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That happens when people cannot defend their assertions on the merits so they fling accusations wildly.
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That happens when people cannot defend their assertions on the merits so they fling accusations wildly..
At what point in this thread did it become the
"Racist Views Against Blacks Thread?
I agree with you. There are crazies on both sides. I think doxxing should be a criminal offense. I received a postcard in the mail last week about this. Abortion is wrong, but so is publishing some doctor's address in hopes that he will be attacked.
Nut jobs.
So many parallels exist between what's happening in the gay-rights movement and what occurred in previous civil-rights movements. The same angry and emotional arguments being made against homosexuals who want the right to marry were made against blacks who wanted to attend the same schools, eat in the same restaurants, hold the same kinds of jobs and live in the same neighborhoods as whites, and against women who wanted to vote, serve on juries, attend medical school, and be hired for the same jobs as men: "It's not natural. It will upset the social order, and destroy our way of life. It's against religious teachings."
Sheryl McCarthey
Can't you see how saying that homosexuality is wrong is not "labeling someone a pervert". The activity is proscribed in scripture and it is perfectly acceptable to say and believe that because God said it.Well, can't you see how labeling somebody a pervert enables the same sort of extremism?
By sharp contrast, homosexuality is both a behavior and a choice.
As defined by scripture in both Old Testament and New. The Holy Bible is still the definitive outline for Christians, what is acceptable or not. Homosexuality is unequivocally proscribed throughout Biblical History.As defined by whom? And whose Bible interpretation? And what business does the government have in enforcing a religious prohibition that most Americans do not share anymore?
As defined by scripture in both Old Testament and New. The Holy Bible is still the definitive outline for Christians, what is acceptable or not. Homosexuality is unequivocally proscribed throughout Biblical History.
What do you mean? Homosexuals - unlike the rest of us - are programmed to have sex and have no control over it? If they do have control over it, it's a choice. The same control I have over whether to let my mind wander to that other person over there and entertain that activity instead of doing the right thing.There is no scientific evidence to support that. Beyond that, why would anyone actually choose to expose themselves to the hatred and abuse that goes along with that "choice". I regard racism and homophobia both as treating a person as an inferior and sometimes even as subhuman.
Can't you see how saying that homosexuality is wrong is not "labeling someone a pervert". The activity is proscribed in scripture and it is perfectly acceptable to say and believe that because God said it.
Really? You don't know where it comes from but you say you are Lutheran, so presumably a Christian believer? Have you read the Bible? You really can't get to the pro-gay position from scripture.I can't even fathom where "homosexuality is wrong" would come from in this modern day and age. It's part of a worldview that is alien to me.
What do you mean? Homosexuals - unlike the rest of us - are programmed to have sex and have no control over it? If they do have control over it, it's a choice. The same control I have over whether to let my mind wander to that other person over there and entertain that activity instead of doing the right thing.
I do not acknowledge the presently used inaccuracy of the made-up word "Homophobia".
NO ONE fears homosexuals. Therefore the word is inaccurate.
That said, the scriptures say that activity is outside the realm of acceptability for God's people and this is confirmed throughout scripture.
They have no choice on being a homosexual. They do have a choice on how they act on that. Heterosexuals like you and I are free to court and marry without fear of social condemnation or physical threats. There is an innate social inequity in that.
All words are made up. For example, the first ever recorded use of the word "homosexual" was sometime in 1890-1895.
On the contrary there are a great many people that actually are terribly fearful of homosexuals. The word is quite accurate.
Yes, that is the scriptural understanding. Sometimes it is possible to come to new understandings.
We all have a choice in what we do. For Freedom, Christ has set us free; do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. We don't have to be bound by temptations that come against us, whether to sexual behavior outside of marriage, to being an alcoholic, to being a drug addict, or inappropriate content addict, or a cutter, or anything else.
We can be free. That was the message of Jesus, who came to break the chains and set the captives free.Thank the Lord! We have all needed to be set free of something.
We can never intentionally and remorselessly leave the confines of the expressed will of God and still be in good standing.
Really? You don't know where it comes from but you say you are Lutheran, so presumably a Christian believer? Have you read the Bible? You really can't get to the pro-gay position from scripture.
Romans 1 alone settles it.
But if that isn't enough, there is plenty more.
Jude 1:7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
You simply cannot rationally argue that the Holy Bible is not (supposed to be) a moral guideline for the believer or that it does not condemn homosexuality. Because both are just the truth.
Even the Lutherans, though large number have capitulated to this recent concept that homosexuality is acceptable, are split. The Missouri Synod (and some other smaller groups) adhere to biblical proscriptions. You did not know this?
We all have a choice in what we do. For Freedom, Christ has set us free; do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. We don't have to be bound by temptations that come against us, whether to sexual behavior outside of marriage, to being an alcoholic, to being a drug addict, or inappropriate content addict, or a cutter, or anything else.
We can be free. That was the message of Jesus, who came to break the chains and set the captives free.
At the last Judgment Christ will say to us, “Come, you also! Come, drunkards! Come, weaklings! Come, children of shame!” And he will say to us: “Vile beings, you who are in the image of the beast and bear his mark, but come all the same, you as well.” And the wise and prudent will say, “Lord, why do you welcome them?” And he will say: “If I welcome them, you wise men, if I welcome them, you prudent men, it is because not one of them has ever been judged worthy.” And he will stretch out his arms, and we will fall at his feet, and we will cry out sobbing, and then we will understand all, we will understand the Gospel of grace! Lord, your Kingdom come!”
They are culturally conservative, of course, and generally opposed to homosexuality but I see that even slowly changing as more gay voices in that church begin to question just how gay people are supposed to hear the Good News as good news if the Word is constantly construed as Bad News for gays.
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Oh, it's realistic all right.That attitude is more Keswick theology in its emphasis than a realistic view of the human condition. Lutherans believe in loving human beings in all their complexity and ambiguity, because we believe God does the same.
I believe in a God more like what is presented in Dostoyevsky's works, like in his description of the Last Judgment in Crime and Punishment
behavior isn't orientation.Why don't you answer all the questions you have been asked on the merits? All you have done is make ad hominem attacks and failed to answer any question put to you. If you do not wish to discuss it in good faith, just say so, and I will move on. But own it.
What I said was this: ALL sexual BEHAVIOR is a choice (absent rape, of course). You are 100 percent in control of which sexual behaviors you wish to pursue and which you choose to decline because they are not acceptable to you. There is no genetic component found, though they are desperately trying, which you obviously know.
I doubt it.I have seen your posts on these forums, and your responses in this thread. I am not a fool. No, a better response would be to provide an actual response, but that would require me to explain the point to you, make sure you actually understand the point (not a superficial interpretation), and then spend the time waiting for you to determine your position so that you can argue the point further.
I don't have that type of time, and I am no longer playing this gigantic role-playing game disguised as a forum just for the sake of the people who don't realize it. So I gave you empty responses. If someone else asked me the question I would likely answer straightly.
just Google images. i just put in a search for Christians hating gays. tens of thousands of hits came up, these were just in the first couple rows.Not sure what kind of sites you visit to find that extremist nonsense.
the nice image with the interwoven nooses stating this is the solution to same sex marriage comes from the National Organization for Marriage is a non-profit Christian organization that has 1.7 million members.This is no way represents the Christian view, any more than the crazy, insane leftist fringe represents all pro-gay sources. Most are rational people who simply don't adhere to the biblical proscription against this, but who would never attack people or promote violence any more than those who do adhere to biblical standards.
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