What's acceptable and not acceptable...

[Cassidy]

Hey Cass, haven't read the answers, but, I believe that such action should be done discreetly, and not just drop them out in public and say: "here you are and I couldn't care less!"

Well all the mums that I know are as discreet as they can be, and if someone doesn't like it, it's THEN that we don't care less.

Some people do get offended, and after all the media and the new age people have much to answer for in regards to desensitising the public.

Here's were you lost me....I don't give a hoot WHO has desensilised anything. I'm glad they've desensilised breastfeeding because us mums are actually being treated like humans being now...merely doing something that is neither sexual nor explicit and that is ...feeding our baby, which is what God intended.

Thirty years ago you wouldn't do that, but in private, and not publicly. So, "Good Manners" should be considered with some commonsense.

Well thirty years ago men were still bashing their wives in private, molestation was considered hush hush and we dare not speak about rape because we just don't speak of these things. But today is a brand new day, Elijah, and while I agree that some things of the sexual nature have gotten out of control, I do see how some things have improved, especially for women.....and breastfeeding where one needs to, is one of them. It's not disgusting or rude...it's natural! Let's face it,,,in the late 1800's women weren't allowed to be seen while pregnant and had to go into confinment during that time.....how much has changed...and I'm all for it!

After all in my days, I was taught the 8 golden rules of "Good Manners" at school that was based upon the "Rules of Childrens' National Guild of Courtesy" and sadly they were phased out by the "flower people" mentality of schools of the 1970's and now that is the reason why we have so much dissension in schools today and within the family unit. They had no real social rules to live by

I have no idea what this has to do with feeding a baby. But I agree with you for the most part here....nothing wrong with good manner, however I don't think it bad manners to feed a baby any more than it being bad manners to feed yourself.

 

[Cassidy]

Cassidy,

Feed your baby when you have to. Breasts were created for the purpose of nursing. BUT, They have been made into some sexual objects now and totally perverted.

Yup! And here's the problem I have...have a look at the primitive tribes of Africa....do you see them covering up? Do you see men ogling at their breasts? Are their breasts sexual in any way...nope...they are just another part of the body, like a knee or an elbow that is used for a purpose...nourishing a baby. It is our society who has made it into something perverted...and our mothers and babies are paying for it.

If you were walking around showing them for the heck of it, there would be no problems. The men would all pause for the 'tease show'... ( Not to mention if you were offering them up to them, but the baby can not use them for his nourishment, because that is offensive.. )

ROFL!!! I like how you think

Like the saying is these days, "IF you got it, flaunt it"....Help us Jesus...

It goes to show you how evil is good and good is evil these days.

Come, LORD JESUS!..

Makes ya mad don't it???

 

[KleinerApfel]

Cassidy, I'm right with you sister.

Breastfeeding is still the healthiest for babies, and the good effects last a lifetime, providing much protection against heart disease, obesity, allergy, diabetes.

It also fosters the close emotional bond between infant and mother that is essential to emotional wellbeing and even to some extent to intellectual development.

It is an outrage that women in some "civilised" cultures are restricted in any way from doing this wonderful thing for their children, based on ridiculous arguments about embarrassment or propriety.

As someone already mentioned, we see all around us daily an assortment of scantily clad girls - in extremely low-cut tops, or bra-less under tee shirts wobbling about and showing nipples through thin fabric, along with super-short skirts that show knickers when they bend even a little, and even "bum cleavage" where their jeans don't cover their posterior.

NOBODY is campaigning to cover those up, are they?

A mother feeding her child should not be told to cover its poor little face with a stifling blanket, and in fact many babies would be unable to feed due to distress if that was done, and nobody wants to eat food in the ladies' loo. Do you know how many germs lurk in the air close to where lavatories are flushed and air-blowing hand dryers are used

Breastfeeding is natural, healthy and in sensible cultures socially acceptable and even encouraged.
I don't recall ever seeing anyone over-exposing herself while feeding.
If anyone doesn't like it they should avert their eyes or leave the room, (and maybe get some therapy!!!)

It does seem to be getting worse for Mums. I never had a second thought when feeding my baby 18 years ago, but soon afterwards this seemed to begin to be an issue. Children are simply not celebrated and catered for in a positive, healthy way in Britain, and probably America from what I'm seeing. Cassidy, is it a little better in Australia? I think of your country as the "Great Outdoors" of freedom, sport and outdoor living, good health, and family life.

