What Would Falsify the Flood? (2)

[Black Akuma]

You've never observed an ape evolving to a man. Come to your senses already.

You never saw a wolf evolve into a dog.

You've never seen an atom split.

You've never seen a virus infect someone.

You've never seen the Earth revolve around the Sun.

You've never seen a proton.

You've never seen the center of the Earth.

Heck, you've never seen your own brain working.

 

[TLK Valentine]

What's wrong with this statement from a mentality point of view?

What's wrong is your statement is meaningless.

If I submitted "an empty tomb" as an answer, but said I didn't know where the tomb was, would your mindset automatically say I'm wrong?

Why does yours automatically say you're right?

If I submitted the Shroud of Turin as an answer, would your mindset automatically cause you to ROFL?

Not automatically, but based on the facts that the Shroud is a known forgery...

And more red herrings you desperately need us to chase for you?

 

[EternalDragon]

You never saw a wolf evolve into a dog.

You've never seen an atom split.

You've never seen a virus infect someone.

You've never seen the Earth revolve around the Sun.

You've never seen a proton.

You've never seen the center of the Earth.

Heck, you've never seen your own brain working.

Does that mean that SD has never observed an ape evolving into a man? That was my point. Claiming to have observed it is a false statement.

Maybe he was playing with words as he often does to get around the
facts. Because he will probably come back and try to explain that what he really
meant was not really "we have observed it".

 

[Black Akuma]

Does that mean that SD has never observed an ape evolving into a man? That was my point. Claiming to have observed it is a false statement.

But that's the thing, ED. All those things are observed.

 

[Atheos canadensis]

It's not about believing at all. And there is no flesh being burnt from bones.
Where do you get this stuff?

How dishonest of him to suggest such a thing! I guess Hell is a perfectly pleasant place that would not frighten children into compliance then. Because being "tormented day and night forever and ever (Rev 20:10) is alright as long as there is no flesh burning going on.

Way to avoid the point that was being made, as usual.

 

[Atheos canadensis]

A parable. I have just started school, and I find out that many of my classmates do not believe in Santa Claus, or at least not in most of the stories that have grown around him. They say that the toys we get on Christmas were not made especially for us personally by magic elves, but were ordinary store-bought toys purchased by our parents. I don't believe them, but being a bright and curious fellow, I decide to investigate. I'll prove that Santa is real. I find some toys hidden in a cabinet in the garage. They are still in the bags from the stores in the Mall, and they all have reciepts from those stores (the fossil record). I also find my parent's checkbook with the record of purchases in those same stores on the same days as the reciepts and for the same amounts (the geological record).

I could come up with a complicated explanation that preserves both the purchase of the toys by my parents, or I could fail to notice a key point of evidence, even when someone keeps trying to get my attention with it, or I could claim to have considered the evidence but found it unconvincing. After all, no one actually saw my parents buy the toys, so we don't know that they did, do we?

Or I could follow the basic principle of science that the least number of unfounded assumptions makes for a better working hypothesis. One assumption, that my parents purchased the toys to be given to me "from Santa" on Christmas morning fits all of the evidence.

I like the dickens out of your parable.

 

[dad]

Here is what you would see if a huge lake suddenly drained: The channeled scablands of eastern Washington.

The Channeled Scablands are a barren, relatively soil-free landscape in eastern Washington, scoured clean by a flood unleashed when a large glacial lake drained.[

But what we do see in the Grand Canyon and other canyons on the Colorado Plateau are entrenched (or incised) meanders.

Incised meanders[edit]

Main article: Entrenched river

Glen Canyon , USA


If the slope of an established meandering stream is suddenly increased, it will resume downward erosion – this happens when the base level of the stream is reduced, for example due to tectonic uplift of the region, a global fall in sea-level, collapse of a moraine-dammed lake downstream, or by capture of the stream by a steeper one. As the stream erodes downwards, its established meandering pattern will remain as a deep valley known as an incised meander or entrenched meander. Rivers in the Colorado PlateauOzark Plateau are noted for these incised meanders and streams in the

If the continental separation and uplift occurred around the same time as the Grand Canyon being formed, we would need to do more than model slow present state processes.

 

[EternalDragon]

How dishonest of him to suggest such a thing! I guess Hell is a perfectly pleasant place that would not frighten children into compliance then. Because being "tormented day and night forever and ever (Rev 20:10) is alright as long as there is no flesh burning going on.

Way to avoid the point that was being made, as usual.

Way to snip out a section of the bible verse that applies to the false prophet, devil and the beast and try to apply it to unsaved people.

Rev. 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Hell is separation from God and heaven. Like being in jail. I am sure those people are tormented but not actual "tormented". It just isn't a nice place to be.

 

[Atheos canadensis]

Way to snip out a section of the bible verse that applies to the false prophet, devil and the beast and try to apply it to unsaved people.

