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[Albion]

I have to admit it, "Squint" and "Loves." I don't have a clue what either of those last two posts (59 and 58) is supposed to be all about.

 

[squint]

I have to admit it, "Squint" and "Loves." I don't have a clue what either of those last two posts (59 and 58) is supposed to be all about.

It perhaps sounded like you were defending the RCC there for a moment A?

 

[LovesJesusChrist38]

I think his group is slowly getting absorbed into the RCC and he might be acclimating to acceptance.

I like liberty.

 

[Albion]

It perhaps sounded like you were defending the RCC there for a moment A?

Maybe if you had read it carefully. I said to join something (for the sake of fellowship). I did not say to join the RCC.

Anyway, my "group" (we usually call it a "church") is in no danger of being absorbed into the RCC, so rest easy. Thanks for the rely, though.

 

[LovesJesusChrist38]

Maybe if we had to do a little thinking, praying, meditating, discussing with other Christians; seekers of the truth, fasting over it, waiting for an answer and a really allowing Spirit to work with us we could know what it means?

Mt 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? 10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. 9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

Ps 119:15 I will meditate in thy precepts, and have respect unto thy ways.

1Ti 4:15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.

Ga 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.
Ga 6:6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.


Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you

 

[squint]

Maybe if you had read it carefully. I said to join something (for the sake of fellowship). I did not say to join the RCC.

Ah. I was just looking at the Anglican logo and thinking...

Anyway, my "group" (we usually call it a "church") is in no danger of being absorbed into the RCC, so rest easy. Thanks for the rely, though.

Whew. Had me wondering there for a minute. Not up to speed on that absorption matter either or the entire state of Anglicanism for that matter. Just know 'some' are.

 

[LovesJesusChrist38]

I have to admit it, "Squint" and "Loves." I don't have a clue what either of those last two posts (59 and 58) is supposed to be all about.

I didn't understand what you were saying to me, i was just asking.

 

[Albion]

Ah. I was just looking at the Anglican logo and thinking...

Whew. Had me wondering there for a minute. Not up to speed on that absorption matter either or the entire state of Anglicanism for that matter. Just know 'some' are.

To be completely honest, that is a sore spot with me--if you were referring to the Pope's attempt to lure Anglicans away from their church and faith and into the Roman Church.

It got a lot of publicity a year or so ago, and I find that people, especially RCs, still think that hoards of Anglicans are going over to Rome. Not a single Anglican church body that I know of took up the offer (although there is one tiny one that I'm thinking of which might have), but yet we still hear about this. Most Anglicans were quite insulted, in fact. Out of perhaps 115,000,000 Anglicans in the world, it appears that fewer than 2000 became Catholics in response to this overture from the Vatican.

And if you weren't thinking of that....then "never mind."

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I dont really, i learn from people, its common knowledge.Why do put trust in Rc after they hunted down heretics? Sounds pharisee like.
Sometimes i get the impression they are like neo pharisees.

That has already been gone over here on GT

http://www.christianforums.com/t5445935/
For the Last Time, Roman Catholics Aren't the Pharisees!

For the love of all that is holy people, drop the bigotry and villianizations!

Our Lord's critique of the Pharisees was based on a view of the law that lacked any attention to the intentions behind our good deeds, and their ethnocentric form of Judaism that strictly seperated Jews and Gentiles- something highly inappropriate and indeed damning in the new era.

That is not what Catholics do! Haven't you ever read St. Thomas Aquinas? Do you even know what he is? According to Catholic doctrine, derived from the Scriptures, good works that lack right intentions are worthless.

Or do you just wish to villianize Christian traditions that practice formal liturgies in their worship and sacramental forms of piety because you don't understand them and think they're just 'going through the motions'?

I wonder how many evangelicals are just 'going through the motions' when they 'give the Lord a big round of applause' or clap their hands to upbeat worship music.

Seriously, I find that whole line of argument highly offense.

 

[LovesJesusChrist38]

That has already been gone over here on GT

http://www.christianforums.com/t5445935/
For the Last Time, Roman Catholics Aren't the Pharisees!

Neo means new, "the" refers to old. But im not making a big thing out of it, just a fallible observation.

 

[squint]

To be completely honest, that is a sore spot with me--if you were referring to the Pope's attempt to lure Anglicans away from their church and faith and into the Roman Church.

It got a lot of publicity a year or so ago, and I find that people, especially RCs, still think that hoards of Anglicans are going over to Rome. Not a single Anglican church body that I know of took up the offer (although there is one tiny one that I'm thinking of which might have), but yet we still hear about this. Most Anglicans were quite insulted, in fact. Out of perhaps 115,000,000 Anglicans in the world, it appears that fewer than 2000 became Catholics in response to this overture from the Vatican.

And if you weren't thinking of that....then "never mind."