 

[Cassidy]

Yes we have laws that prohibit any discrimination against breastfeeding in public places. No one, by law, has the right to tell any women to 'cover up' or 'feed elsewhere'. Those who do are exposed in the media, there's usually an uproar then you get truckloads of breastfeeding mothers swamp the very place that discriminated and breastfeed LOL Seen that happen before. But generally, breastfeeding is beginning to be seen as normal, and the more that women do it...the better it becomes.

My questions were mainly about those Christians who have issues like this. I wish to challenge the way they think and possibly encourage them to examine their own views and where they come from.

 

[Cassidy]

Just thought I'd put this ad in...it's really good....

YouTube - Australian Breastfeeding Association advert

 

[SharonL]

I am from the old school where it was not even considered - mothers gave up a lot for their young children in the early years. Privacy was important then and it was a special time of bonding between you and the baby to make eye contact, rub their hair, talk to them - it is their special time of bonding.

 

[KleinerApfel]

Certainly puts it into perspetive!
Hope the rest of the world follows Australia's lead on this issue. I'm sure even Christians with concerns would eventually realise it's not that scary if they were forced to accept it!

 

[Tink]

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[Tobias]

Lol. This thread is hilarious!

I personally don't see anything sexual about breastfeeding. It's completely natural, and what the things were made for in the first place! I think it's a crime to NOT feed your kids properly, just because society has turned the food source into something taboo.

That said, it does make me just a little bit uncomfortable to be talking to someone while they are breastfeeding openly. I'm not sure how comfortable the mother is with the process, and I want to give her the privacy she deserves. There's always a little tension that exists there. I try to keep my eyes up and away from the activity.

 

[Tink]

Sorry I don't think that scripture means that a women can't feed her child, I think it's talking about clean and unclean food...like cloven and uncloven, pork etc etc...not whether or not a baby is free to eat the optimal food that God created for it.

A stumbling block is a stumbling block.

:shrug:

I was simply answering your question. You didn't have to be rude when your replied to my opinion. Anyhow...

 

[Elijah2]

Well all the mums that I know are as discreet as they can be, and if someone doesn't like it, it's THEN that we don't care less.



Here's were you lost me....I don't give a hoot WHO has desensilised anything. I'm glad they've desensilised breastfeeding because us mums are actually being treated like humans being now...merely doing something that is neither sexual nor explicit and that is ...feeding our baby, which is what God intended.



Well thirty years ago men were still bashing their wives in private, molestation was considered hush hush and we dare not speak about rape because we just don't speak of these things. But today is a brand new day, Elijah, and while I agree that some things of the sexual nature have gotten out of control, I do see how some things have improved, especially for women.....and breastfeeding where one needs to, is one of them. It's not disgusting or rude...it's natural! Let's face it,,,in the late 1800's women weren't allowed to be seen while pregnant and had to go into confinment during that time.....how much has changed...and I'm all for it!



I have no idea what this has to do with feeding a baby. But I agree with you for the most part here....nothing wrong with good manner, however I don't think it bad manners to feed a baby any more than it being bad manners to feed yourself.

Whole point I was making is that the whole world has been desensitised to such an extent that good old commonsense is thrown out the door. And as soon as anybody is challenged on anything that needs discretion and manners, they then turn the challenge into negative situation and a "wow is me" attitude.

Bashing wives has nothing do with breast-feeding, because husbands are still bashing wives, and most like more than they did thirty years ago.

Violence has skyrocketed, rape has skyrocketed, and sin has skyrockets in the last thirty years.

Fifty years ago, you would be hanged for rape in Australia. And one such person was hung not far from where you live. Now rapists get out of jail free for $200.

As I said if the golden rules where still in the schools we wouldn't be having all these unfortunate problems of aggression, dissension, lawlessness and minors making major decisions in their lives.

Just be discrete, and use some commonsense, and there shouldn't be any problem, should there?

Blessings.

 

[ANM29]

Yup! And here's the problem I have...have a look at the primitive tribes of Africa....do you see them covering up? Do you see men ogling at their breasts? Are their breasts sexual in any way...nope...they are just another part of the body, like a knee or an elbow that is used for a purpose...nourishing a baby. It is our society who has made it into something perverted...and our mothers and babies are paying for it.

No, you sure don't..Just another part of the body. Why is that they are so 'wonderful' to men outside of certain areas of the world. Only because they have made them sexual. Just pure perversion of everything God intended for something else. I swear, Come Lord and Come soon.I honestly don't know how much more this world can go on the way it is...I really don't..

ROFL!!! I like how you think

lol! You know it!.....It is all good for them though...

Makes ya mad don't it???

Ticks me off........

