What would you do if you were gay?

[Brieuse]

They follow "god" I just dont know which god it is. It sure isnt the biblical God.

switching him to ignore mode.

 

[UnitedInChrist]

switching him to ignore mode.

did that yesterday. much more peaceful.

 

[ReformedChapin]

switching him to ignore mode.

Again, another self defeating statement.

 

[ReformedChapin]

did that yesterday. much more peaceful.

I love how they are ignoring me but are posting about it. Typical liberal logic and maturity.

 

[*Starlight*]

They follow "god" I just dont know which god it is. It sure isnt the biblical God.

Well, personally I'm not a polytheist, I believe that there's only one God.

 

[DaveS]

Sorry but your definition of everyone is a Christian isn't biblical. Mine is, follow the Lord your God with all your heart mind and soul.

How exactly does this answer my question? I am simply wondering why God would be so petty as to exclude people from coming to Him simply because they got a minor theological detail wrong. It kinda reminds me of a joke;

"A man was standing off the edge of the Sydney Harbour Bridge --about to jump. A passer-by tried to talk him down; he asked: "well, are you a Christian?" to which the man answered "yes." He exclaimed: "great, me too; what kind of Christian are you? Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant?" The answer was: "Protestant." "Me too; what kind of Protestant? Anglican, Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist, Pentecostal?" "Pentecostal" The man got excited: "me too; are you an initial evidence or a third wave Pentecostal?" "Initial evidence." "Me too; what kind of initial evidence? Are you a AOG, CRC, COC, CCC?" "AOG." Now, he got really excited: "Me too; are you Premillenial, Post Millenial or Amillenial?" The guy on the bridge said: "Amillenial" and with that the passer-by, becoming very angry, screamed: "Die, heretic!" and pushed him off the bridge."

It just seems a little strange that a God who loves us so much and who clearly wants all of us to come to him would have so many clauses as to how we should love Him? It just doesn't seem right or just.

 

[Mskedi]

I would imagine my life would be essentially the same except that I would have married a woman rather than a man.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

I think I'll just comment on this instead of fruitlessly argue on the way God percieves our salvation, which is, of course, a pointless exercise. Why should we assume to understand God's mind at all?

Umm.... let's see. I AM gay so that makes this easy, I'm going to go to college get a doctorate, should God wish it then I'll meet someone to live my life with, and hopefully raise a family.

Don't be fooled. His "follow the Lord with all your heart and soul" is limited too "follow the Bible but don't trust God because you don't know if you're listening to God". Since apparently if I trust God more than the Bible I'm a fool.

Good for you though! I hope you can raise a wonderful family. I hope no one tries to stand in your way.

 

[BigBadWlf]

They follow "god" I just dont know which god it is. It sure isnt the biblical God.

I disagree with you…are you suggesting I am not a Christian?

 

[RMDY]

Is this true or are you just being sarcastic? Do these people really think that "being saved" is forever? You can go ahead and live a life of misery, destruction, etc..and b/c you are saved, you're good and the rest don't know the truth? WOW. Amazing. No wonder why religion gets a bad rap by so many and is the cause of every war we've ever had.

I would like to add on to what you say:

Christianity gets a bad rep for many reasons:

1) It has too many denominations
2) It is divided
3) People misused and slandered the name of Christ by having Christians fight Muslims in a series of crusades
4) Claims of scripture change over the years and declaring others added in, thus supporting the Muslim Koran that Christianity has been altered, justifying their claims that Christ was only a prophet
5) Christians themselves being hypocrites and living unchristian lifestyles.

All I see you people do is point fingers at each other.
"A house divided cannot stand"

 

[UnitedInChrist]

I would like to add on to what you say:

Christianity gets a bad rep for many reasons:

1) It has too many denominations
2) It is divided
3) People misused and slandered the name of Christ by having Christians fight Muslims in a series of crusades
4) Claims of scripture change over the years and declaring others added in, thus supporting the Muslim Koran that Christianity has been altered, justifying their claims that Christ was only a prophet
5) Christians themselves being hypocrites and living unchristian lifestyles.

All I see you people do is point fingers at each other.
"A house divided cannot stand"

Do you contribute to this at all? Are you a Christian hyprocrite or are you living a Christian life of purity with no sin? I have no idea, that's why I'm asking.
Agreed, there are way too many denominations, but what would you suggest? Many claim to be Christians, but there are RADICAL differences between the way they plan on getting to heaven. Everyone would tell you they know the way or they know the truth...but no one does..so what would you suggest? How would suggest church services to be held? The way the catholics do it? Pentacostals? Lutherans? If you say non-denominational...well, that is a denomination. 99 9/10% are Bible based and lean to fundamentalism....so now sure how to handle all of this. I'd like to hear your ideas if that's not too much to ask.

As for pointing the finger...there is truth to that. I'm as guilty as the next one. When I get put on the defense by others saying I'm wrong, or "liberal", or "twisting God's words" etc..I don't take that lightly. I use the fingers that God gave me to type back just as quickly as I can. Typos and all. It's not right...but it's what I do from time to time.