Rev. 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Hell is separation from God and heaven. Like being in jail. I am sure those people are tormented but not actual "tormented". It just isn't a nice place to be.

Cool. So an atheist such as me who, according to you, is going to Hell has absolutely nothing to fear as I already feel no connection to God.

 

[EternalDragon]

Cool. So an atheist such as me who, according to you, is going to Hell has absolutely nothing to fear as I already feel no connection to God.

Apparently you don't fear a jail sentence either so you may
as well go out and rob and pillage.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Apparently you don't fear a jail sentence either so you may
as well go out and rob and pillage.

Atheists tend not to fear a jail sentence since they tend not to break the laws.

The prisons are full of Christians and Muslims. Atheists are hugely underrepresented in prison. Atheists are over 5% of the population as a whole and a fraction of a percent of the prison population in the U.S..


If you don't trust me you can check the statistics for yourself.

 

[Atheos canadensis]

Apparently you don't fear a jail sentence either so you may
as well go out and rob and pillage.

Silly. I assume you're just being spiteful because it bugs you that I wouldn't give a damn about your Hell even if it were an eternity of burning instead of being cut off from something I am already cut off from.

I certainly don't want to go to jail and be cut off from those I love. But that isn't really pertinent. You're likening Hell to jail in the sense that I would be cut off from God. But I don't even think God exists, much less love Him.

Why should I fear Hell if the worst it can muster is the life I'm already enjoying?

 

[EternalDragon]

Atheists tend not to fear a jail sentence since they tend not to break the laws.

The prisons are full of Christians and Muslims. Atheists are hugely underrepresented in prison. Atheists are over 5% of the population as a whole and a fraction of a percent of the prison population in the U.S..


If you don't trust me you can check the statistics for yourself.

Converted Christians and Muslims after the fact? You are being dishonest with the facts again to further your attack. Best check yourself. It may be that you are not fully in control.

 

[Atheos canadensis]

Converted Christians and Muslims after the fact? You are being dishonest with the facts again to further your attack. Best check yourself. It may be that you are not fully in control.

Aren't you going to tell me why I should fear Hell? I'm honestly curious.

 

[EternalDragon]

Aren't you going to tell me why I should fear Hell? I'm honestly curious.

Well, fear is an emotional response to danger so I will leave you with these images.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Well, fear is an emotional response to danger

To real (or at least perceived as real) dangers, that is.

You'd probably be surprised to learn that this sign doesn't discourage many people:

so I will leave you with these images.
<snip>

Just so long as you leave.

 

[Atheos canadensis]

Well, fear is an emotional response to danger so I will leave you with these images.

Uh, thanks for explaining what fear is. I'm guessing that you are realizing that based on your understanding of Hell there is absolutely nothing for me to fear. Otherwise you would presumably have actually explained what I have to worry about by now. I really wish you'd give it a try. I mean threatening my with fire and torment is one thing, threatening me with not getting to be connected to God is quite another.

Also, are you planning to come back to your Fig Wasp thread? I outlined my points just as you requested, but you seem to be avoiding them still.

 

[EternalDragon]

Uh, thanks for explaining what fear is. I'm guessing that you are realizing that based on your understanding of Hell there is absolutely nothing for me to fear. Otherwise you would presumably have actually explained what I have to worry about by now. I really wish you'd give it a try. I mean threatening my with fire and torment is one thing, threatening me with not getting to be connected to God is quite another.

Also, are you planning to come back to your Fig Wasp thread? I outlined my points just as you requested, but you seem to be avoiding them still.

Actually I am realizing that some people ask the most ridiculous questions and I am sort of waiting for the other shoe to drop.

If you like isolation, being unable to leave and do what you want, being uncomfortable and in a worse place than earth, then more power to you. I would not wish that kind of existence on anyone.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Actually I am realizing that some people ask the most ridiculous questions and I am sort of waiting for the other shoe to drop.

If you like isolation, being unable to leave and do what you want, being uncomfortable and in a worse place than earth, then more power to you. I would not wish that kind of existence on anyone.

But as we have pointed out your beliefs are a myth. When Hindus make the same sort of claims as you do you would be quick to point out that there beliefs are not based upon reality. The same applies to you.

 

[Atheos canadensis]

Actually I am realizing that some people ask the most ridiculous questions and I am sort of waiting for the other shoe to drop.

If you like isolation, being unable to leave and do what you want, being uncomfortable and in a worse place than earth, then more power to you. I would not wish that kind of existence on anyone.

There's no other shoe. The question I'm asking is the one I want an answer to. It's about 95% curiosity with about 5% amusement that you can't provide and answer. Why should I fear Hell? All I have is your insistence that it is "uncomfortable" and "the worst place on earth". But the only punishment you say goes on is that I won't be connected to God, which I already am not and am enjoying just fine. So why should I fear Hell? It's okay to admit that there is absolutely no reason, even if it bugs you that what you consider to be terrifying holds not even a wisp of a threat to me.