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What would you as an annihilationist have said?

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You can insult my intelligence all you like, but I believe the Scriptures stand in what they say in defense on Conditional Immortality. It’s not a mystery that you love to talk about this topic (for some odd reason), so there is no point in discussing this with you so as to convince you because your mind is already closed to CI. It does not matter what verses are presented. You simply reject them in favor of what you believe. But we need to be good Bereans and not just accept what the church blindly feeds us.
I am not the one who blindly accepts what "the church" or in your case some anonymous person online feeds you.
Aren't you the one who copy/pasted pages and pages from some anonymous web site and blindly accepted everything they said without question.
I attended S.S. as a child when FDR was president but did not become a Christian until my mid 20s when LBJ was president, seldom attending church in between. Maybe a dozen times.
I questioned everything from day one. Unlike you and many others I had nothing to unlearn. And I don't copy/paste entire posts from someone else. Everything I post I have researched myself.
I don't reject anything without explaining why. The usual reason is quoting out-of-context.
 
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I am not the one who blindly accepts what "the church" or in your case some anonymous person online feeds you.
Aren't you the one who copy/pasted pages and pages from some anonymous web site and blindly accepted everything they said without question?
I attended S.S. as a child when FDR was president but did not become a Christian until my mid 20s when LBJ was president, seldom attending church in between. Maybe a dozen times.
I questioned everything from day one. Unlike you and many others I had nothing to unlearn. And I don't copy/paste entire posts from someone else. Everything I post I have researched myself.
I don't reject anything without explaining why. The usual reason is quoting out-of-context.

You did copy and paste the Jewish beliefs. So that’s like the kettle calling the pot black. Also, not all of what I write is copy and pasted. But sometimes people do say it better than I can. Again, I don’t see the fruitfulness of bringing up this point. Throwing around credentials means nothing to God and what His Word actually says. If something is true, it will be true regardless of what you and or I say. I believe the standard is the Bible and the goodness of God. But can you make a real life example or parable to defend ECT? You cannot. I know. I tried when I used to be ECT. It just doesn’t work. Yet, the Canaanite woman was able to illustrate spiritual truth by telling one. This is where your belief in ECT starts to crumble.
 
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The usual ill thought out meaningless response.
Everything you posted is irrelevant. It was all prophesied. Your illogical guess "does not mean it is true" means nothing.
The Jews taught and believed in a place of everlasting, unending fiery punishment and they called it both "Gehenna and Hades" in the 225 BC LXX.
And Jesus, Himself, used the same two words, "Gehenna and Hades," to refer to a place of fiery eternal punishment. See scripture in my previous post
Jesus undoubtedly knew what the Jews taught about "hell." If there was no fiery hell, eternal punishment etc. why would Jesus use the same words "Gehenna" and "Hades" to refer to such a place?

Again, my points stand in that the Jews are not a trustworthy source because of the aforementioned things I already brought up. So your saying that what I said is a meaningless response is simply not true. We all know the Jews rejected their Messiah, and many believers realize that the Jews had a “Works Alone Salvation” (with little to no grace) type mindset.
 
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Again, my points stand in that the Jews are not a trustworthy source because of the aforementioned things I already brought up. So your saying that what I said is a meaningless response is simply not true. We all know the Jews rejected their Messiah, and many believers realize that the Jews had a “Works Alone Salvation” (with little to no grace) type mindset.
Totally irrelevant to my post as I have shown. No matter how many times you post this biased nonsense it will never be relevant to anything I posted or will post.
 