 

[RMDY]

Rick: I'm being completely truthful. If one is truly saved, it is because one has been called by God to be saved and that decision was made by God before one was even born. In this mindset, salvation occurs not because of anything one does on their own behalf (because Jesus did all the work on the Cross and in the Resurrection) but rather because God has predestined certain people for salvation; and because of this, one cannot lose their salvation.

I could tell you about some of the really contemptible things some of these people who are "once saved, always saved" have done (including child abuse, spousal abuse, con artistry, scammers, and even some relatives back in the early 20th century who were involved in several lynchings in Indiana) but that would be another topic for another time.

Suffice it to say that I'm not real keen on the concept of "once saved, always saved".

There are no "specific" favourites that God wants to save. Were all unrighteous, saved by the blood of Jesus by having faith in Him.

Even saved people have to go through the test of fire to determine if we, as saved people, live up being Christian.

1) Love our God and serve Him with all your mind, body, and soul.
2) Love each other as you would love yourself
3) Love Jesus and keep his commandments.

As sinners, it is always hard to everything. But we must do our best.

God is all forgiving, all loving, and all understanding.
But you must do your best to recognize what part of you is sin and repent for it.

For homosexual people, I am terribly sorry they are the way they are. Some people are born the way they are. Born people are born blind, mute people are born without a voice, def people cannot hear. They cannot change they way they are, but they can do their best to serve God's interests with what we have.

I know hetrosexual Christians who are close to 50 that are not married yet, but they love Christ with all their heart. They abstain from sexual relations.

Similarly, it is expected, our of love for Christ, because he saved us, that we are to do the same.

It is not a rule, but a commandment we are to do out of love for our God and saviour.

To abstain from sexual relations outside marriage.

If we ignore this commandment, we are ignoring Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and God.

So, we, as Christians, knowing that such things are bad, why do we choose to do them and not show that love back?

If we don't love Christ and just do whatever we want because of our Fleshly wants, do you think we will pass the Fire Test of Christ?

 

[RMDY]

Do you contribute to this at all?

Yes,
I am very sad to witness to people only to have them question me on these things: The crusades, "Nun-houses that abuse people", the account of Genesis and the sentence "In the beginning", Jesus having a son with Mary, Constatine and how the bible was altered and made unreliable, the topic of all religions fighting, catholics and protastants fighting one another worldwide. The different denominations, ect, ect.

If were divided, how can we stand in the face of these accusations.

Are you a Christian hyprocrite or are you living a Christian life of purity with no sin? I have no idea, that's why I'm asking.

No one lives a pure life. We aren't another Jesus.
In our struggles as Christians, we do our best to not sin and be Christ-like.
I have been struggling to abstain from sexual relations with my girlfriend. It isn't easy to do that and go from being non-devoted christians that do that kind of stuff to devoted christians who abstain from sexuality within a few months. It has been a slow process that has made made me a hypocrite at times.

I am still a child in Christ, and as a child, I am learning to become more Christ-like everyday. You can't just say to yourself overnight "ok, I will be sinless from now on"
Nope. It just doesn't happen. All christians will experience birth pangs and changes. God overcomes everything. With Him, everything is possible.

I do my best to serve my God and repent for everything I stumble upon. I am not a perfect Christian right now, but everyday I become closer to becoming more Christ-like. Everytime I sin, I repent and cry myself out to God asking for forgiveness.

You have to understand, I am not saying these things to accuse any of you but making a point. I am saying to not be divided for the sake of those who are not Christians. I know we all have our differences, but we have to put aside our traditions because we are all the body of Christ.

Speaking of which, try going from a full sexual relationship to a no-touch sexual relationship overnight. It is impossible. You can't put the brakes on the car that is moving. It takes time for the car to slow down and stop, which is what I have been doing.

Needless to say, I am not having sex right now, but while in the process of doing so, stumbled quite a bit.

To answer your question I will say this:

I do my best to live my life according to Christ with God in mind, but I stumble sometimes. It could be a simple thing such as a frustation. No Christian is perfect, but we strive our best to love others and serve our God with all our mind, body, and soul. If we stumble by chance, we ask God for forgiveness. He is very understanding, very loving, very compassionate. After all, He is the one who came down from Heaven to save me and nail all my sins to the cross.

As for pointing the finger...there is truth to that. I'm as guilty as the next one. When I get put on the defense by others saying I'm wrong, or "liberal", or "twisting God's words" etc..I don't take that lightly. I use the fingers that God gave me to type back just as quickly as I can. Typos and all. It's not right...but it's what I do from time to time.

God is the ultimate judge on things. But for the sake of non christians we can't be divided. That is the statement I was making.

 

[UnitedInChrist]

Yes,
I am very sad to witness to people only to have them question me on these things: The crusades, "Nun-houses that abuse people", the account of Genesis and the sentence "In the beginning", Jesus having a son with Mary, Constatine and how the bible was altered and made unreliable, the topic of all religions fighting, catholics and protastants fighting one another worldwide. The different denominations, ect, ect.

