What would you say?

[TheBigAl]

Just as it was Noah's decision to listen to GOD and build the ark.

And just as it was the original author’s decision to convey God’s message in a flood story he (or she) completely made up.

 

[OdwinOddball]

I have hope that mankind will eventually pull itself out of the muck of superstition and ignorance.

And then I visit forums like this and see folks like LittleNip and realize that for many of my fellow humans the calendar might as well read 1006 instead of 2006. Grow up, open your mind to the possibilities of life. Realize that wether your Bible was divinely inspired or not, it was still physically written by humans near 2000 years ago. These humans were ignorant of how nearly everything in the world works. To assume that a book written by such people is capable of holding scientific truth is beyond assinine, and shows a level of ignorance that everyone one of us should be ashamed to admit still exisits in the modern world.

 

[TheBigAl]

I have hope that mankind will eventually pull itself out of the muck of superstition and ignorance.

And then I visit forums like this and see folks like LittleNip and realize that for many of my fellow humans the calendar might as well read 1006 instead of 2006. Grow up, open your mind to the possibilities of life. Realize that wether your Bible was divinely inspired or not, it was still physically written by humans near 2000 years ago. These humans were ignorant of how nearly everything in the world works. To assume that a book written by such people is capable of holding scientific truth is beyond assinine, and shows a level of ignorance that everyone one of us should be ashamed to admit still exisits in the modern world.

It’s not much the superstition or ignorance, but the unwillingness to see the world in another way. People seem pretty content with their lives and beliefs, even if they might seem irrational to others. Some even fell attacked or insecure when they are confronted with ideas different than their own. So they will do what they can to preserve their way of existence.

 

[AnEmpiricalAgnostic]

That is how the ENTIRE passage reads. Again, you cannot hang even literal interpretation on one independent portion of scripture. ALL of it is there to provide a COMPLETE picture.

And you use the fact that the earth is not flat when formulating your “complete picture” when reading parts of the bible that say that you can see the whole world from a high tree or mountain. It the same reasoning that you should carry through when reading about talking snakes and creating man from dust. Somehow, somewhere, you disconnect reason when dealing with creation though and for all your dancing around about the subject you have yet to supply us with a precise reason as to why. If you read genesis “in context” then you’re already applying a certain level of interpretation. Where is the magic barrier between literal and interpreted and what is the reasoning behind why it’s there? Can you just answer that one simple question?

You are the desperate individual. You are afraid that if evolution is wrong ----- THERE MUST BE A GOD and you will have no excuse. Do you believe that a hell exists?

Firstly, I’m quite certain the Theory of Evolution is not wrong. Secondly, even if it was wrong it does NOT mean god exists by default. Maybe this is why you rail against evolution. Do you think if evolution is wrong that automatically means god exists?

No, I do not believe hell exists. I do not believe in mother goose, santa, the tooth fairy, leprechauns, ghosts, psychics, astrology, god(s), unicorns, fire breathing dragons, underwear gnomes, miracles, or magic. There is simply no compelling evidence.

 

[OdwinOddball]

And you use the fact that the earth is not flat when formulating your “complete picture” when reading parts of the bible that say that you can see the whole world from a high tree or mountain. It the same reasoning that you should carry through when reading about talking snakes and creating man from dust. Somehow, somewhere, you disconnect reason when dealing with creation though and for all your dancing around about the subject you have yet to supply us with a precise reason as to why. If you read genesis “in context” then you’re already applying a certain level of interpretation. Where is the magic barrier between literal and interpreted and what is the reasoning behind why it’s there? Can you just answer that one simple question?
Firstly, I’m quite certain the Theory of Evolution is not wrong. Secondly, even if it was wrong it does NOT mean god exists by default. Maybe this is why you rail against evolution. Do you think if evolution is wrong that automatically means god exists?

No, I do not believe hell exists. I do not believe in mother goose, santa, the tooth fairy, leprechauns, ghosts, psychics, astrology, god(s), unicorns, fire breathing dragons, underwear gnomes, miracles, or magic. There is simply no compelling evidence.

Oh come now. Those others may be fictional, but Underwear Gnomes are all too real. I even lay traps for them in my dresser. Why would I lay traps for a fictional being. ipso facto Underwear Gnomes exist

 

[Silent Bob]

It's Underpants Gnomes people.

 

[AnEmpiricalAgnostic]

It's Underpants Gnomes people.

Oh no, I KNOW those exist. It’s those absurd underwear gnomes are strictly fantasy. I don’t see how anyone could believe the latter.

 

[LittleNipper]

And just as it was the original author’s decision to convey God’s message in a flood story he (or she) completely made up.

