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What would you as an annihilationist have said?

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I talked with a friend who isn't a Christian. Her old boyfriend took his life a few years ago. She was concerned where he would end up and asked me about hell. (I have told her before that God is merciful and that we are never to lose hope). I said some Christians believe in annihilation, that unbelievers will cease to exist after death. Then she said: "Like atheists believe happens to everyone?" I didn't know how to answer that. I finally said that those who will be destroyed will know exactly what they have missed out on. She took that answer well. I hope I haven't given her reason to stay an unbeliever. I don't even know if annihilation is correct. If you are an annihilationist, what would you have said? Would be good to know what to say next time.

Please don't use this thread to discuss if annihilation is correct or not.

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Why not answer by highlighting God's character, (love, just, forgiving) and then admit you just don't know? Because, you don't know. You're not obligated to determine the final destination of anyone. You can comfort her by pointing to God, and leave it at that. If you hold to a certain position, e.g. annihilation, you can still answer the same, "God is love, just, and forgiving. I don't know the outcome of you're loved one, but whatever it is it will be just what is needed from a loving God. Be at peace."
 
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Why not answer by highlighting God's character, (love, just, forgiving) and then admit you just don't know? Because, you don't know. You're not obligated to determine the final destination of anyone. You can comfort her by pointing to God, and leave it at that. If you hold to a certain position, e.g. annihilation, you can still answer the same, "God is love, just, and forgiving. I don't know the outcome of you're loved one, but whatever it is it will be just what is needed from a loving God. Be at peace."

It's not that I said I knew where he would end up. Maybe it sounded like that in my post? She was wondering about eternal torment as well, I didn't write down the whole conversation. I have made it clear to her before that God is merciful, and that we are never to lose hope.

Btw, edited the OP.
 
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I talked with a friend who isn't a Christian. Her old boyfriend took his life a few years ago. She was concerned where he would end up and asked me about hell. (I have told her before that God is merciful and that we are never to lose hope). I said some Christians believe in annihilation, that unbelievers will cease to exist after death. Then she said: "Like atheists believe happens to everyone?" I didn't know how to answer that. I finally said that those who will be destroyed will know exactly what they have missed out on. She took that answer well. I hope I haven't given her reason to stay an unbeliever. I don't even know if annihilation is correct. If you are an annihilationist, what would you have said? Would be good to know what to say next time.

Please don't use this thread to discuss if annihilation is correct or not.

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That reminds me of a time when someone asked me to pray for someone who had died, from what I experienced, I think he might have been in hell.

What happened as a result of my prayers? No idea, God only knows.
 
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There is a form of annihilationism called "conditional immortality". It assumes that immortality is a gift from God for the saved, thus those who are not saved do not have immortality and cannot be made to consciously suffer for eternity.

However, until the great white throne judgement and whatever punishment may be associated as a result of the judgement, the unsaved would spend the time in Hades.

In the story of the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man describes his time in Hades as "torment". The Greek word used is the word for touchstone (used to prove the purity of gold or silver). The word was also used of the torture applied to Greek slaves in a court proceeding to verify their testimony. It is only conjecture but the torment of Hades may be what results in the unsaved being brought to an acknowledgement of truth such that every knee will bend and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord.

One element that contributes confusion to the subject is the translation of the Greek word aionios as the English word eternal or everlasting. This meaning derives more from Augustinian neo-Platonism than from the actual word. In Greek the word is variable and can mean a length of time as short as the rule of a king or to a period of time called an "age". This is why Young's Literal Translation often translates it as "age" or "age lasting"

Given this particular view, one might have said, "Your boyfriend was in pain. He sought relief in the only way he saw possible. He may now find peace and truth such that he can finally let go of a life in which he could find no rest.
 
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I talked with a friend who isn't a Christian. Her old boyfriend took his life a few years ago. She was concerned where he would end up and asked me about hell. (I have told her before that God is merciful and that we are never to lose hope). I said some Christians believe in annihilation, that unbelievers will cease to exist after death. Then she said: "Like atheists believe happens to everyone?" I didn't know how to answer that. I finally said that those who will be destroyed will know exactly what they have missed out on. She took that answer well. I hope I haven't given her reason to stay an unbeliever. I don't even know if annihilation is correct. If you are an annihilationist, what would you have said? Would be good to know what to say next time.