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You did copy and paste the Jewish beliefs. So that’s like the kettle calling the pot black. Also, not all of what I write is copy and pasted. But sometimes people do say it better than I can. Again, I don’t see the fruitfulness of bringing up this point. Throwing around credentials means nothing to God and what His Word actually says. If something is true, it will be true regardless of what you and or I say. I believe the standard is the Bible and the goodness of God. But can you make a real life example or parable to defend ECT? You cannot. I know. I tried when I used to be ECT. It just doesn’t work. Yet, the Canaanite woman was able to illustrate spiritual truth by telling one. This is where your belief in ECT starts to crumble.
What does the Canaanite woman have to do with ECT? Unlike your post, I don't quote anonymous websites. I quoted two Jewish encyclopedias and the Jewish Talmud. There may be other credible sources that I am not aware of. If you know of a more reliable source which documents the Jewish belief and practices, before and during the time of Jesus please let me know.
It is incomprehensible that you don't know the difference between credible sources and anonymous blogs.
You are welcome to try to use your "Canaanite woman" argument to disprove all the quotes by Jesus.
 
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What does the Canaanite woman have to do with ECT? Unlike your post, I don't quote anonymous websites. I quoted two Jewish encyclopedias and the Jewish Talmud. There may be other credible sources that I am not aware of. If you know of a more reliable source which documents the Jewish belief and practices, before and during the time of Jesus please let me know.
It is incomprehensible that you don't know the difference between credible sources and anonymous blogs.
You are welcome to try to use your "Canaanite woman" argument to disprove all the quotes by Jesus.

Did you ever just stop and think what a parable is? Parables made by Jesus and the Canaanite woman are based on things that happen in the real world or real life. My point to this is that ECT cannot be illustrated as being true by way of a real world example like the Parables that Jesus made and or the parable that the Canaanite woman made. So if a belief is shown to be bankrupt by way of a real example, then it is a good bet that belief is false. For real life teaches us about fair justice. Only in an unreal world is there such a thing called unfair justice with God. But that is what ECT wants me to believe. It wants me to shut off my brain in regards to fair justice.

For Abraham asked, “Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” (Genesis 18:25).

The obvious answer to this question is…. Yes. Of course. God always does what is right.
But you know deep down that punishing a person infinitely for a finite amount of crimes is unjust.
 
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Did you ever just stop and think what a parable is? Parables made by Jesus and the Canaanite woman are based on things that happen in the real world or real life. My point to this is that ECT cannot be illustrated as being true by way of a real world example like the Parables that Jesus made and or the parable that the Canaanite woman made. So if a belief is shown to be bankrupt by way of a real example, then it is a good bet that belief is false. For real life teaches us about fair justice. Only in an unreal world is there such a thing called unfair justice with God. But that is what ECT wants me to believe. It wants me to shut off my brain in regards to fair justice.
For Abraham asked, “Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” (Genesis 18:25).
The obvious answer to this question is…. Yes. Of course. God always does what is right.
But you know deep down that punishing a person infinitely for a finite amount of crimes is unjust.
Nonsense! A phony , made up pseudo-rule concocted as an attempt to support false teachings.
When God destroyed all the people in the world, except 8, by water; old, young, men, women, infants, children does that fit with your understanding of "just?"
When God destroyed all the inhabitants of Sodom, Gomorrah and the cities of the plain except for Lot and his family, by fire; men, women, old, you, children, infants was that just according to your understanding of "just?"
When God told the Israelites to go into Canaan and kill all the inhabitants; men, women, old, you, children, infants was that just?
Would that be a "just" punishment for crimes in the world today?
Do you actually think that one phony concocted "rule" negates all the scripture and history I quoted?
Show me something from a scholar Phd, ThD etc.
 
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Nonsense! A phony , made up pseudo-rule concocted as an attempt to support false teachings.
When God destroyed all the people in the world, except 8, by water; old, young, men, women, infants, children does that fit with your understanding of "just?"
When God destroyed all the inhabitants of Sodom, Gomorrah and the cities of the plain except for Lot and his family, by fire; men, women, old, you, children, infants was that just according to your understanding of "just?"
When God told the Israelites to go into Canaan and kill all the inhabitants; men, women, old, you, children, infants was that just?
Would that be a "just" punishment for crimes in the world today?
Do you actually think that one phony concocted "rule" negates all the scripture and history I quoted?
Show me something from a scholar Phd, ThD etc.

