What would you say?

[Praxiteles]

I thought that was a copious Christian.

Yes.

Or, otherwise known as Corpulent Christi.

 

[Silent Bob]

Will someone please tell me what a “liberal Christian” is?

Me. I am liberal in politics and a Christian. Cause we all know that "real" Christians live in the Bible belt, own 70 guns, hate gays, bomb abortion clinics and attend KKK rallies. Thank God they don't know what the internet is (other that it was created by satan) or else they would come for me.

 

[Dal M.]

It's amazing how everyone would have a problem with me changing the theory of evilution and then claiming it to be true, while it's perfectly alright for liberal Christians to change Chrisitanity as much as they like and then pass it off as Christianity, thereby watering down, and making it more difficult to preach the true message.

That's it? That's the big reveal? Man. Some people saw this one coming, but I was holding out hope that your point would be something a little more substantial than "How come religion and science operate differently?"

Liberal Christians are still considered Christians because the definition of "Christian," as laid out in the Nicene Creed, isn't dependent on whether or not you accept a six-day creation. You can believe whatever you want; so long as you believe that Jesus is God and the resurrected savior, you're a Christian.

However, you can't make something up* and call it the Theory of Evolution (not "evilution") because the word "theory," in the context of scientific study, denotes an explanatory system that has stood up to rigorous testing. If you want your idea to supplant the Theory of Evolution, you actually need the evidence on your side, as Dr. GH said.

*This isn't to say that liberal Christians are the ones making things up - it's the conservative Christians, after all, who've dreamed up such things as the vapor canopy and Neanderthal skeletons being 600-year-old modern humans.

 

[LittleNipper]

Christ's definition of a liberal Christian:

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide the gate, and broad the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait the gate , and narrow the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there are that find it.

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth,good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name, and in thy name have we not cast out devils, and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine and doeth them, I will liken him unto the wise man, which built his house upon a rock. And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto the foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew; and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Matthew 7:13-27

 

[LittleNipper]

Is Creationism founded on the rock or on sand?
Is Evolution founded on the rock or on sand?
Which one is more popular?
Which one points the way to the Father?
Which one is founded in human works?

 

[DailyBlessings]

Christ's definition of a liberal Christian:

Presuming to speak in Christ's name, are you? Might want to reread the third commandment, O holy one...

 

[Dal M.]

So, Nip, these "evil fruits" you're talking about - would they be things like trying to redefine "Christian" as "Biblical literalist," thereby setting up stumbling blocks before their fellow brothers and sisters in Christ? Because that'd be a pretty vile thing to do.

Is Evolution founded on the rock or on sand?

Neither. It's a biological science. Geology is founded on the rock.

 

[LittleNipper]

Presuming to speak in Christ's name, are you? Might want to reread the third commandment, O holy one...

I'm NOT presuming anything. What I typed and what you read and seemly scoff at, is a direct quote from the Bible. Judge not lest ye be judged.

 

[Magnus Vile]

Is Creationism founded on the rock or on sand?

Well, it's unsupported by anything other than continual lies, misunderstandings, misrepresentations, misquotes, all in all a pretty consistant case of bearing false witness.

All the evidence, (which any Christian sort of has to believe is the direct work of God, however he did it) speaks of an old universe, an old earth and evolution being the explaination for bio diversity, so anyone claiming otherwise has to be claiming God is actively decieving us with the evidence he laid out. (Or alternatively, claiming 90%+ of all scientists and 99%+ of all biologists are either lying or idiots)


So, bearing false witness, judging others, calling God deceptive..


By their fruit?

 

[LittleNipper]

So, Nip, these "evil fruits" you're talking about - would they be things like trying to redefine "Christian" as "Biblical literalist," thereby setting up stumbling blocks before their fellow brothers and sisters in Christ? Because that'd be a pretty vile thing to do.



Neither. It's a biological science. Geology is founded on the rock.

The stumbling block seems to be interpreting GOD's WORD to suit one's self and not accepting the reality of GOD's inerrant standard and revelation. GOD is the LORD of Science. Evolutionary, Uniformatarianistic Geology is founded on man's interpretation of what he gathers. Fossils are formed in sand-------what was the age of that sand? What might a geologist miss?