To convey a message in a story one makes up, does not require as much detail as has been provided. It would be a waste of time (which they didn't have much of then) and a distraction to the supposed intent, as this has proven to be in your case...

 

[LittleNipper]

It’s not much the superstition or ignorance, but the unwillingness to see the world in another way. People seem pretty content with their lives and beliefs, even if they might seem irrational to others. Some even feel attacked or insecure when they are confronted with ideas different than their own. So they will do what they can to preserve their way of existence.

So in what other ways are you seeing the world. You seen very irrational to me and insecure when confronted with the prospect of GOD. Human science with its theories is your crutch.

 

[DailyBlessings]

And lost? Seems weird for omnipotent Gods to lose wrestling matches.

Actually, Jacob lost.

 

[TheBigAl]

So in what other ways are you seeing the world. You seen very irrational to me and insecure when confronted with the prospect of GOD. Human science with its theories is your crutch.

MY IRONY METER, NNOOOO!!!

Oh come on Nip. Is this the best you can come up with? Need I remind you the times you have contradicted your self? Or blasphemed against God, and completely twist his word to meet your selfish needs? Need I reminds you of all the questions you have dogged from various posters? Remember? And you call me insecure… he, he, he.

 

[LittleNipper]

And you use the fact that the earth is not flat when formulating your “complete picture” when reading parts of the bible that say that you can see the whole world from a high tree or mountain. It the same reasoning that you should carry through when reading about talking snakes and creating man from dust. Somehow, somewhere, you disconnect reason when dealing with creation though and for all your dancing around about the subject you have yet to supply us with a precise reason as to why. If you read genesis “in context” then you’re already applying a certain level of interpretation. Where is the magic barrier between literal and interpreted and what is the reasoning behind why it’s there? Can you just answer that one simple question?
Firstly, I’m quite certain the Theory of Evolution is not wrong. Secondly, even if it was wrong it does NOT mean god exists by default. Maybe this is why you rail against evolution. Do you think if evolution is wrong that automatically means god exists?

No, I do not believe hell exists. I do not believe in mother goose, santa, the tooth fairy, leprechauns, ghosts, psychics, astrology, god(s), unicorns, fire breathing dragons, underwear gnomes, miracles, or magic. There is simply no compelling evidence.

Firstly, I'm certain GOD exists and that the Bible is HIS written Word. Secondly, the Bible has not changed while evolution has been adjusted quite a number of times (they never get it right). Maybe this is why you seem to hate Christianity so.... The next time someone you love is sick and dying, don't pray for them ----- there's no compelling exidence --- so you said.

 

[LittleNipper]

MY IRONY METER, NNOOOO!!!

Oh come on Nip. Is this the best you can come up with? Need I remind you the times you have contradicted your self? Or blasphemed against God, and completely twist his word to meet your selfish needs? Need I reminds you of all the questions you have dogged from various posters? Remember? And you call me insecure… he, he, he.

Speaking of IRONY! So you are going to tell ME what a Christian is and is not? YOU are going to tell me what it is to blaspheme GOD. I suppose you don't EVER use GOD's name in vain---do you.? I suppose YOU believe JESUS is the CHRIST the SON of the Living GOD? You even KNOW GOD's WORDS by memory....... You are hanging by a thread-------I call that insecure. Attack the messenger. I do pity you.

 

[TheBigAl]

Firstly, I'm certain GOD exists and that the Bible is HIS written Word.

This is your personal belief, and you are entitled to it.

Secondly, the Bible has not changed while evolution has been adjusted quite a number of times (they never get it right). Maybe this is why you seem to hate Christianity so.... The next time someone you love is sick and dying, don't pray for them ----- there's no compelling exidence --- so you said.

This only comes to show how little you know about both science and religion. Science grows and changes to adapt to new scientific evidence. Religion evolves and adapts to the new generation of individuals and current events.

You want an example: when Jesus came and died for our sins, religion had to adapt to that knew change and thus people shifted their religious beliefs to Christianity (and this change took time).

More examples? Sure: later on Christianity adapted itself in developing the concept of the holy trinity (the father, the son, and the holy ghost).

More you say? The christianity again, had to adapt itself when our modern bible was developed from various ancient scriptures.

These are only little changes of many that religious beliefs have undergone, are undergoing and will undergo.

 

[AnEmpiricalAgnostic]

Firstly, I'm certain GOD exists and that the Bible is HIS written Word.

Seriously, how can you be “certain” of anything without compelling evidence?

Secondly, the Bible has not changed while evolution has been adjusted quite a number of times (they never get it right).

