What Would Falsify the Flood?

[AV1611VET]

Why do you need for Jesus to come back and falsify "evolutionism?" If its wrong, shouldn't we be able to falsify it without him?

Sure ... just build a time machine and go back to BC 4004 and have at it.

I can imagine Theistic Evolutionists getting a ride back in time ... compliments of the One reigning on the throne during the Millennial Reign ... and actually seeing God speak the universe into existence; and hanging their heads in shame at all the time they wasted because they thought it went down differently.

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

Why do you need for Jesus to come back and falsify "evolutionism?" If its wrong, shouldn't we be able to falsify it without him?

That evolution is a fact even creationists agree with. The theory of evolution is tested countless times a year, and has not been falsified. We continue to argue (when I say we, I mean scientists - the only ones qualified to have opinions on the subject) about the various mechanisms of evolutionary development, but the fundamentals of the theory are sound. Far sounder that any theological apologetics I've ever seen.

Evolution: all the facts are on our side.

 

[AV1611VET]

Evolution: all the facts are on our side.

To a point.

Then you hit a missing link that you conveniently gloss over.

Then another, then another, then another, and so on.

I once used a person's OP to calculate some 288 trillion missing links.

 

[mzungu]

It's really quite simple.

Where miracles are involved, science must stand down and allow it to happen.

If science never took a hike, then the Ark would have been torn apart by stresses placed on it, Jesus could not have walked on water, etc.

Thus, if someone tells me the Flood could not have happened because E=MC[sup]2[/sup] or the Rapture cannot occur because G=m[sub]1[/sub]m[sub]2[/sub]/r[sup]2[/sup] ... they will get a "science can take a hike" from me.

Just as you expect one to accept the Bible in its entirety then should you accept science in its entirety. You cannot pick and choose what you like and discard what you don't like in both!

 

[AV1611VET]

Just as you expect one to accept the Bible in its entirety then should you accept science in its entirety.

Absolutely not.

My "religion" is Christianity, not Scientism; and I believe those two will go head-to-head with each other in the Tribulation period.

Starting with the Rapture, which is going to throw the scientific world completely off-balance and confuse scientists to no end, there will then start a series of events that defy science almost daily.

The scientific world is going to be in near total chaos; but then two men are going to step forward and put on demonstrations of unimaginable proportions, as they explain it all to them in terms so easy, a child could understand it.

This, of course, will win their approval, and when Jesus shows up at the end of the Tribulation to set up His kingdom, scientists will be frothing at the mouth to vanquish Him before He even gets started.

You cannot pick and choose what you like and discard what you don't like in both!

Yes, I can.

This is where my Boolean standards come in.

 

[46AND2]

To a point.

Then you hit a missing link that you conveniently gloss over.

Then another, then another, then another, and so on.

I once used a person's OP to calculate some 288 trillion missing links.

You didn't calculate anything, AV. You plugged a bunch of unrelated numbers together and came up with a completely meaningless number.

Do you even realize how big a number that is? In order to have that many missing links, there would have to be 60,000+ speciation events every year. In other words, if there were 288 trillion missing links between us and the original common ancestor, we would have had to speciate 170+ times PER DAY.

At that rate, there would have been 120 MILLION speciation events just since Jesus was alive.

 

[Subduction Zone]

To a point.

Then you hit a missing link that you conveniently gloss over.

Then another, then another, then another, and so on.

I once used a person's OP to calculate some 288 trillion missing links.

No, "missing links" are false ideas created by creationists. It was never predicted that we would find every step of evolution preserved in the fossil record. In fact the opposite is predicted. Evolution is proved beyond a reasonable doubt even with all of the so called missing links.

And of course when it comes to man from other apes it was one of you guys that identified the "missing link". Of course that would be above your level of understanding.

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

Just as you expect one to accept the Bible in its entirety then should you accept science in its entirety. You cannot pick and choose what you like and discard what you don't like in both!

It's actually impossible to do so in science: science hangs together as a system - failure to allow for radioactive decay, for example, has the secondary problem that you're then denying GPS satellites will work.

