What's The Matter?

[OldWiseGuy]

I very much doubt that or they would not be wasting their time in church on their knees talking to themselves.

They might leave. It's hard to remain in the church with one foot firmly planted in 'the world'.

 

[justlookinla]

There is no such thing as magic or miracles that's why religious people have no answers, they only believe they do,
it's why religions promise a lot but deliver less than nothing, to get less than nothing you detract rather than add.

Is this a Darwinist worldview?

 

[Herman Hedning]

Is this a Darwinist worldview?

No, but a realist one.

 

[Oncedeceived]

No, but a realist one.

Right except that you have to believe that the appearance of design in nature is all an illusion. Free will is an illusion. Fine tuning in the universe is an illusion. But hey, your a realist.

 

[Herman Hedning]

Right except that you have to believe that the appearance of design in nature is all an illusion. Free will is an illusion. Fine tuning in the universe is an illusion. But hey, your a realist.

Yup.

 

[DogmaHunter]

There will be a massive shock wave around the earth when scientists finally realize that matter and energy is composed of......spirit, and all their heads explode at once. (Figuratively that is...literally would be rather messy.)

Before that can occur, you'ld have to demonstrate that there is such a thing as "spirit" in reality.

 

[DogmaHunter]

What is magic?

Magic is what makes it possible for events or actions to violate and / or suspend natural laws.

The impossible, happening anyway - eventhough it's impossible.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Natural selection is 'magic'.

How is the idea that if A and B both contract a virus while only A is immune to it, that A will spread his genes (with the immunity) to the next generation while B will die, "magic"?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Right except that you have to believe that the appearance of design in nature is all an illusion. Free will is an illusion. Fine tuning in the universe is an illusion. But hey, your a realist.

We need to "believe" nothing of the sort.

 

[justlookinla]

No, but a realist one.

Darwinism isn't reality.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

How is the idea that if A and B both contract a virus while only A is immune to it, that A will spread his genes (with the immunity) to the next generation while B will die, "magic"?

I just sprayed weed killer on my lawn, but a surprise rainstorm washed it off within a couple of hours. The weeds showed the characteristic 'leaf curling' but none died. I'll have to spray again. If evolution is true they should have developed immunity by now and will survive the next spraying. I'll let you know.

 

[Loudmouth]

Right except that you have to believe that the appearance of design in nature is all an illusion.

We only have to recognize that it is an appearance of design. Period. Appearances are subjective opinions. What you need is empirical evidence, which you still can not produce.

 

[justlookinla]

We only have to recognize that it is an appearance of design. Period. Appearances are subjective opinions. What you need is empirical evidence, which you still can not produce.

What is your definition of design in the 'appearance of design'?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

We only have to recognize that it is an appearance of design. Period. Appearances are subjective opinions. What you need is empirical evidence, which you still can not produce.

So if it looks, walks, and quacks like a duck it's not necessarily a duck?

 

[Loudmouth]

So if it looks, walks, and quacks like a duck it's not necessarily a duck?

You don't have a walk or a quack with the appearance of design, much less DNA comparisons. All you have is "it kinda looks like it is designed". That's it.

 

[Oncedeceived]

We need to "believe" nothing of the sort.

Ok. Explain?

 

[Oncedeceived]

We only have to recognize that it is an appearance of design. Period. Appearances are subjective opinions. What you need is empirical evidence, which you still can not produce.

How can something be subjective when it is objectively present in life forms?

 

[Skaloop]

How can something be subjective when it is objectively present in life forms?

Because design is not objectively present in life forms (or many other things). It's subjectively present in life forms (or many other things).

Is this a product of design?

Is this a product of design?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Because design is not objectively present in life forms. It's subjectively present in life forms.

What evidence do you cite that shows it is subjectively seen in life forms?

 

[bhsmte]

They might leave. It's hard to remain in the church with one foot firmly planted in 'the world'.

Would this mean you believe one must ignore the reality of the real world to remain in church?