When Jesus returns the 1st resurrection will happen and the saved are taken to heaven for the 1,000 years. Everyone else is destroyed and "goes to the grave) and awaits the 2nd resurrection.

The lost will be resurrected and after the battle of Armageddon takes place, God will indeed destroy them.

The difference with atheism is they do not believe in life after death (they are kind of correct), because they do not believe in God . So in that regard they (the lost) will live indeed live again briefly (2nd resurrection) until God executes final judgement and destroys the earth and everything in it.

In the very end sin must be destroyed ... to eliminate death and sin for eternity.

1st Corinthians 15:16

For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—
 
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I don't think my question came out very clear, but my concern is if annhilation rather that eternal punishment, gives atheists a reason to stay atheists. Like atheists can reason if we Christians are right, it doesn't make it worse than if we are wrong. Atheists will cease to exist either way.

Admins, would you be kind to move this thread where it's fit to discuss this? God bless!
 
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I talked with a friend who isn't a Christian. Her old boyfriend took his life a few years ago. She was concerned where he would end up and asked me about hell. (I have told her before that God is merciful and that we are never to lose hope). I said some Christians believe in annihilation, that unbelievers will cease to exist after death. Then she said: "Like atheists believe happens to everyone?" I didn't know how to answer that. I finally said that those who will be destroyed will know exactly what they have missed out on. She took that answer well. I hope I haven't given her reason to stay an unbeliever. I don't even know if annihilation is correct. If you are an annihilationist, what would you have said? Would be good to know what to say next time.

Please don't use this thread to discuss if annihilation is correct or not.

This is the Request for Christian Advice subforum, as you are aware, and exists for people to obtain "biblical advice from Christians." As a largely doctrinal matter, your question would, I think, be better put forward in the Controversial Christian Theology subforum. Annihilationism is a false doctrine, as far as I'm concerned and shouldn't be discussed in this subforum as though it is a perfectly orthodox and biblical view.
 
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I don't think my question came out very clear, but my concern is if annhilation rather that eternal punishment, gives atheists a reason to stay atheists. Like atheists can reason if we Christians are right, it doesn't make it worse than if we are wrong. Atheists will cease to exist either way.

Admins, would you be kind to move this thread where it's fit to discuss this? God bless!

I dont think so... what's better about annihilation than an eternity with God in paradise? You'd have to really hate God to think that's better!

(But Revelation 20:11-15 rather debunks the thought of annihilation... sorry, couldn't help it.. lol)
 
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This is the Request for Christian Advice subforum, as you are aware, and exists for people to obtain "biblical advice from Christians." As a largely doctrinal matter, your question would, I think, be better put forward in the Controversial Christian Theology subforum. Annihilationism is a false doctrine, as far as I'm concerned and shouldn't be discussed in this subforum as though it is a perfectly orthodox and biblical view.

I will try to get it moved.
 
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I talked with a friend who isn't a Christian. Her old boyfriend took his life a few years ago. She was concerned where he would end up and asked me about hell. (I have told her before that God is merciful and that we are never to lose hope). I said some Christians believe in annihilation, that unbelievers will cease to exist after death. Then she said: "Like atheists believe happens to everyone?" I didn't know how to answer that. I finally said that those who will be destroyed will know exactly what they have missed out on. She took that answer well. I hope I haven't given her reason to stay an unbeliever. I don't even know if annihilation is correct. If you are an annihilationist, what would you have said? Would be good to know what to say next time.

Please don't use this thread to discuss if annihilation is correct or not.

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You pretty much got it all. When people die they are dead until the resurrection. First the believers will be raised, then after the 1000 years the rest will be raised. Those not found in the Book Of Life will be case into the Lake of Fire, which is the second death. It's another death just like the first one. They will no longer exist.
 