 

[Lotuspetal_uk]

I had a friend who made something that went over her head that would cover exposed areas & the baby completely so nothing could be seen. Below are some nursing covers that I found online:

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These are really cute! Just wished they had been around 6 years ago

I nursed HRH and when she was 3 months old we travelled by plane to see the family. I used a baby blanket in public and never felt the need to be relegated in the loos whenever she was hungry. For most of the time I do recall timing any short visits between feeds but even if I had bottle fed, I'd have done the same thing due to not wanting to carry all the feeds around with me.

I felt no shame with doing that in public and I received no disapproving glances, I guess due to the fact that the only thing anyone saw was one contented well fed baby.

 

[ANM29]

That truly looks like they are smothering the babies, but then again, I don't have any kids..

Why can't a woman just feed her child without all of that....Only in 'developed' countries is this a issue.....

God knows best, I guess it is not meant for me to have kids...I would defy anybody who told me I could not breastfeed my child how I wanted to.

 

[Lotuspetal_uk]

That truly looks like they are smothering the babies, but then again, I don't have any kids..

Why can't a woman just feed her child without all of that....Only in 'developed' countries is this a issue.....

God knows best, I guess it is not meant for me to have kids...I would defy anybody who told me I could not breastfeed my child how I wanted to.

Hey ANM

With HRH, she got a lot of comfort watching just me so with such a shawl, the child could still see their mother.

I agree though - it's a real shame that due to the negative portrayal of women in the West, we've developed a culture where a percentage of people do get uncomfortable with such a bonding act.

However with the reality of our society, I took the easier route of either not making another person stumble or else me not throwing a one armed Tyson hook at a "perv" with my baby still latched on.

 

[ANM29]

Hey ANM

With HRH, she got a lot of comfort watching just me so with such a shawl, the child could still see their mother.

I agree though - it's a real shame that due to the negative portrayal of women in the West, we've developed a culture where a percentage of people do get uncomfortable with such a bonding act.

However with the reality of our society, I took the easier route of either not making another person stumble or else me not throwing a one armed Tyson hook at a "perv" with my baby still latched on.

You have a point, maybe it is best to cover up because of the pervs....I would probably throw something at them, or that one armed Tyson hook like you said.... I know me....( unless I am walking in the Spirit that day )

 

[Cassidy]

A stumbling block is a stumbling block.

:shrug:

But we need to quote scriptures that have something to do with what we are talking about. That scripture is specifically about clean and unclean foods, they were still learning to let that law go and some were still finding it difficult...thus why forcing one to let it go by eating what was unclean in front of them would be considered a stumbling block.

But if we're going to talk about stumbling blocks...we need to make sure it goes both ways.

I was simply answering your question. You didn't have to be rude when your replied to my opinion. Anyhow...

I'm sorry if you thought I was being rude...I so wasn't. Was it the wink at the end that made you think that way? 'cos I do that to lighten the mood rather than being 'rude'. So sorry if you misunderstood...all is good

 

[Cassidy]

Whole point I was making is that the whole world has been desensitised to such an extent that good old commonsense is thrown out the door. And as soon as anybody is challenged on anything that needs discretion and manners, they then turn the challenge into negative situation and a "wow is me" attitude.

Bashing wives has nothing do with breast-feeding, because husbands are still bashing wives, and most like more than they did thirty years ago.

Violence has skyrocketed, rape has skyrocketed, and sin has skyrockets in the last thirty years.

Fifty years ago, you would be hanged for rape in Australia. And one such person was hung not far from where you live. Now rapists get out of jail free for $200.

As I said if the golden rules where still in the schools we wouldn't be having all these unfortunate problems of aggression, dissension, lawlessness and minors making major decisions in their lives.

Just be discrete, and use some commonsense, and there shouldn't be any problem, should there?

Blessings.

You'd like to think that wouldn't you but nope! NO matter how much commonsense we use there are still morons out there with no common sense at all and would still complain. Seems commonsense goes one way.

 

[Redheadedstepchild]

Did you know that US law protects public breastfeeding on federal property? Yep. Many states have laws on the books too.

Those cover up things are great to point (that being when the infant tries to play peekaboo with them - after that, not so great! ).

 

[Cassidy]

You have a point, maybe it is best to cover up because of the pervs....I would probably throw something at them, or that one armed Tyson hook like you said.... I know me....( unless I am walking in the Spirit that day )

I've never had any issues with pervs thankfully....If anyone did look...I didn't notice...nor did I care.

Here's a shocker though....even if I did find a mother's room somewhere...mother's rooms are no longer mother's rooms...they are parent rooms. So even if you did feel uncomfortable feeding in front of men....well you'll just have to get over it and change your views I guess.