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This is a strange phenomenon I have witnessed with a couple of ladies. They are super photogenic, They are told they are very attractive and they look like a super model by fellow Christians many times and they don't believe it, but someone in the past (most likely out of jealousy) tells them they're ugly and that they will believe. *Sigh* I just don't get it.

People are always their own worst critics, and it's just human nature to tend to remember the bad over the good. I don't mean this in a mean way at all, but the same could be said of you, Moe. I have never seen anyone say a bad word about you here except for you and I have kind of felt similarly to what you described. I wish you'd see the good in you that other people see.

The problem is usually rude people are the honest ones. They have nothing to gain in being rude. Kind people usually want to make others happy, so when people are kind I register that it is about them being a good person and trying to make a positive impact, not about what they say being true.

Probably still screwed up, but that's where I come from.

Also, I was cute when I was a tiny kid (because tiny kids are cute) but then I got to be 5'9 in 6th grade, chubby on steroids, covered in acne and stretch marks and miserable. Those aren't the pics I share :p

Okay, so I know I tend to be argumentative at times, but I promise I'm not just arguing for its own sake. I don't think rude people are the honest ones. Putting someone down can give a person a false sense of pride or superiority, or it can allow them to take out their anger and frustration on another person.
Until I knew the motive, I would not validate a comment like that. Some people are brutally honest, but most are just looking for a way to cut you down, and everyone knows an insult to a woman's appearance will be a shot to the groin so to speak. And if we are talking about someone straight up telling another that they are ugly, there is no context in which that is being done in love, and I could never validate that.
By the way, I hope you share those pics someday because acne or not, stretch marks or not, chubby or not, there is a lot more to you than physical appearance, it is not what your worth is based on in any way, shape, or form, and those are things that most people deal with who I'm sure you would never label as being ugly.
This is coming from someone who was, like you said, cute as a little kid and then became chubby. I got called fat, "jelly belly," etc. by kids at church and at school. I would stay with my grandparents on occasion, and they had this amazing tradition of praying over their entire extended family (11 kids, 40+ grandkids, etc.) in the morning after breakfast, and as well-meaning as they were they would pray that myself and people in my family would lose weight. So I grew up with a deep-rooted lie that because I am not "skinny" I am a second-class human being. And I won't lie, I still deal with major weight issues and feel self-conscious when I am out in public, but hating myself is going to get me nowhere. Self-hatred in all of its forms is enslaving because it is embracing lies and rejecting the truth about yourself. It is so contrary to what the Bible teaches and so based upon the shifting sands of human opinion because you could ask 100 different people about what they truly think of your appearance, and you will get a variety of answers. The most attractive thing that you can do is love and embrace yourself and root your identity where it truly belongs--as a creation and a child of God who has impassable worth because you were created by Him. And from there you have the freedom to acknowledge your physical flaws not as part of your identity but as things that you can either choose to leave alone or change. For me, I am concerned with my physical health over and above being attractive to someone, so I acknowledge that there are areas of my physical body that I can improve, but I do my best not to attach that to my identity because that has never been God's intended foundation for the roots of our identity.
 
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People are always their own worst critics, and it's just human nature to tend to remember the bad over the good. I don't mean this in a mean way at all, but the same could be said of you, Moe. I have never seen anyone say a bad word about you here except for you and I have kind of felt similarly to what you described. I wish you'd see the good in you that other people see.