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I dont think so... what's better about annihilation than an eternity with God in paradise? You'd have to really hate God to think that's better!

(But Revelation 20:11-15 rather debunks the thought of annihilation... sorry, couldn't help it.. lol)

That's also been my thought, that it's pointless to try to scare people into heaven.

I rather like it to be annihilation than eternal torment. The concept of hell/destruction/outer darkness is a hard one. I have given it over to God. He will do what is right.
 
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I rather like it to be annihilation than eternal torment. The concept of hell/destruction/outer darkness is a hard one. I have given it over to God. He will do what is right.

That's all anyone can do... :)
 
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There is a form of annihilationism called "conditional immortality". It assumes that immortality is a gift from God for the saved, thus those who are not saved do not have immortality and cannot be made to consciously suffer for eternity.
However, until the great white throne judgement and whatever punishment may be associated as a result of the judgement, the unsaved would spend the time in Hades.
You have been, what I can only call, criminally misinformed.
In the story of the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man describes his time in Hades as "torment". The Greek word used is the word for touchstone (used to prove the purity of gold or silver). The word was also used of the torture applied to Greek slaves in a court proceeding to verify their testimony. It is only conjecture but the torment of Hades may be what results in the unsaved being brought to an acknowledgement of truth such that every knee will bend and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord.
This is patently false. The Greek word "odunao," translated "torment" in Luke 16:24 does NOT mean touchstone. Here is the definition of that word from Bauer, Danker, Arndt, Gingrich one of, if not, the most highly accredited Greek lexicons currently available.

ὀδυνάω (ὀδύνη) pass. fut. 3 sg. ὀδυνηθήσεται LXX; aor. 3 sg. ὠδυνήθη 4 Macc 18:9 ‘cause pain’, in our lit. only pass. ὀδυνάομαι 2 pers. ὀδυνᾶσαι (B-D-F §87; W-S. §13, 17; Mlt-H. 198; Helbing p. 61) ‘feel pain’ (Trag. et al.; Democr. 159; Pla.; Vett. Val. ind.; LXX; TestJob 24:4; TestIss 7:5; ParJer 7:31).
to undergo physical torment, suffer pain (Aelian, NA 11, 32 p. 286, 28) περί τινος suffer pain for the sake of someone 1 Cl 16:4 (Is 53:4). Esp. of the tortures in Hades ὀδ. ἐν τῇ φλογί suffer torment in the flames Lk 16:24; cp. vs. 25.
to experience mental and spiritual pain, be pained/ distressed (Dio Chrys. 66 [16], 1; Alciphron 3, 14, 2; Philo, De Jos. 94 ὀδυνώμενος; Jos., Bell. 6, 183 ὀδυνώμενον) ὀδυνώμενοι ζητοῦμέν σε we have been anxiously looking for you Lk 2:48 (two persons of different sex are referred to with a masc. modifier, as Epici p. 20, 3 K. [p. 42, 60 B.] Achilles and Helen with αὐτούς) ὀδυνώμενοι μάλιστα ἐπὶ τῷ λόγῳ they were especially pained at his saying Ac 20:38 (ὀδυνᾶσθαι ἐπί τινι as Philo, Conf. Lingu. 92).—DELG s.v. ὀδύνη. M-M s.v. ὀδυνάομαι. TW.
Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 692). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.
You should consider running as fast as you can away from the people who taught you that.
See next post for response to the rest of the post.
 