 

[Lilandra]

The stumbling block seems to be interpreting GOD's WORD to suit one's self and not accepting the reality of GOD's inerrant standard and revelation. GOD is the LORD of Science. Evolutionary, Uniformatarianistic Geology is founded on man's interpretation of what he gathers. Fossils are formed in sand-------what was the age of that sand? What might a geologist miss?

12So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God. 13Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. Romans 14:12-14

 

[LittleNipper]

Well, it's unsupported by anything other than continual lies, misunderstandings, misrepresentations, misquotes, all in all a pretty consistant case of bearing false witness.

All the evidence, (which any Christian sort of has to believe is the direct work of God, however he did it) speaks of an old universe, an old earth and evolution being the explaination for bio diversity, so anyone claiming otherwise has to be claiming God is actively decieving us with the evidence he laid out. (Or alternatively, claiming 90%+ of all scientists and 99%+ of all biologists are either lying or idiots)


So, bearing false witness, judging others, calling God deceptive..


By their fruit?

How old was Adam when GOD created him? Rather, was Adam a grown and mature specimen of a man as GOD formed him? What does the Bible say? What do evolutionists believe? By their fruits... Did GOD create a complete and fully establish ecology when GOD placed man in Eden. Was that ecology good? What does the Bible say? What does the Uniformatarian Geologist believe? By their fruits... Who claims that GOD is deceptive by creating a mature man, a mature woman, a mature environment and a full functioning mature solar system & universe? What does the Bible say? What did you say? What do I accept? By their fruits....

 

[Dal M.]

The stumbling block seems to be interpreting GOD's WORD to suit one's self and not accepting the reality of GOD's inerrant standard and revelation.

What you mean is: they don't agree with you, therefore they aren't Christians. You'd better tell them that; if not for humble mouthpieces of God like you, liberal Christians might go their entire lives thinking that they're following Christ.

How old was Adam when GOD created him? Rather, was Adam a grown and mature specimen of a man as GOD formed him? What does the Bible say? What do evolutionists believe? By their fruits... Did GOD create a complete and fully establish ecology when GOD placed man in Eden. Was that ecology good? What does the Bible say? What does the Uniformatarian Geologist believe? By their fruits... Who claims that GOD is deceptive by creating a mature man, a mature woman, a mature environment and a full functioning mature solar system & universe? What does the Bible say? What did you say? What do I accept? By their fruits....

Nice one, Magnus. I think you broke him.

 

[AnEmpiricalAgnostic]

What does the Bible say?

The bible “says” many things that are flat out wrong if you adhere to a literal interpretation. If you can’t even figure out why you take some parts literally and other parts as in need of interpretation then how can we take your opinions seriously? Your assertions are arbitrary, unsubstantiated, and devoid of reason.

 

[Magnus Vile]

How old was Adam when GOD created him? Rather, was Adam a grown and mature specimen of a man as GOD formed him? What does the Bible say? What do evolutionists believe? By their fruits... Did GOD create a complete and fully establish ecology when GOD placed man in Eden. Was that ecology good? What does the Bible say? What does the Uniformatarian Geologist believe? By their fruits... Who claims that GOD is deceptive by creating a mature man, a mature woman, a mature environment and a full functioning mature solar system & universe? What does the Bible say? What did you say? What do I accept? By their fruits....

What about when a Creationist claims God created light showing a supernova from a star that never existed? What about a reflection from that light on a dust cloud of a supernova that never happened? Is that deceptive? Does it make God deceptive?

And what about people that ignore a large part of the evidence they believe was created directly by God in favour of following their own interpretation of a book, that no matter how inspired it may have been, has been demonstrably changed by the humans that have mistranslated and misunderstood it to such a degree that it was once held as an article of faith that the earth was flat, and the sun revolved around it. And that too was God's infallible word until someone pointed out that God left a more accurate image of what he had done in the universe itself.

So why is it creationists take a book which is, whatever else it may be, prone to human error and misinteretation over God's own handiwork? Could it be they place their own, human, interpretation of that book above God's handiwork?

