Whats the problem with whaling?

[MachZer0]

Legal and laudable are two very different things. Those who seek legal loopholes are seldom laudable.

Legal is legal and laudable is apparently subjective. From my perspective, the same could be said of liberalism, legal and laudable are two different things

 

[kermit]

Legal is legal and laudable is apparently subjective. From my perspective, the same could be said of liberalism, legal and laudable are two different things

Not at all subjective; legal loopholes deals heavily in ethics. Seeking a legal loophole to violate the intent of a law is unethical (link).

The exception for research on whaling was intended to be a way for researchers to kill the occational animal in the name of legitimate research. To create a junk research organization as a front to a whaling industry is not a reasonable interpretation of that exception.

 

[Skaloop]

Not at all subjective; legal loopholes deals heavily in ethics. Seeking a legal loophole to violate the intent of a law is unethical (link).

The exception for research on whaling was intended to be a way for researchers to kill the occational animal in the name of legitimate research. To create a junk research organization as a front to a whaling industry is not a reasonable interpretation of that exception.

People on both sides of legal issues such as this tend to flip-flop between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. So someone who supports whaling will go with the letter of the law, but if that same person supports, say, gun-ownership rights*, they'll go with the spirit of the law.

I'm probably guilty of it, too, but I do try to go by the spirit of the law when dealing with these things. And killing hundreds of whales annually under the auspices of scientific research, while legal according to the letter of the law, violates the spirit of the Convention that Japan signed onto.

 

[AkiraYamato]

Not at all subjective; legal loopholes deals heavily in ethics. Seeking a legal loophole to violate the intent of a law is unethical (link).

The exception for research on whaling was intended to be a way for researchers to kill the occational animal in the name of legitimate research. To create a junk research organization as a front to a whaling industry is not a reasonable interpretation of that exception.

How else should we research reasonable whaling without whaling? And do you think your country has the right to dictate us what we should eat and what not? Japan has the longest lifespan in the world. We do something right then, right? Maybe we should dictate you what to eat

 

[MachZer0]

Not at all subjective; legal loopholes deals heavily in ethics. Seeking a legal loophole to violate the intent of a law is unethical (link).

The exception for research on whaling was intended to be a way for researchers to kill the occational animal in the name of legitimate research. To create a junk research organization as a front to a whaling industry is not a reasonable interpretation of that exception.

Your explanation of the intent of the treaty is subjective as well

 

[kermit]

How else should we research reasonable whaling without whaling?

The ICR is widely criticized for using lethal means to collect data that can be collected non-lethally.

And do you think your country has the right to dictate us what we should eat and what not?

Do you expect us to respect you for seeking legal loopholes to violate your treaties?

Japan has the longest lifespan in the world. We do something right then, right? Maybe we should dictate you what to eat

I thought that whale meat wasn't popular, but now it's the reason you have a longer lifespan. Which is it?

 

[AkiraYamato]

We violate no treaties. Its completly legal. Why do you say its illegal since thats a lie.

 

[kermit]

We violate no treaties. Its completly legal. Why do you say its illegal since thats a lie.

You signed an anti-whaling treaty yet are still whaling.

Do you think finding legal loopholes in treaties a good way for your nation to build and maintain relationships with other nations?

 

[AkiraYamato]

You signed an anti-whaling treaty yet are still whaling.

Do you think finding legal loopholes in treaties a good way for your nation to build and maintain relationships with other nations?

yes it is. Thats the key of sucess.

 

[kermit]

Japan uses the whale meat as food. Just like you use cows.

I thought that whale meat was unpopular.

 

[Vylo]

I thought that whale meat was unpopular.

Also I don't remember many species of cow being hunted to the brink of extinction.

You could try and count buffalo, but that was literally a slaughter to starve indians, and we have since started bringing them back in both the wild and farm them for food.

As long as quotas are used to keep the populations stable, I don't see anything wrong with it. We do the same to fishing here to rebuild populations we nearly decimated.

EDIT: also, don't compare whaling to beef farming, it just looks silly. Compare it to commercial fishing, which we do, and is pretty much what whaling is.

 

[QuiltAngel]

Nice work Merope, Skaloop and kermit. If you have been following young Akira's threads, you would know that he already has strong negative feelings towards the US and Christianity. You would also know that some of us have been communicating with him on his threads to show him that what he has seen of the US is not the way the many of us act or live. Nothing like showing him that he has been right all along.

