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vajradhara

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Namaste czach,

thank you for the post.

So basically one should combine the dualities as one whole and therefore not segregae the two opposites?

that second quoted statement was not mine... the Buddhist philosophical view is called the Middle Way, the way between all opposite extremes. in our practice, there is a thing called the Four Fold Negation which we use as a logic tool to arrive at conceptual views which are, ultimately, biased. we continue with these tools until we are able to have "no views" at all :)

These sages were given a revelation about the Buddha before his birth.

perhaps it is the terminology. "revelation" has some specific connotations in English which are not apropos for this discussion.

In addition, buddha's mother had a dream where she saw an elephant symbolizing her born to be son. My question is where did these revelations come from. If it did not come from a deity, then fine. If it came about because of some spiritual force or second or third spiritual powers, then where did these forces or powers come from?

i really don't understand the question. your question is assuming that there is a "source" or beginning to things, sort of like Paul Tillichs' Ground of Being. Buddhism doesn't have this conception.

dreams come from subconscious mental states being subjectively experienced and have more to do with ones surroundings and experiences more than anything else.

let me make sure that i am clear, here. the Buddha Dharma does not teach that deities are non-existant. we teach that deities do exist. what we don't teach, however, is that there is a Creator Deity. oh sure, some deities think that they are the Creator but they, too, are subject to karma and will take rebirth which is, ultimately, why Buddhism doesn't contain any sort of deity worship.. there simply isn't any value or point to it since they cannot help one with the religious life.

So is this a bad thing? If it is how should we eliminate this?

it's not a 'bad' thing, it is a conditioned and habituated thing. there are several methods to use to still the discursive intellect, we typically recommend breathing meditation.

Can you elaborate on the second turning of the wheel?

the Second Turning of the Wheel corresponds to the Prajaparamita Suttas, the Perfection of Wisdom Suttas and contain many of the teachings on Emptiness. by and large, this is where the Mahayana schools draw their influence from.

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Can you then elaborate a little more on the Buddha eye.
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a Buddha eye is attained after one has been able to enter the Jhanas, or higher mental states which are available through meditation. it is through this eye that a Buddha can see others thoughts and know precisely what needs to be said to best help them on their spiritual journey.

metta,

~v
 
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