What Would Falsify the Flood?

[HitchSlap]

No, and I wouldn't care if another source did exist.

I couldn't care less if extra-Biblical sources either confirm or deny Biblical stories.

The Bible says it, that settles it.

Put another way, I don't need a second opinion when it comes to the Bible.

Then you'll understand if I take your approach of reality with a grain of salt.

 

[Strathos]

No, and I wouldn't care if another source did exist.

I couldn't care less if extra-Biblical sources either confirm or deny Biblical stories.

The Bible says it, that settles it.

Put another way, I don't need a second opinion when it comes to the Bible.

But there are so many different translations of the Bible, and so many books and passages that were added, edited, removed... there wasn't even a coherent canon until 325 AD.

Have you ever read any of the Biblical Apocrypha? It was early church leaders who decided to leave it out but in my opinion it is potentially as valid as any other Scripture. Of course it's also been translated and altered a lot... but it's very interesting.

 

[AV1611VET]

You think the millennium has started already? Also this completely ignored my point.

Okay, Strathos, I'm getting the feeling you're being obtuse on purpose.

Let's recap this conversation.

1. I was asked how Jesus will disprove evolution, when Satan shows it to be a perfectly viable piece of history; and I answered by saying that Jesus could possibly take us back in history to Genesis 1 and show us, Himself.

2. You (or someone) asked me that, if it was different than what I expected, would I blame it on Satan?

3. No ... I would not blame it on Satan, as Satan will be bound in the Bottomless Pit, and blaming him would be foolish.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then you'll understand if I take your approach of reality with a grain of salt.

Have you ever done otherwise?

 

[AV1611VET]

But there are so many different translations of the Bible, and so many books and passages that were added, edited, removed... there wasn't even a coherent canon until 325 AD.

Have you ever read any of the Biblical Apocrypha? It was early church leaders who decided to leave it out but in my opinion it is potentially as valid as any other Scripture. Of course it's also been translated and altered a lot... but it's very interesting.

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[HitchSlap]

Have you ever done otherwise?

There was a time when I was a "bible thumper" too, but the scales fell from my eyes, and the truth set me free.

 

[AV1611VET]

There was a time when I was a "bible thumper" too, but the scales fell from my eyes, and the truth set me free.

I see by your user title who your saviour is; which jives with my th... er ... hypothesis that the Tribulation period will consist of Christianity vs. Scientism.

As my pastor once said, there are two ways a person can be 'born again:' by corruptible seed or by incorruptible.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

 

[HitchSlap]

I see by your user title who your saviour is; which jives with my th... er ... hypothesis that the Tribulation period will consist of Christianity vs. Scientism.

As my pastor once said, there are two ways a person can be 'born again:' by corruptible seed or by incorruptible.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

I predict your claimed hypothesis will never happen.

 

[USincognito]

Can we please stop letting AV make this thread about himself and get back to the topic - What Would Falsify the Flood?

 

[AV1611VET]

What Would Falsify the Flood?

Nephilim families.

 

[Split Rock]

Sure ... just build a time machine and go back to BC 4004 and have at it.

I can imagine Theistic Evolutionists getting a ride back in time ... compliments of the One reigning on the throne during the Millennial Reign ... and actually seeing God speak the universe into existence; and hanging their heads in shame at all the time they wasted because they thought it went down differently.

I can imagine Creationists getting a ride back in time.. compliments of the disembodied head of Charles Darwin... and actually seeing macro-evolution occurring over the millenia; and them hanging their heads in shame at all the time they wasted on their Holy War on science because they thought it went down differentially. So what.. its all just imagining.. like the ark built in New Jersey, and flood water wooshed over to Neptune and Adam speaking english and writing GEN 1 and 2, or the Anti-Christ proving abiogenesis and leading evil scientists on a bloody pogram against bible Christians.

 

[Strathos]

Okay, Strathos, I'm getting the feeling you're being obtuse on purpose.

Let's recap this conversation.

1. I was asked how Jesus will disprove evolution, when Satan shows it to be a perfectly viable piece of history; and I answered by saying that Jesus could possibly take us back in history to Genesis 1 and show us, Himself.

2. You (or someone) asked me that, if it was different than what I expected, would I blame it on Satan?

3. No ... I would not blame it on Satan, as Satan will be bound in the Bottomless Pit, and blaming him would be foolish.

You said "build a time machine" at first, not "let Jesus show you".

So let me bring it back to the core of the argument: If you could be taken back in time, via divine methods or otherwise, and be shown that the evolutionists were right all along, would that convince you you were wrong, or would you believe it was some sort of deception?

 

[Orogeny]

Are we to assume here that the flood is responsible for the sedimentary column?

 

[AV1611VET]

I can imagine Creationists getting a ride back in time.. compliments of the disembodied head of Charles Darwin... and actually seeing macro-evolution occurring over the millenia; and them hanging their heads in shame at all the time they wasted on their Holy War on science because they thought it went down differentially. So what.. its all just imagining.. like the ark built in New Jersey, and flood water wooshed over to Neptune and Adam speaking english and writing GEN 1 and 2, or the Anti-Christ proving abiogenesis and leading evil scientists on a bloody pogram against bible Christians.

What is this? my résumé?

 

[Mr Strawberry]

What is this? my résumé?

It must fill you with pride.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nephilim families.

We already went over this with how the Bible is mostly a collection of stories that grew with the telling.

You claimed that Goliath had Nephilim blood in him. Do you stand by that statement? I say that Goliath was not a giant by any means and was just a tall warrior. Hmm, who can provide Biblical evidence to support their claims.

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

Can we please stop letting AV make this thread about himself and get back to the topic - What Would Falsify the Flood?

The current geological strata of the planet. The observable fossil distribution. The Grand Canyon. Take your pick. Pretty much any of a hundred different observations disproves/falsifies the Flood.

 

[AV1611VET]

We already went over this with how the Bible is mostly a collection of stories that grew with the telling.

You mean you did. I don't agree with that. I believe the term you're referring to is called retrospective falsification; and I don't subscribe to it, as far as the Bible is concerned.

You claimed that Goliath had Nephilim blood in him. Do you stand by that statement?

Yes.

Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Notice the giants in the land, well after the Flood?

I say that Goliath was not a giant by any means and was just a tall warrior.

If that's what you believe, I won't dispute it. Perhaps Goliath was still just a "small boy" at the time.

 

[Split Rock]

What is this? my résumé?

Pretty much... did I miss anything?

 

[AV1611VET]

Pretty much... did I miss anything?

Just this one ...

Don't need a link.

The Ark was made of what the Bible calls 'gopher wood' -- which, of course, is nothing more than copper, mixed with trace elements, called "pitch" -- (probably carbon for hardness).

Keep in mind that Noah's predecessors were top-notch metallurgists.

Thus the Ark was a giant state-of-the Ark submarine, complete with periscope.