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I've seen a lot of different comments so far.
So if you were gay what would you do? assuming you're not gay.
So if you were gay what would you do? assuming you're not gay.
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What would you do if you were gay?
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The way I live my life wouldn't change significantly. I'd just be attracted to a different gender. I don't think anything else would be different.
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Live a happy and fulfilling life…find satisfaction in my career….get married…raise a family…so not much different from where I am now
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UberLutheran
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I wasn't aware that The Elect had to repent about anything.
The Elect have their passport to Heaven and their entrance papers are all in a row -- my understanding is that all "The Elect" have to do is make the rest of us aware that "we" are not one of "them", so "we" are gonna fry.
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BAFRIEND
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Is this some kind of protestant thing ?
I was one once, so it is kind of vague.
My experience is that when a Born Again messes up the other Born Agains write it off, saying the person was never saved because he must not have been sincere when he asked Jesus to enter his heart.
Maybe that is what my Born Again family feels about me ? That when I was seven and was saved, and actually believed Jesus was in my heart as a physical presence, that I was a liar little boy.
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LoveAlways
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According to the stereotypes, I'd buy a Subaru, get some cats, stop wearing make-up, and learn how to use power tools..... hey, wait.... uh oh..... NOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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UberLutheran
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Is this some kind of protestant thing ?
I was one once, so it is kind of vague.
My experience is that when a Born Again messes up the other Born Agains write it off, saying the person was never saved because he must not have been sincere when he asked Jesus to enter his heart.
Maybe that is what my Born Again family feels about me ? That when I was seven and was saved, and actually believed Jesus was in my heart as a physical presence, that I was a liar little boy.
"Born Again" for the purposes of this post refers to someone who believes in the Calvinist doctrine of Perserverence of the Saints, e.g., "once saved, always saved". Because the Father has elected who shall believe and who shall be saved, the Son has redeemed the saved, and the Holy Spirit has applied salvation to The Elect, those thus saved are eternally secure in Christ.
That's actually not far from what happens when a Born Again messes up and/or leaves the faith -- the other Born Agains say the person was never saved because he wasn't sincere in the first place.
Now this might surprise you, BAFRIEND, but I got exactly the same thing from my family when I became a Lutheran! Some conservative Protestants claim Catholics aren't "Christian" (and I'm definitely not one of those people!). My family believes that Catholics, Episcopalians, Lutherans, Methodists and Presbyterians -- and most Baptists -- aren't Christians and to join one of these churches means that one wasn't sincere when that person made their profession of faith (which is ALWAYS done during an "altar call" at the end of the service).
Translation: I'm going to Hell -- because I'm a Lutheran. For the same reason, I'm not allowed to give the invocation at family reunions, to say table grace when visiting my family (or when they visit me), or to participate in Communion at their church -- which really isn't a hardship for me, because I have no intention of attending their church in the first place!
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ReformedChapin
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No protestant who is educated in orthodoxy would do that. That's how like many uneducated Catholics claim that protestants are only within the church. It's a form of legalism that comes from both sides.
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UberLutheran
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Guess what, NewGuy? They do do that -- and they justify their behavior in Scripture. (I have a paternal aunt who is also on the receiving end of that kind of behavior for joining the United Church of Christ, as was my paternal grandmother (who married into the family) because she was a lifelong Unitarian.)
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ReformedChapin
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How about some proof? Again, they must be educated in orthodoxy this can't be just some morons saying these things. And if they were using scripture they would be contradicting themselves.
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UberLutheran
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I can give you proof (from my own extended family, even), but you and I both know three things:
1) You will discount any source I give.
2) If I post comments from individual family members, and the Scriptures cited, you'll say my post isn't "debatable" because I'm using personal experience.
3) If I give the Scriptures they cite, you'll discount what *I* post with some comment to the effect of I'm "just trying to pervert the Scriptures and trying to justify a sinful lifestyle."
You and I have been down this path over, and over, and OVER again -- and each time the results have been exactly the same; and now you want me to go down the same path with you, again.
Wasn't it enough that when I posted a poll asking if I should stay or leave this forum, suddenly (mysteriously!) 15 people voted that I should leave -- and you were parked in the thread watching (because I saw your user name the entire time). Evidently not.
A definition of insanity is doing the same thing five times in a row and expecting different results.
So, if I may play Charlie Brown to your Lucy for one second: "No, Lucy: I'm NOT going to kick the football!" [Charlie Brown turns and walks away.]
Find someone else to play this silly game with you. I'm not doing it.
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UberLutheran
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The caveat is that the things which have been said or have occurred within the context of my post are specific to my more-or-less extended family and does NOT apply to all members of these denominations:
The denominations are:
- Church of Christ
- Primitive Baptist
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UberLutheran
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I think I know how that happened, and 15 of those votes came within a three hour period one evening about two weeks ago.
You and I have come to loggerheads and we're probably not going to agree on several issues, but I am adamantly opposed to people being silenced because of what they believe (even if I don't happen to agree with what they believe in); and I have "gone to bat" for people who have views with which I disagree when others were trying to take away their "voice".
I guess it's the libertarian in me: Free speech either applies to everyone (even those with unpopular views, or with whom we disagree) or it applies to no one. And that's why I voted that you should stay. No one should take away your right to voice an opinion just because someone doesn't agree with it.
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