Okay, so I know I tend to be argumentative at times, but I promise I'm not just arguing for its own sake. I don't think rude people are the honest ones. Putting someone down can give a person a false sense of pride or superiority, or it can allow them to take out their anger and frustration on another person.
Until I knew the motive, I would not validate a comment like that. Some people are brutally honest, but most are just looking for a way to cut you down, and everyone knows an insult to a woman's appearance will be a shot to the groin so to speak. And if we are talking about someone straight up telling another that they are ugly, there is no context in which that is being done in love, and I could never validate that.
By the way, I hope you share those pics someday because acne or not, stretch marks or not, chubby or not, there is a lot more to you than physical appearance, it is not what your worth is based on in any way, shape, or form, and those are things that most people deal with who I'm sure you would never label as being ugly.
This is coming from someone who was, like you said, cute as a little kid and then became chubby. I got called fat, "jelly belly," etc. by kids at church and at school. I would stay with my grandparents on occasion, and they had this amazing tradition of praying over their entire extended family (11 kids, 40+ grandkids, etc.) in the morning after breakfast, and as well-meaning as they were they would pray that myself and people in my family would lose weight. So I grew up with a deep-rooted lie that because I am not "skinny" I am a second-class human being. And I won't lie, I still deal with major weight issues and feel self-conscious when I am out in public, but hating myself is going to get me nowhere. Self-hatred in all of its forms is enslaving because it is embracing lies and rejecting the truth about yourself. It is so contrary to what the Bible teaches and so based upon the shifting sands of human opinion because you could ask 100 different people about what they truly think of your appearance, and you will get a variety of answers. The most attractive thing that you can do is love and embrace yourself and root your identity where it truly belongs--as a creation and a child of God who has impassable worth because you were created by Him. And from there you have the freedom to acknowledge your physical flaws not as part of your identity but as things that you can either choose to leave alone or change. For me, I am concerned with my physical health over and above being attractive to someone, so I acknowledge that there are areas of my physical body that I can improve, but I do my best not to attach that to my identity because that has never been God's intended foundation for the roots of our identity.
Yeah, I get you. Similar story here where I had this gorgeous skinny sister and my family, though being well meant,was always hurtful about "Ami can have the slice of cake, but maybe you should have these carrots instead?" Kind of things. I think when you grow up your whole life being told those things it is pretty hard to not keep that as your identity.

But you're right, we are more than our appearances... So I just gotta work on liking my personality now ;)
 
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but someone in the past (most likely out of jealousy) tells them they're ugly and that they will believe. *Sigh* I just don't get it.

Well, I guess it's true what I have always heard from psychologists. That the human mind tends to latch onto or remember only the memories or situations that are negative. Something like that. But still, Tracie is a good lady, and I hope her future husband does not fail to make her feel as such every remaining day of their lives together. :angel:
 
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Yeah, I get you. Similar story here where I had this gorgeous skinny sister and my family, though being well meant,was always hurtful about "Ami can have the slice of cake, but maybe you should have these carrots instead?" Kind of things. I think when you grow up your whole life being told those things it is pretty hard to not keep that as your identity.

But you're right, we are more than our appearances... So I just gotta work on liking my personality now ;)

Gotta work on loving whatever you tend to hate, Traci :)
 
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You're cute Peachykeen. You have a pretty neotenous face.. and that's something men are hardwired to really like.

I mean you might not have everything someone looks for in say a supermodel but that's the vast majority of the human population. Sure those people who criticize your looks have plenty that you can criticize back. Looks are pretty fleeting too. Even those super models will spend the vast majority of their lives looking sub-par (unless they die young or something..). Beauty is an extremely fragile and vanishing thing.
 
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Cool that they're making another Terminator film.. going to be taking places after T2.. the others don't exist.. whatever.. although wonder who they're gonna do it.. saw the deleted scene for T2.. and was surprised Cameron was actually going to end it.. part of me wishes he did. T2 was a rare superior sequel and I don't think it's getting much better than that.
 
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Was continuing my Let's Read series on YouTube of the James Howe Bunnicula books jut now.

... Whew. Just two chapters tonight and it feels like hard work. My throat is a bit parched from reading all this out loud. Of course, the two glasses of Takara plum wine I had imbibed just two hours earlier probably did not help to keep my vocal chords properly hydrated. ^_^
 
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Sorry y'all, your responses were very kind but it made me realize I probably come off as fishing when I do dumb stuff like that. I really am ok and do not want to fish further.. So I'll say thank you for your words and then let this be dropped.
 
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These newbies and regulars who call off so much need to be dealt with... I don't mind the OverTime but this is getting ridiculous...
 
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He has repeatedly denied the existence and relevance of God so...
Yeah, this makes me sad. He seemed so sure he had all the answers, with his ego he blocked himself from finding the truth. Who knows what happened in his last moments, but the prospect of him expiring without hope is really heartbreaking.
 
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He has repeatedly denied the existence and relevance of God so...
Yeah.. he was unusally vocal about that. Even some of his atheist friends were like "dude.. cool it down with the anti-God talk."
 
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Sad though.. spent the last few days with interest reading this thoughts about what happened before the Big Bang.. even though much of what he was saying was hard to grasp.. just goes to show he was relevant right until the end.. really thought he would be one of those guys to easily reach his 100s.
 
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