What would the pope do...

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Pope breaks taboo by marrying couples who lived 'in sin'

 

[Anhelyna]

Strikes me that your title for the thread is as odds with the report.

HH has married these people and we do not know what counselling was given to them , nor what preparation was required . We have no idea if they were cohabiting at the time [ or in the period running up to the marriage ] of their marriage.

 

[ArmyMatt]

I guess we will find out when this synod to discuss things like marriage, divorce, etc will meet. Lord have mercy!

 

[~Anastasia~]

Maybe I just like to be charitable, and it CERTAINLY isn't for me to say either way - but it sounds more like pastoral wisdom than perhaps clinging to rules when they might not be in the person's best interest?

Not my place to judge though - let me say that again.

 

[MilesVitae]

Without even checking other sources I already am skeptical of the article - my eyes were rolling most of the way through it.
There are no moral issues or rules within the Catholic Church against marrying couples who have been married before (assuming we're talking about properly annulled marriages, etc. - granted, though, I think there is probably an issue with far too many annulments in the Catholic Church, at least here in the USA) or single mothers, or baptizing the children of single or unmarried parents. I don't find anything scandalizing or tradition-shattering about it at all. The author of the article obviously mistakenly thinks, or is trying to make it seem as though, the Pope is breaking or at least bending some kind of traditional practice of the Church. So, that being said, I wouldn't be surprised if "couples who have been living in sin" refers to something pretty innocuous.

 

[gzt]

Let's see... couple lives "in sin", realizes they're doing wrong, desire to return to the Church, and part of making that right is getting married, of course. So... they return to the Church and as part of that get married. Alleluia, the prodigals have returned. What part of this narrative are we supposed to object to? If it's the parts before the "return to the Church and as part of that get married", they know it was wrong, that's why they're back in Church and now married. If it's the get married part, what, should they continue to live "in sin"? I'm not sure what people want here. Was it the return to Church part?

 

[ArmyMatt]

Let's see... couple lives "in sin", realizes they're doing wrong, desire to return to the Church, and part of making that right is getting married, of course. So... they return to the Church and as part of that get married. Alleluia, the prodigals have returned. What part of this narrative are we supposed to object to? If it's the parts before the "return to the Church and as part of that get married", they know it was wrong, that's why they're back in Church and now married. If it's the get married part, what, should they continue to live "in sin"? I'm not sure what people want here. Was it the return to Church part?

I think it's the legalism in Rome. I saw a similar article on yahoo, that many Catholics are pretty irked at this, but it would not be an issue if the West were not so legalistic. in fact, I am pretty sure for us, it would not be an issue at all. so I don't think it is the return or anything that has this as somewhat controversial.

 

[~Anastasia~]

I know of an unmarried young woman who has a baby and who desires to become a catechumen.

No one raised an eyebrow. If she wants to join the Church - Thank God is all I can think to say.

What are we supposed to do? Stone her to death? Throw her out?

She's planning to marry the baby's father. Maybe we shouldn't let her? Throw him out of the Church? Refuse to baptize the baby?

I'm not sure the point of the article either? I don't know a thing about the Catholic opinion of what ought to be done in such cases, but I know of plenty of Catholic charities who support young women who get pregnant out of wedlock, and help them get jobs and raise their babies.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

You hit the nail on the HEAD, Matt! That's what I was thinking. This whole situation with the Pope and these couples has ECONOMIA written all over it....mercy, understanding, compassion, and allowing for weakness and trying to turn it into strength as the couples recognize the VIRTUE of marriage! To let them languish in this state would be absurd. I don't see what all the hoopla is about anyway? I would think this would be a no-brainer.

The Catholics are learning economia...now if we can just get them to drop that pesky filioque junk and the papal claims, we're halfway there!

The word is, though, that the Pope didn't marry a couple that included a guy who was the Kavorka!

I think it's the legalism in Rome. I saw a similar article on yahoo, that many Catholics are pretty irked at this, but it would not be an issue if the West were not so legalistic. in fact, I am pretty sure for us, it would not be an issue at all. so I don't think it is the return or anything that has this as somewhat controversial.

 

[ArmyMatt]

The Catholics are learning economia...now if we can just get them to drop that pesky filioque junk and the papal claims, we're halfway there!

hahaha, but I think that shows the major issue. it depends on the Pope. a more flexible Pope and you see good stuff like this (and I agree, the hullabaloo is odd), but what happens when a more hard liner assumes the throne?

 

[SeventhValley]

If he was marrying remarried couples..that is a sin.

Either you accept some sin(economia)as better than letting them go about. Jesus said every time a remarried person has sex is a sin. This is the same as gay sex. So you accept remarried and gay marriage or you should not accept remarriage.

Now you will say but it still looks like a regular marriage...well Jesus had something to say about whitewashed tombs...

I talked with the priest of my local parish about this a bit but he just seems to shrug and say nobody is perfect.

That is ok but atheists I know are more moral and consistent than Christians and they don't even have a holy book or tradition!

 

[ArmyMatt]

Either you accept some sin(economia)as better than letting them go about. Jesus said every time a remarried person has sex is a sin. This is the same as gay sex. So you accept remarried and gay marriage or you should not accept remarriage.

no it is not. in remarriage, one can still struggle for Godliness with the other. there is nothing like that with homosexuality at all. like has been said a million times over, this is case by case.