So you are saying parables like the Parable of the Sower and all the other parables were entirely fictional fantasy? A plant growing to bear fruit and another plant not making it because of bad rocky soil and another plant not making it because it was choked by thorns is fantasy and unreal and does not happen in the real world? We are not talking about mutant pirate ninja zombies riding giant sized albino squirrels that breath fire here.

As for God wiping out entire people like in the global flood and other places of the OT:

Well, they were sinful people and they did not want God in their life. Also, God has a right to take away life (Seeing He created life). For God is the giver and taker of life. Nothing in life happens by accident. Also, this life is a stage. Everyone continues on after death as a spirit. But babies are innocent. If they die, they go to God’s kingdom. So there is no injustice with God.
 
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So you are saying parables like the Parable of the Sower and all the other parables were entirely fictional fantasy? A plant growing to bear fruit and another plant not making it because of bad rocky soil and another plant not making it because it was choked by thorns is fantasy and unreal and does not happen in the real world? We are not talking about mutant pirate ninja zombies riding giant sized albino squirrels that breath fire here.
How do you get parables? I was talking about God destroying millions, thousands of people; old, young, men, women, children, infants
As for God wiping out entire people like in the global flood and other places of the OT:
Well, they were sinful people and they did not want God in their life. Also, God has a right to take away life (Seeing He created life). For God is the giver and taker of life. Nothing in life happens by accident. Also, this life is a stage. Everyone continues on after death as a spirit. But babies are innocent. If they die, they go to God’s kingdom. So there is no injustice with God.
So you believe that all the people that were killed in the flood, in Sodom etc. all the cities in Canaan were all sinners and deserved horrible deaths even children and infants?
 
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How do you get parables?

Your not getting it. Jesus made a short parable, and the Canaanite woman was able to expound upon his parable by making her own parable by saying that even the dogs eat from the crumbs that fall from the master’s table. Jesus did not rebuke her and say that only He could make parables or real life examples to illustrate spiritual truth of the kingdom.

My point here is that if the Canaanite woman could make a real life example to illustrate spiritual truth, then so can we. So if this is the case, then ECT fails to deliver because it does not pass the parable test.

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I was talking about God destroying millions, thousands of people; old, young, men, women, children, infants

So you believe that all the people that were killed in the flood, in Sodom etc. all the cities in Canaan were all sinners and deserved horrible deaths even children and infants?

Again, I have already answered this.

1. They are sinners in deserving of punishment.
2. God is the giver and taker of life.
3. The wicked continue to live on as spirit until the judgment.
4. God did not torture the wicked alive for a long period of time before killing them.
5. Death is usually swift.

The only way death would be horrible is if they were 100% innocent. But we know that Jesus was the only One who was 100% innocent and He died for all of mankind who was sinful. It was horrible in what the Son of God had to go through in order to pay the price for man’s sins. But Jesus did so because He loves us and wants us to have a relationship with Him (Who is God).
 
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My point here is that if the Canaanite woman could make a real life example to illustrate spiritual truth, then so can we. So if this is the case, then ECT fails to deliver because it does not pass the parable test.
That the Canaanite woman used a parable and we can use parables that is NOT a requirement that anyone use parables to verify anything.
Again, I have already answered this.
1. They are sinners in deserving of punishment.
2. God is the giver and taker of life.
3. The wicked continue to live on as spirit until the judgment.
4. God did not torture the wicked alive for a long period of time before killing them.
5. Death is usually swift.
The only way death would be horrible is if they were 100% innocent. But we know that Jesus was the only One who was 100% innocent and He died for all of mankind who was sinful. It was horrible in what the Son of God had to go through in order to pay the price for man’s sins. But Jesus did so because He loves us and wants us to have a relationship with Him (Who is God).
And your argument is that even the infants and children were "sinners deserving of punishment?" #3 evidence? #4 irrelevant #5 death by fire and water is not instantaneous.
 
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