What would happen to the creation/evolution debate...

[Jonaitis]

Try reading the posts on this forum.

Most Christians accept evolution at some level. The educated ones, for the most part. The ones that don't are generally the fanatics.

I disagree, you cannot reconcile the fundamental beliefs of the Christian faith with anything beyond adaptation.

 

[Phil W]

Creationist beliefs are in decline not growing. I suspect education is a contributing factor since there are inverse correlations between educational attainment and beliefs in creationism coupled with trends in increased educational attainment in younger generations.

Don't you mean "lack of education"?
The "system" has removed any evidence of God from the "schools", so it is hardly a fair fight.
If parents had the love of God in them, they would never have allowed a "government" to hi-jack the minds of their children.

When you look at the stats, they don't paint a rosy picture for the future of creationism.

No, they don't.
Thank God for the home-schoolers.

 

[inquiring mind]

Well, you have no science background at all, so how would you know?
You never present evidence for creationism, and all of your posts and threads are just shallow witnessing.

Don't miss your next class.

 

[JohnAshton]

I am not concerned at all with confirmation creationism.

 

[SLP]

I disagree, you cannot reconcile the fundamental beliefs of the Christian faith with anything beyond adaptation.

Well, then your religion is wrong.

 

[SLP]

Don't miss your next class.

Was giving an exam. But I won't. Pity you never took one.

 

[Jonaitis]

Well, then your religion is wrong.

Nice argument. Totally convincing.

 

[expos4ever]

I think evolution-denial has little to do with education and everything to do with political/religious tribalism.

 

[SLP]

The "system" has removed any evidence of God from the "schools", so it is hardly a fair fight.

What "evidence" was removed?

If parents had the love of God in them, they would never have allowed a "government" to hi-jack the minds of their children.

maybe they were just better educated.

Thank God for the home-schoolers.

Yup - the under-educated instructing the never-will-be-educated.

 

[Speedwell]

I disagree, you cannot reconcile the fundamental beliefs of the Christian faith with anything beyond adaptation.

You are getting beyond yourself when you speak on behalf of the Christian Faith in this. You don't speak for all Christians.

 

[SLP]

Nice argument. Totally convincing.

Just as convincing as yours. Why take the time to mount an argument against an assertion, when the assertion was not an argument in the first place?

This is how the cre/evo 'debate' usually goes, actually - the creationist makes assertions and thinks they have made an argument, then demands a thesis in response (which they will ignore anyway).

 

[Jonaitis]

You are getting beyond yourself when you speak on behalf of the Christian Faith in this. You don't speak for all Christians.

I never said I am.

However, the bible is sufficient to represent the Christian view quite clearly without my "voice."

 

[JohnAshton]

The 'Christian view' in the Bible does not rule out evolution.

 

[Jonaitis]

The 'Christian view' in the Bible does not rule out evolution.

Yes...it does. Have you never read Genesis? It is quite clear.

 

[Speedwell]

Yes...it does. Have you never read Genesis? It is quite clear.

According to your doctrine, yes. It's self-fulfilling, really.

 

[Occams Barber]

I find this post insulting, insisting that creationists are against science and have little-to-no knowledge of a single field of study. There are Christian biologist, I hate to break that to you. There are Christian archaeologists too. We are discredited because we disagree with the modern-day majority view, and so whatever we say isn't considered "real" science, so we aren't heard loud enough and the work we do isn't appreciated by any.

Your idea that all creationist should take certain classes, leaning toward another bias, should clear up our "misunderstandings" and turn us against what we believe. How about studying from our end? Read up on the best our leading men in the field of biology. Let's see who really has the closed mind.

Creationist and Christian are not the same thing and equating the two is misleading. There are many Christians who accept evolution. Acceptance of evolution does not equate to atheism.

We are well aware that 'there are Christian biologists'. Here's one of their better known websites - Biologos. Visit the site to see evolution explained by Christians.

OB

 

[Jonaitis]

According to your doctrine, yes. It's self-fulfilling, really.

Sure, it is my "doctrine."

 

[Occams Barber]

Yes...it does. Have you never read Genesis? It is quite clear.

For an alternative Christian viewpoint, this book has been well recommended:

Understanding Scientific Theories of Origins - Cosmology, Geology & Biology in Christian Perspective
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It's written by Christians for Christians by five authors on the faculty of Wheaton College. All authors have PhD qualifications in their respective fields.
OB

 

[Jonaitis]

For an alternative Christian viewpoint, this book has been well recommended:

Understanding Scientific Theories of Origins - Cosmology, Geology & Biology in Christian Perspective
​

It's written by Christians for Christians by five authors on the faculty of Wheaton College. All authors have PhD qualifications in their respective fields.
OB

You don't need a PhD to understand Genesis, since it was originally written to an audience that likely had an education less than that of an 8th grader. You must consider the historical context of the inspired work, it wasn't solely written for the Information Era that we currently live in today. It was written in the common speech and understanding of those who lived 3,500 years ago. It says the world was created in six days, they would not have understood it in any other way. It says Adam was formed from the dust of the earth, they had no concept of human evolution to connect this with. You are reading the text through your modern lens, that's the problem.

 

[SLP]

I never said I am.

However, the bible is sufficient to represent the Christian view quite clearly without my "voice."

I never said I am, but really I am.