Religion doesn't have that problem. You can pick and choose pieces as you like - hence the existence of the 30,000 sects of Christianity.

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

No, "missing links" are false ideas created by creationists. It was never predicted that we would find every step of evolution preserved in the fossil record. In fact the opposite is predicted. Evolution is proved beyond a reasonable doubt even with all of the so called missing links.

And of course when it comes to man from other apes it was one of you guys that identified the "missing link". Of course that would be above your level of understanding.

In fact, the entire idea of a "missing link" is very 19th century, when the religiously influenced scientists conceived of the great Ladder of Life leading up to man. We now recognize that religious influence as creating a false impression. "Missing Link" survives as a metaphor and a shortcut phrase, but one except those ignorance of evolutionary theory use the term as a real thing.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, "missing links" are false ideas created by creationists. It was never predicted that we would find every step of evolution preserved in the fossil record.

So they are more or less "virtual links?"

 

[HitchSlap]

So they are more or less "virtual links?"

How many hairs from your head would I need to determine it was your hair?

 

[Mr Strawberry]

This, of course, will win their approval, and when Jesus shows up at the end of the Tribulation to set up His kingdom, scientists will be frothing at the mouth to vanquish Him before He even gets started.

So now scientists will be fighting Jesus on behalf of satan and evil? In a post full of absolute undiluted poppycock, you've really excelled yourself.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So now scientists will be fighting Jesus on behalf of satan and evil? In a post full of absolute undiluted poppycock, you've really excelled yourself.

He has been watching too many of the End Time Dramas.

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

He has been watching too many of the End Time Dramas.

And what does he do with all the devoutly Christian scientists? Who do they fight for?

 

[AV1611VET]

So now scientists will be fighting Jesus on behalf of satan and evil?

Yes ... in my opinion.

In a post full of absolute undiluted poppycock, you've really excelled yourself.

It's about time.

 

[AV1611VET]

And what does he do with all the devoutly Christian scientists? Who do they fight for?

Ya, Sub, can you answer that? You're the one who called it 'poppycock'. Perhaps you're some kind of authority on it?

I'd love to hear your answer.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Yes ... in my opinion.

Science and scientists are trying to describe and understand the real world. What you are really saying is that you think the real world is influenced by satan and is untrustworthy - "the real world can take a hike" as you have said. This gives you a problem because the Bible is just a book that exists in the real world. It's contents are just marks on bits of paper that exist only in the real world, the one you've told to take a hike. You see the problem? As I mentioned before, your nonsensical beliefs cut you off from everything outside your own head and leave you with nothing.

It's about time.

Actually, what I meant was that the rest of your post was drivel, but this part showed something much darker and less palatable than goofy old AV161VET, the harmless fool with his harebrained ideas.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ya, Sub, can you answer that? You're the one who called it 'poppycock'. Perhaps you're some kind of authority on it?

I'd love to hear your answer.

Was this question aimed at me? If so can you ask it more clearly?

 

[AV1611VET]

Science and scientists are trying to describe and understand the real world.

Good for them.

What you are really saying is that you think the real world is influenced by satan and is untrustworthy -

I don't need a mistranslator.

- "the real world can take a hike" as you have said.

Link, please.

This gives you a problem because the Bible is just a book that exists in the real world.

I see.

It's contents are just marks on bits of paper that exist only in the real world, the one you've told to take a hike.

Link, please, scientist?

You see the problem?

Yes.

As I mentioned before, your nonsensical beliefs cut you off from everything outside your own head and leave you with nothing.

Oh, I'm sure someone will find you and others inside my head, pretending to know what I stand for.

Actually, what I meant was that the rest of your post was drivel,

I'd say that's par for the course.

... but this part showed something much darker and less palatable than goofy old AV161VET, the harmless fool with his harebrained ideas.

Taking me to a new low now, are we?

 

[AV1611VET]

Was this question aimed at me?

Um ...

He has been watching too many of the End Time Dramas.

And what does he do with all the devoutly Christian scientists? Who do they fight for?

... yes?

If so can you ask it more clearly?

Why is this question aimed at me, scientist?