No, that is in fact exactly what came to my mind. Just hadn't read anything about it recently. The last article I picked up on it (going from bad memory) there were something like 100 Anglican churches in England making the switch, but that may have been the 'English' Anglican church...

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[LovesJesusChrist38]

interesting.

"Pastor and flock" convert to catholicism! - Alex Jones and the Church founded by Jesus Christ! (1) - YouTube

 

[LovesJesusChrist38]

Best way to be like paul isn't found in joining the Rc, its found in liberty and suffering

 

[Albion]

No, that is in fact exactly what came to my mind. Just hadn't read anything about it recently. The last article I picked up on it (going from bad memory) there were something like 100 Anglican churches in England making the switch, but that may have been the 'English' Anglican church...

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It was, I'm pretty sure. And the UK is the only place where there's been significant activity. It is also the only country that the Pope really was interested in (seeing this as a new round in the history of the English Reformation).

 

[squint]

It was, I'm pretty sure. And the UK is the only place where there's been significant activity. It is also the only country that the Pope really was interested in (seeing this as a new round in the history of the English Reformation).

'then they came for me' comes to mind...

What caught my interest in the article was how married priests were going to be grandfathered into the RCC. They had apparently negotiated a really interesting set of lower court rules (internal of course) that I read through at the time. That old dry paint stuff is interesting to me sometimes, the red tape, fine print, reams of court determinations and all as I worked in that arena most of my life.

I thought that rather risky for the existing RCC priesthood, but then again maybe not...

I digressss

 

[Albion]

'then they came for me' comes to mind...

What caught my interest in the article was how married priests were going to be grandfathered into the RCC. They had apparently negotiated a really interesting set of lower court rules (internal of course) that I read through at the time. That old dry paint stuff is interesting to me sometimes, the red tape, fine print, reams of court determinations and all as I worked in that arena most of my life.

I thought that rather risky for the existing RCC priesthood, but then again maybe not...

The most interesting thing may be that they didn't get grandfathererd into the RCC after all. In fact, almost all that was anticipated by these Anglo-Papalists didn't come to pass. They can be ordained anew (by the RCC) if they are deemed to have been sufficiently trained and educated, but there was no grandfathering. Anglican bishops had to give up being bishops and priests had to apply to be ordained as deacons. Yet, those who endured these indignities could wind up a priests again and, yes, you are right that this is likely to cause some friction with Roman Catholic parishioners who wonder why this deal applies to these guys and not their own sons in the ministry. At least that has been the experience of a some former Anglican priests who went over as individuals in earlier years.

 

[squint]

The most interesting thing may be that they didn't get grandfathererd into the RCC after all. In fact, almost all that was anticipated by these Anglo-Papalists didn't come to pass. They can be ordained anew (by the RCC) if they are deemed to have been sufficiently trained and educated, but there was no grandfathering. Anglican bishops had to give up being bishops and priests had to apply to be ordained as deacons. Yet, those who endured these indignities could wind up a priests again and, yes, you are right that this is likely to cause some friction with Roman Catholic parishioners who wonder why this deal applies to these guys and not their own sons in the ministry. At least that has been the experience of a some former Anglican priests who went over as individuals in earlier years.

Well as is common it looked good on paper. I thought they were working on actually pulling it off. But sounds like not above. Apparently the RCC had a prior absorption process for which there were some similarities. Quite awhile back though. Gave them the basis for the legal construct.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by thereselittleflower Because the scriptures are of no private interpretation, yet all who have seperated themsevles from the Catholic Church and those groups that did so, rely on private interpretation for right understanding, which was never promised us.

If everyone were Orthodox we wouldn't be having this problem.

Y'all ain't Communists are ya?

 

[bugkiller]

Why do you think there are so many differnt beliefs, when it comes to what the bible say?

Why do you think we can't seem to get the same doctrines?

Vanity.

bugkiller

 

[Standing Up]

The most interesting thing may be that they didn't get grandfathererd into the RCC after all. In fact, almost all that was anticipated by these Anglo-Papalists didn't come to pass. They can be ordained anew (by the RCC) if they are deemed to have been sufficiently trained and educated, but there was no grandfathering. Anglican bishops had to give up being bishops and priests had to apply to be ordained as deacons. Yet, those who endured these indignities could wind up a priests again and, yes, you are right that this is likely to cause some friction with Roman Catholic parishioners who wonder why this deal applies to these guys and not their own sons in the ministry. At least that has been the experience of a some former Anglican priests who went over as individuals in earlier years.

Shouldn't be a surprise. RC doesn't think Anglican priests are "real" priests with the ability to "transform" (or invoke God to "transform") the bread into flesh and wine into blood, like they think they are able to.

It's the new normal redefined "apostolic succession" from "teach the same" to "continuous valid priest succession".