 

[AkiraYamato]

Yes whale emat is not so popular, yet it has its fans in japan who demand it. Its an economy factor and something we simply want on the table. Beside that, why should we change our food? Because obese americans demand it? lol

 

[Skaloop]

Japan is home of one race. Japan is not a multicultural nation. Again you are wrong. So it is racist.

Perhaps there's something lost in the translation, but that Japan has citizens of various races is undeniable fact.

 

[AkiraYamato]

Perhaps there's something lost in the translation, but that Japan has citizens of various races is undeniable fact.

less than 1% are another race than japanese. Beside that, its almost impossible to get the japanese citizenship. Even some Koreans who live in japan in 4th generation, were born here and grow up here do not get our citizenship. Its imposisble for foreigners to become part of our society. You can be a visitor, a tolerated guest. But never a true japanese. If you would know Japan you would know that.

 

[kermit]

Nice work Merope, Skaloop and kermit. If you have been following young Akira's threads, you would know that he already has strong negative feelings towards the US and Christianity. You would also know that some of us have been communicating with him on his threads to show him that what he has seen of the US is not the way the many of us act or live. Nothing like showing him that he has been right all along.

I've participated in his very first thread on this forum. If anything his negative feelings towards the US and Christianity have gotten far, far, far, far, far, far, far worse with time.

You might be wiling to kowtow to his extreme xenophobia, but I am not. His nation, while laudable on many thing, also has a history of racism, genocide as well other negative things. All nations have done bad things and I don't criticize Japan any harsher than any other nation, but at the same time I refuse to sit idly by and let someone falsely claim that their nation is without fault and that anyone who says otherwise is racist who is attacking Japanese culture.

 

[AkiraYamato]

I've participated in his very first thread on this forum. If anything his negative feelings towards the US and Christianity have gotten far, far, far, far, far, far, far worse with time.

You might be wiling to kowtow to his extreme xenophobia, but I am not. His nation, while laudable on many thing, also has a history of racism, genocide as well other negative things. All nations have done bad things and I don't criticize Japan any harsher than any other nation, but at the same time I refuse to sit idly by and let someone falsely claim that their nation is without fault and that anyone who says otherwise is racist who is attacking Japanese culture.

I´m not chinese, no need for "kowtow".

 

[Skaloop]

less than 1% are another race than japanese.

Less than 1% is enough.

Beside that, its almost impossible to get the japanese citizenship.

Almost impossible. But it does happen. Also, which country one is a citizen of is not the determining factor of their race.

Even some Koreans who live in japan in 4th generation, were born here and grow up here do not get our citizenship. Its imposisble for foreigners to become part of our society. You can be a visitor, a tolerated guest. But never a true japanese. If you would know Japan you would know that.

Someone of any race who is born in Japan to parents who are stateless is considered a Japanese national.

Furthermore, there are Japanese people living in places that are not Japan (there are even some in China), which further shows that being Japanese is not a race (if it were, people would cease being Japanese as soon as they left its borders).

Finally, one cannot change one's race. One can change citizenship or country of residence.

And look, even if you want to consider Japanese to be a specific race distinct from all other nations, it is unlikely that the person mixing up the Chinese and Japanese uses for whale was working under that definition, and therefore no racism was intended

 

[kermit]

I´m not chinese, no need for "kowtow".

In English "kowtow" generally means to give into.

But that you even picked up on that (I didn't know until I just checked that the word has Chinese origins) demonstrates that you are looking for a reason to label criticism as racism.

 

[AkiraYamato]

Less than 1% is enough.



Almost impossible. But it does happen. Also, which country one is a citizen of is not the determining factor of their race.



Someone of any race who is born in Japan to parents who are stateless is considered a Japanese national.

Furthermore, there are Japanese people living in places that are not Japan (there are even some in China), which further shows that being Japanese is not a race (if it were, people would cease being Japanese as soon as they left its borders).

Finally, one cannot change one's race. One can change citizenship or country of residence.

And look, even if you want to consider Japanese to be a specific race distinct from all other nations, it is unlikely that the person mixing up the Chinese and Japanese uses for whale was working under that definition, and therefore no racism was intended

ha ha i find it intersting how you try to impose your own believes on others. Since we japanese see ourself as a race and completly unique.

We call ourself "Yamato Japanese". Non Yamato people in Japan are lower than 1% and never a real part of our society.