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One element that contributes confusion to the subject is the translation of the Greek word aionios as the English word eternal or everlasting. This meaning derives more from Augustinian neo-Platonism than from the actual word. In Greek the word is variable and can mean a length of time as short as the rule of a king or to a period of time called an "age". This is why Young's Literal Translation often translates it as "age" or "age lasting"
Given this particular view, one might have said, "Your boyfriend was in pain. He sought relief in the only way he saw possible. He may now find peace and truth such that he can finally let go of a life in which he could find no rest.
“aionios” occurs 72x in the N.T.
“aionios” is translated world only 5 times in the N.T.
……….….………eternal 42 times in the N.T.
……….….………everlasting 25 times in the N.T.
Jesus used “aionios” twenty eight [28] times Jesus never uses “aionios” to refer something ordinary/mundane which was not/could not be “eternal.”
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In twenty four [24] of the following verses aion and aionios are defined/described as eternal, everlasting, eternity etc, by paralleling or juxtaposition with other adjectives or adjectival phrases.
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…..Some people claim that “aion/aionios” never means eternity/eternal because they sometimes refer to things which are not eternal.
However, neither word is ever defined/described, by other adjectives or adjectival phrases, as meaning a period of time less than eternal, in the New Testament, as in the following verses.
…..Jesus used “aionios” twenty eight [28] times. He never used “aionios” to refer to anything ordinary or mundane that was not or could not be eternal.
…..In the following ten verses Jesus defines “aionios” as “eternal.”

[1] Luke 1:33
(33) And he shall reign [basileusei][Vb] over the house of Jacob for ever; [aionas] and of his kingdom [basileias][Nn] there shall be no end.[telos]
In this verse the reign/basileusei, which is the verb form of the word, is "aionas" and of the kingdom/basileias, the noun form of the same word, "there shall be no end.” “Aionas” by definition here means eternal.
[2] John 6:58
(58) This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.[aionios]
In this verse Jesus juxtaposes “aionios life” with “death.” If “live aionios” is only a finite period, a finite period is not opposite “death.” Thus “aionios” by definition here means “eternal.”
[3] John 10:28
(28) I give them eternal [aionios] life, and they shall never [aion] perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
In this verse Jesus parallels “aionios” and “aion” with “[not] snatch them out of my hand.” If “aion/aionios” means “age(s), a finite period,” that is not the opposite of “[not] snatch them out of my hand’” “Aionios life” by definition here means “eternal life.”
[4]John 3:15
(15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal [aionion] life.
[5] John 3:16
(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting [aionion] life.
In these two verses Jesus parallels “aionion” with “should not perish.” Believers could eventually perish in a finite period, thus by definition “aionion life” here means eternal or everlasting life.[/indent]
Note: If "aionios" does not mean eternal, everlasting etc. Jesus could not have used the word in these two verses.

[6]John 5:24
(24) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting [aionios] life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
In this verse Jesus parallels “aionios” with “shall not come into condemnation” and “passed from death unto life.” “Aionios” does not mean “a finite period,” by definition here it means “eternal,” unless Jesus lets His followers come into condemnation and pass into death.
[7]John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting [aionios] life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
In this verse Jesus juxtaposed aionios life with “shall not see life.” If aionios means an indefinite age that is not opposite “shall not see life” By definition aionios means eternal.
[8]John 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never [ου μη/ou mé] thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting [aionios] life.
In this verse Jesus paralleled aionios with “shall [ου μη/ou mé][fn] never thirst.” If aionios means an indefinite age that is not opposite “shall never thirst.” By definition aionios means eternal. See note [fn] on “ou mé” below.
[9]John 6:27
(27) Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting [aionios] life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
In this verse Jesus contrasted “aionios meat” with “meat that perishes” If aionios means an indefinite age that is not opposite “meat that perishes.” By definition aionios means eternal.
[10]John 8:51
(51) Very truly [amen amen] I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never [ou mé eis ton aiona][fn] see death."
In this verse Jesus juxtaposes “unto aion” with “never see death.” By definition “aion” means eternity.

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Paul used the word “aionios” eleven [11] times. It is translated “eternal/everlasting” 20 times and world 3 times. In the following 12 verses Paul defines “aionios” as eternal.