If were divided, how can we stand in the face of these accusations.



No one lives a pure life. We aren't another Jesus.
In our struggles as Christians, we do our best to not sin and be Christ-like.
I have been struggling to abstain from sexual relations with my girlfriend. It isn't easy to do that and go from being non-devoted christians that do that kind of stuff to devoted christians who abstain from sexuality within a few months. It has been a slow process that has made made me a hypocrite at times.

I am still a child in Christ, and as a child, I am learning to become more Christ-like everyday. You can't just say to yourself overnight "ok, I will be sinless from now on"
Nope. It just doesn't happen. All christians will experience birth pangs and changes. God overcomes everything. With Him, everything is possible.

I do my best to serve my God and repent for everything I stumble upon. I am not a perfect Christian right now, but everyday I become closer to becoming more Christ-like. Everytime I sin, I repent and cry myself out to God asking for forgiveness.

You have to understand, I am not saying these things to accuse any of you but making a point. I am saying to not be divided for the sake of those who are not Christians. I know we all have our differences, but we have to put aside our traditions because we are all the body of Christ.

Speaking of which, try going from a full sexual relationship to a no-touch sexual relationship overnight. It is impossible. You can't put the brakes on the car that is moving. It takes time for the car to slow down and stop, which is what I have been doing.

Needless to say, I am not having sex right now, but while in the process of doing so, stumbled quite a bit.

To answer your question I will say this:

I do my best to live my life according to Christ with God in mind, but I stumble sometimes. It could be a simple thing such as a frustation. No Christian is perfect, but we strive our best to love others and serve our God with all our mind, body, and soul. If we stumble by chance, we ask God for forgiveness. He is very understanding, very loving, very compassionate. After all, He is the one who came down from Heaven to save me and nail all my sins to the cross.



God is the ultimate judge on things. But for the sake of non christians we can't be divided. That is the statement I was making.

Dude I respect your post and I admire you. You wrote credible info and what you believe. You're doing your best, and that's all that can be asked. We all stumble, etc... I have issues with people that say "flesh of the sin"..but that's me. It's part of an entire group of Christians that i have never been a part of. Again, not bashing..just stating...that is VERY denominational. We are flesh people. We are born sinners. It is who we are. In denying ourselves, we also have to accept that we are people. I don't consider my body sinful. None of my Christian friends, family, my entire life have ever felt this. However, I do very much know it is part of many fundamentalist beliefs. Sure, we know sex outside of marriage is not right...I don't lose sleep over it however. Violence, drugs, hate, etc...are more of my concern. perhaps if I had children, it would be much more of a topic of concern. However, as I've said before...while we are told sin is sin...we all say that, BUT, we know that it is not. No one can honestly say to me they would think the sin of the man that a daughter had sex with, vs the sin of murder for the man that killed a daughter is the same. It is not. So to me, as human on Earth..there is sin (working on Sunday) and there is SIN (murder). I'm not pretending to be God and making my own rules...I'm just saying what most people think, rather what they say. Easy to sit here and type about it, until GOD FORBID it happens to any of us.

As for sex..yes, of course i wouldn't want my kids to have sex but guess what...it's going to happen. Do I play stupid and stick my head in the ground, or do I talk to them about it, and talk about birth control?? Not only to prevent yet another unwanted pregnancy, but also disease. It's a very tough road, and everyone must take that road as they see fit.

 

[RMDY]

Dude I respect your post and I admire you. You wrote credible info and what you believe. You're doing your best, and that's all that can be asked. We all stumble, etc... I have issues with people that say "flesh of the sin"..but that's me. It's part of an entire group of Christians that i have never been a part of. Again, not bashing..just stating...that is VERY denominational. We are flesh people. We are born sinners. It is who we are. In denying ourselves, we also have to accept that we are people. I don't consider my body sinful. None of my Christian friends, family, my entire life have ever felt this. However, I do very much know it is part of many fundamentalist beliefs. Sure, we know sex outside of marriage is not right...I don't lose sleep over it however. Violence, drugs, hate, etc...are more of my concern. perhaps if I had children, it would be much more of a topic of concern. However, as I've said before...while we are told sin is sin...we all say that, BUT, we know that it is not. No one can honestly say to me they would think the sin of the man that a daughter had sex with, vs the sin of murder for the man that killed a daughter is the same. It is not. So to me, as human on Earth..there is sin (working on Sunday) and there is SIN (murder). I'm not pretending to be God and making my own rules...I'm just saying what most people think, rather what they say. Easy to sit here and type about it, until GOD FORBID it happens to any of us.

As for sex..yes, of course i wouldn't want my kids to have sex but guess what...it's going to happen. Do I play stupid and stick my head in the ground, or do I talk to them about it, and talk about birth control?? Not only to prevent yet another unwanted pregnancy, but also disease. It's a very tough road, and everyone must take that road as they see fit.

Amen brother. God loves you.