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What's the meaning of 1st Maccabees?

Discussion in 'The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox' started by Not David, May 23, 2020.

  1. Not David

    Not David Der Ewige Katechumene

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    Besides being a revolutionary for God...
     
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  2. AlexDTX

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    1st & 2nd Maccabees are historical documents, canonized by Roman Catholics, but rejected by Protestants. For us protestants it is historical information that helps bridge the gap between Malachi and Matthew.

    If there is any spiritual significance, you will have to wait for one of the Catholics to answer your question.
     
  3. Not David

    Not David Der Ewige Katechumene

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    Why do you reject it though?
     
  4. AlexDTX

    AlexDTX Well-Known Member Supporter

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    First of all, I had nothing to do with the canon of Scriptures. I simply meant that the apocrypha are not included in the Protestant Bible.

    However, I have read both 1st and 2nd Maccabees and many other of the Apocryphal documents. If you are born again and Spirit filled, you can sense the presence of the Holy Spirit when reading his inspired works. Those books lack any sense of the inspiration. Nonetheless, I regard them as still valuable for understanding the thinking of the people in those times.
     
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    Phronema Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The Masoretic Text was used to form the basis of the Protestant Old Testament whereas we use the Septuagint.
     
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  6. Ignatius the Kiwi

    Ignatius the Kiwi Newbie

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    This is a bad criterion for determining what is sacred scripture. Mormons use the same logic with regards to the book of Mormon.
     
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  7. ArmyMatt

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    you realize that you are in the Orthodox subforum on here, and he asked the Orthodox?
     
  8. prodromos

    prodromos Senior Veteran Supporter

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    This thread was posted in the Eastern Orthodox subforum.
     
  9. charsan

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    Indeed it is
     
  10. ArmyMatt

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    indeed, practically every Mormon missionary's (at least those that came to me) great defense was a sense of peace at reading the Book of Mormon and praying.
     
  11. prodromos

    prodromos Senior Veteran Supporter

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    Quick, get this thread back on topic before the Senfield quotes start.
     
  12. charsan

    charsan Charismatic Episcopal Church

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    Not that there's anything wrong with that :)
     
  13. AlexDTX

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    Sensing the Spirit is not logic, but experience. If you try to understand Holy Writ by logic, you are using a bad criteria. Mormons do not have the new birth.

    1Co 2:14 Now the natural man doesn’t receive the things of God’s Spirit, for they are foolishness to him, and he can’t know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
    1Co 2:15 But he who is spiritual discerns all things, and he himself is judged by no one.
     
  14. AlexDTX

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    My mistake. I did not know that Maccabees is in the Orthodox writ as well.

    However, my advice to him still remains. If he wants to understand the spiritual point of view that the Orthodox see in the text, then he will get that answer from them. I merely said it is not in Protestant Bibles, I did not make the canon of the Protestant Bible, but I have read those documents and had no sense of the Holy Spirit in my reading.
     
  15. AlexDTX

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    Yes, another has pointed that out. I said nothing against either Catholic or Orthodox views, only that they are the ones who can explain the spiritual pov in those books.
     
  16. Not David

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    I haven't gotten the Orthodox point of view tho.
     
  17. ArmyMatt

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    no worries.
     
  18. ArmyMatt

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    it's Scripture.
     
  19. DraculKain

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    Emotion can never be what we base the true Faith on. As Jeremiah said, “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately corrupt; who can understand it?”
     
  20. Not David

    Not David Der Ewige Katechumene

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    I mean the Spiritual lesson
     
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