[11]Romans 5:21
(21) That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal [aionios] life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
In this verse Paul juxtaposes “aionios life” with death. “A finite period life” is not opposite death. “Aionios life” by definition here means ‘eternal life.”
[12]Ephesians 3:21
(21) to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever [tou aionios] and ever! [ton aionion] Amen.
In this verse Paul parallels “tou aionios ton aionion” with “throughout all generations.” "Age(s)" a finite period cannot refer to "all generations." By definition “tou aionios ton aionion” means forever and ever.
[13]Romans 1:20
(20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal [aidios] power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
[14]Romans 16:26
(26) But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting [aionios] God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
In Rom 1:20 Paul refers to God’s power and Godhead as “aidios.” Scholars agree “aidios” unquestionably means eternal, everlasting, unending etc. In Rom 16:26, Paul, the same writer, in the same writing, refers to God as “aionios.” Paul has used “aidios” synonymous with “aionios.” In this verse by definition “aionios” means eternal, everlasting.
[15]2 Corinthians 4:17-18
(17) For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal [aionios] weight of glory;
(18) While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal;[proskairos] but the things which are not seen are eternal [aionios]
In this passage Paul juxtaposes “aionios” with “for a moment,” vs. 4, and “temporal,” vs. 5. “Age(s)” an indeterminate finite period, it is not the opposite of “for a moment”/”temporal/temporary” “eternal” is. “Aionios” by definition here means “eternal.”
[16]2 Corinthians 5:1
(1) For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal [aionios] in the heavens.
In this verse Paul juxtaposes “aionios house” with “earthly house which is destroyed.” Is God going to replace our destroyed earthly house with a house which only lasts a little longer and will be destroyed at the end of an age? The aionios house is not destroyed, the opposite of “is destroyed.” Thus, “aionios” by definition here means “eternal.”
[17]1 Timothy 6:16
(16) Who only hath immortality, [aphthartos] dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting [aionios]
In this verse Paul paralleled “aionios” with “immortality.” If “aionios” is only a finite period, God cannot be “immortal” and only exist for a finite period at the same time. Thus “aionios” by definition means “eternal.”
[18]Galatians 6:8
(8) For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; [fthora] but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. [aionios]
In this verse Paul juxtaposes “aionios” with “corruption.” “Fleshly” people reap “corruption” but spiritual people reap “life aionios,” i.e. “not corruption.” “Age(s), a finite period, is not opposite of “corruption.” Thus “aionios life” by definition here means “eternal/everlasting life.”
[19]Romans 2:7
(7) To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, [apftharsia] he will give eternal [aionios] life.
In this verse Paul parallels “aionios” with “immortality.” If “aionios” is only a finite period, believers do not seek for “a finite period,” and “immortality” at the same time. But they can seek for “eternal life” and “immortality” at the same time. Thus by definition “aionios life” here means “eternal life.”
[20]1 Timothy 1:17.
(17) Now unto the King eternal, [aion] immortal, [aphthartos] invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever [aion] and ever [aionios]. Amen.
In this verse Paul parallels “aion” with “immortal.” “Aion” cannot mean “age(s),” a finite period and immortal at the same time. Thus “aion” by definition here means “eternal.”
[21]Romans 5:21
(21) That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal [aionios] life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
In this verse Paul juxtaposes “aionios life” with death. “A finite period life” is not opposite death. “Aionios life” by definition here means ‘eternal life.”
[22]Ephesians 3:21
(21) to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever [tou aionios] and ever! [ton aionion] Amen.
In this verse Paul parallels “tou aionios ton aionion” with “throughout all generations.” "Age(s)" a finite period cannot refer to "all generations." By definition “tou aionios ton aionion” means forever and ever.
[23]Hebrews 7:24 but because Jesus lives forever [aion] he has an unchangeable [aparabatos] priesthood.
In this verse “aion” is parallel with “unchangeable.” If “aion” means “age(s),” Jesus cannot continue for only a “finite period” and simultaneously be “unchangeable.” Thus “aion” by definition here means “eternal.”
[24]1 Peter 1:23
(23) For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, [aphthartos] through the living and enduring word of God. …
1 Peter 1:25
(25) but the word of the Lord endures forever.[aion] " And this is the word that was preached to you.
In verse 23 Peter parallels “word of God” with “imperishable.” The same writer, Peter, in the same writing 1 Peter, in verse 25 writes the word of God “endures eis ton aiona/unto eternity. ” The word of God is not a finite age long but imperishable. Thus by definition “aion” here means “eternity”
[25]1 Peter 5:10
(10) And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal [aionion] glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, [oligon] will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast.
In this verse Peter contrasted “aionios” with “little while” Jesus does not give His followers a finite period of glory then they eventually die. Thus “aionios” here, by definition, means “eternal.”
[26]Revelation 14:11
(11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:[eis aionas aionon] and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
In this verse “aionas aionon torment” is paralleled with “no rest day or night.” If “aionas, aionon” means “a finite period” at some time they would rest, “Aionas, aionon” by definition here means “forever and forever.”
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Footnotes ου μη/ou mé
●The double negative [ου μη] signifies in nowise, by no means. Θεωρήσῃ[theōrésé], denoting steady, protracted vision, is purposely used, because the promise contemplates the entire course of the believer's life in Christ. It is not, shall not die forever, but shall live eternally.[Vincent word studies]
● ④οὐ marker of reinforced negation, in combination w. μή, οὐ μή has the effect of strengthening the negation (Kühner-G. II 221–23; Schwyzer II 317; Mlt. 187–92 [a thorough treatment of NT usage]; B-D-F §365; RLudwig: D. prophet. Wort 31 ’37, 272–79; JLee, NovT 27, ’85, 18–23; B-D-F §365.—Pla., Hdt. et al. [Kühner-G. loc. cit.]; SIG 1042, 16; POxy 119, 5, 14f; 903, 16; PGM 5, 279; 13, 321; LXX; TestAbr A 8 p. 85, 11 [Stone p. 46]; JosAs 20:3; GrBar 1:7; ApcEsdr 2:7; Just., D. 141, 2). οὐ μή is the most decisive way of negativing something in the future.

Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000)A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian Literature.(3rd Ed). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.
● The combinations with οὐ μή also be noticed as, ουδεν οὐ μή (Lu. 10:19); οὐ μή se σε άνο ουδ ου σε εγκαταιπο (Heb. 13:5); ουκετι οὐ μή (Rev. 18:14). There is no denying the power of this accumulation of negatives. Cf. the English hymn "I'll never, no never, no never forsake."
Grammar Of The Greek New Testament In The Light Of Historical Research
By A. T. Robertson, M.A., D.D., Ll.D., Litt.D. p.1165.
 
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I find it very compelling that under Mosaic law, even the very worst punishment could go no further than the death penalty. There was never a punishment that dictated perpetual flogging every day while the person was tormented in prison. Even the stripes given in punishment for lesser infractions could NEVER exceed 40 strokes, "lest thy brother seem vile unto thee", God said. In executing punishment for sin, God always remembered mercy.

The same God with the same reputation for mercy will be the final judge. As Job said, "Shall not the judge of all the earth do right?"
 
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I find it very compelling that under Mosaic law, even the very worst punishment could go no further than the death penalty. There was never a punishment that dictated perpetual flogging every day while the person was tormented in prison. Even the stripes given in punishment for lesser infractions could NEVER exceed 40 strokes, "lest thy brother seem vile unto thee", God said. In executing punishment for sin, God always remembered mercy.
The same God with the same reputation for mercy will be the final judge. As Job said, "Shall not the judge of all the earth do right?"
So you think that God is somehow constrained by what mortal men can or cannot do?
 
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Not sure how you extract the idea of a "Constraint" put upon God from what I wrote....

In the same way God told Adam what the consequences would be for disobedience, under Mosaic law, the people knew what consequences God had decreed for certain offenses. What I can learn from the list of punishments decreed by God for ancient Israel is that He was not and is not invested in sadistic torment with no end for any sins committed by mankind. Forty stripes was the limit God put on the sentence the judge passed down to the offender under Mosaic law - not endless flogging. Yet if the offense was egregious enough, the very worst punishment decreed by God for that sin was the death penalty - not endless torment. Over and done with.

When it comes time to interpret passages that SEEM to show perpetual suffering for all eternity, we have to reconcile them with these other exhibitions of God's mercy in scripture, even for the wicked. That and the fact that our understanding of the intended meaning behind the ancient languages' terminology is not always correct.
 
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