By their fruits, indeed.

 

[LittleNipper]

The bible “says” many things that are flat out wrong if you adhere to a literal interpretation. If you can’t even figure out why you take some parts literally and other parts as in need of interpretation then how can we take your opinions seriously? Your assertions are arbitrary, unsubstantiated, and devoid of reason.

And one day you WILL have to account to GOD for YOUR learned opinion. The ENTIRE BIBLE must be studied and applied to understand ANY of its parts. My Biblical assertions are not arbitrary. Your nonbiblical assertions are. They are based on what you perceive day to day. My Biblical assertions are based on understanding the entire Bible and accepting the Entire Bible as GOD's Word. My understanding is enhanced by the Holy Spirit. What is your understanding enhanced by?

 

[AnEmpiricalAgnostic]

And one day you WILL have to account to GOD for YOUR learned opinion.

You say this as if you know. The truth is that you don’t even know why you believe things much less know the truth. You can’t even tell me why you interpret the bible in some cases and adhere to a strict literal reading in others. How can I even begin to think you know the truth about things such as god.

The ENTIRE BIBLE must be studied and applied to understand ANY of its parts. My Biblical assertions are not arbitrary.

Talk is cheap. If this is the case then why, oh why, have you not been able to tell me the precise reason you interpret the bible in some cases and take it literally in others? If you have no reason then your assertions are the textbook definition of arbitrary.

Your nonbiblical assertions are. They are based on what you perceive day to day. My Biblical assertions are based on understanding the entire Bible and accepting the Entire Bible as GOD's Word. My understanding is enhanced by the Holy Spirit. What is your understanding enhanced by?

Reality.

 

[LittleNipper]

What about when a Creationist claims God created light showing a supernova from a star that never existed? What about a reflection from that light on a dust cloud of a supernova that never happened? Is that deceptive? Does it make God deceptive?

And what about people that ignore a large part of the evidence they believe was created directly by God in favour of following their own interpretation of a book, that no matter how inspired it may have been, has been demonstrably changed by the humans that have mistranslated and misunderstood it to such a degree that it was once held as an article of faith that the earth was flat, and the sun revolved around it. And that too was God's infallible word until someone pointed out that God left a more accurate image of what he had done in the universe itself.

So why is it creationists take a book which is, whatever else it may be, prone to human error and misinteretation over God's own handiwork? Could it be they place their own, human, interpretation of that book above God's handiwork?

By their fruits, indeed.

I will submit to you that Creationists are tring to understand the possibilities that will promote further study of the Bible. Sir, we have the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic copies which we may revisit. Human error in interpretation is a rather poor excuse for failure to research GOD's Word or appreciate it. Creationists should consider their opinions as secondary to anything the Bible says------IS THAT TRUE OF EVOLUTIONISTS AND THEIR THEORY? .

 

[Split Rock]

Did GOD create a complete and fully establish ecology when GOD placed man in Eden. Was that ecology good? What does the Bible say? What does the Uniformatarian Geologist believe? ...

What ecology??

According to you YECs, there was No death and No decay in this perfect "ecology" you made up. Without death and decay, there is no ecosystem! There is No turnover of nutrients. Where did the nutrients come from?

Was there reproduction? How did the Garden support the continued exponential increase in population sizes from every single species (including mice and insects with huge reproductive rates) without death?

 

[Nathan Poe]

How old was Adam when GOD created him? Rather, was Adam a grown and mature specimen of a man as GOD formed him?

What about Adam's childhood? What woul he have said if you asked him about that?

What does the Bible say? What do evolutionists believe? By their fruits... Did GOD create a complete and fully establish ecology when GOD placed man in Eden. Was that ecology good?

No, it was terrible -- YECs claim that there was no death in Eden. As a result, nothing could grow.

What does the Bible say? What does the Uniformatarian Geologist believe? By their fruits... Who claims that GOD is deceptive by creating a mature man, a mature woman, a mature environment and a full functioning mature solar system & universe? What does the Bible say? What did you say? What do I accept? By their fruits....

Well, seeing as how it's the YECs who put forth an idol of a deceptive God, I would think you should be taking it up with them.