Although this could be argued it doesn’t really matter. Your reasoning is fatally flawed. It’s science’s ability to change in light of new evidence that enables it to come as close as possible to the truth. Rigid dogmatic views have trouble adapting to new knowledge. This is why theists reinterpret the bible in light of new knowledge. If not they end up looking foolish by placing their faith in something that is fallacious. This is the reason you do not argue that the world is flat. This is the reason you do not argue that the earth is the center of the universe. This is the reason you should not argue that the Theory of Evolution is false.

Maybe this is why you seem to hate Christianity so.... The next time someone you love is sick and dying, don't pray for them ----- there's no compelling exidence --- so you said.

I will not. I will seek a medical professional who has dedicated their life to the science of medicine as they are most likely to be able to actually help my loved one.

Next time you or someone you love is sick and dying I hope you don’t take them to a doctor. Chances are the very medicine or vaccine that may save their life is a direct result of the study of evolution. Place your faith in god and pray. I’ll take science any day instead.

 

[TheBigAl]

Speaking of IRONY! So you are going to tell ME what a Christian is and is not? YOU are going to tell me what it is to blaspheme GOD. I suppose you don't EVER use GOD's name in vain---do you.. I suppose YOU believe JESUS is the CHRIST the SON of the Living GOD. You even KNOW GOD's WORDS by memory....... You are hanging by a thread-------I call that insecure. Attack the messenger. I do pity you.

Remember the time you said apes shaved? After so many people proved you wrong you left the topic to never return.

Or how about that satan created the flood? You have yet to prove this claim.

Remember how you said that you had “special” understanding of God’s words?

Remember how you said that the problem with people today is that we can talk what ever we want but that in today’s American society we aren’t allowed to express our selves? (an example of many of your contradictory comments)

I do pity you

Thank you.

And as a brother in Christ and a child of God, I love you.

 

[LittleNipper]

This is your personal belief, and you are entitled to it.



This only comes to show how little you know about both science and religion. Science grows and changes to adapt to new scientific evidence. Religion evolves and adapts to the new generation of individuals and current events.

You want an example: when Jesus came and died for our sins, religion had to adapt to that knew change and thus people shifted their religious beliefs to Christianity (and this change took time).

More examples? Sure: later on Christianity adapted itself in developing the concept of the holy trinity (the father, the son, and the holy ghost).

More you say? The christianity again, had to adapt itself when our modern bible was developed from various ancient scriptures.

These are only little changes of many that religious beliefs have undergone, are undergoing and will undergo.

Religions are man made. Christianity is CHRIST made. Have church bildings changed? Yes, but that isn't Christianity. Has apparel changed? Yes, but that isn't Christianity. DOES GOD DO THE SAVING-----YES, and that is Christianity. Theories are changed to conform to new approaches and science isn't written in stone. The Bible is still the same-----different languages maybe, but the Gospel message remains entirely the same. AND as relevant today as it was 2000 years ago. The same cannot be said of scientific procedure or scientific theory.

 

[LittleNipper]

Remember the time you said apes shaved? After so many people proved you wrong you left the topic to never return.

Or how about that satan created the flood? You have yet to prove this claim.

Remember how you said that you had “special” understanding of God’s words?

Remember how you said that the problem with people today is that we can talk what ever we want but that in today’s American society we aren’t allowed to express our selves? (an example of many of your contradictory comments)



Thank you.

And as a brother in Christ and a child of God, I love you.

Apes don't shave------people do. Apes are not people. We cannot share aspects of Creationism in a Public Science Class... That is a fact (today) and not a contradiction. Your memory is bias and seemingly selective....

 

[TheBigAl]

Religions are man made. Christianity is CHRIST made. Have church bildings changed? Yes, but that isn't Christianity. Has apparel changed? Yes, but that isn't Christianity. DOES GOD DO THE SAVING-----YES, and that is Christianity. Theories are changed to conform to new approaches and science isn't written in stone. The Bible is still the same-----different languages maybe, but the Gospel message remains entirely the same. AND as relevant today as it was 2000 years ago. The same cannot be said of scientific procedure or scientific theory.

Nip don’t doge the point. All religions change over time (even christianity).

One more example is our personal views on religion. Even though we worship the same God, our views are quite different. And thus, we have changed religion from what it was in the past. And it will be different from what it currently is.

(Note: The two of us alone don’t make the change. Generations of individuals do.)

 

[TheBigAl]

Apes don't shave------people do. Apes are not people.

So I’m guessing Jesus Christ was an ape, because he didn’t shaved.

We cannot share aspects of Creationism in a Public Science Class... That is a fact (today) and not a contradiction. Your memory is bias and seemingly selective....

So which is the problem, that we are free to talk about whatever, or that we aren’t allowed to talk at all?