What would falsify creationism?

[bhayes]

Yep. Just like it doesn't apply to Zeus, graviton fairies and the undetectable 7-headed dragon in my garage.

That is absolutely correct.

Anyone believing in those are going to have to do it by faith, not by science.

It's that simple.

It's amazing that children can understand this, but educatees cannot.

Believing in God is not the same as believing in something that it is made up, such as fairies. The bible says that everyone has the propensity to believe that God does exist simply by observing creation and life. Yet there are those who would suppress this truth in favor of a life without knowing him and are choosing this because it lets them be accountable to nobody but themselves (I am speaking of atheists). Science does not disprove God, but if you can't simply observe creation and its majesty for what God created then no matter how much you uncover scientifically you will never see the truth because you have believed a lie.

 

[Loudmouth]

Possibly. I could find out if there were any witnesses to seeing you in bed the whole night,

Aliens can implant false memories. That wouldn't work.

Get some doctors and tests done to see if they could affirm nothing had been stuck into you?

Alien probes don't leave any evidence that doctors can detect because aliens exist outside of time and space.

This is what it is like to disprove creationism.

 

[bhsmte]

Possibly. I could find out if there were any witnesses to seeing you in bed the whole night, Get some doctors and tests done to see if they could affirm nothing had been stuck into you? When can you make your imaginary friends available to me and we'll have to make an imaginary appointment with the imaginary hospital. Lets work out the logistics!!

No one was at my home that night and the probes they used on me were non evasive. I wouldn't know how to get you in touch with these aliens, as they came to me, I didn't seek them out. Can you make God available to me, so I can ask him some questions?

 

[Loudmouth]

Believing in God is not the same as believing in something that it is made up, such as fairies. The bible says that everyone has the propensity to believe that God does exist simply by observing creation and life. Yet there are those who would suppress this truth in favor of a life without knowing him and are choosing this because it lets them be accountable to nobody but themselves (I am speaking of atheists). Science does not disprove God, but if you can't simply observe creation and its majesty for what God created then no matter how much you uncover scientifically you will never see the truth because you have believed a lie.

What observations demonstrate that God created anything?

 

[bhsmte]

Believing in God is not the same as believing in something that it is made up, such as fairies. The bible says that everyone has the propensity to believe that God does exist simply by observing creation and life. Yet there are those who would suppress this truth in favor of a life without knowing him and are choosing this because it lets them be accountable to nobody but themselves (I am speaking of atheists). Science does not disprove God, but if you can't simply observe creation and its majesty for what God created then no matter how much you uncover scientifically you will never see the truth because you have believed a lie.

Is anyone suppressing you from believing in God?

 

[Dpierre]

Notice how you immediately switch the topic from transitional fossils.

Pardon me. I had no idea the thread title had been changed and you were the new OP that determined what the subject is

I could have sworn we were talking about Creationism and the subjects I raised ARE part of what Creationsim is about

Now that I have addressed those issues

Ummmm where? Can a Creationist say Gee I dunno and be considered to have addressed all your issues? You should inform them in the threads I have seen you in

They can say "I dunno" and settle all the squabbling. So since you both can answer issues put to you you are both in the educated group............cool.

You guys take care....I came in with one example of your duality and leave with two. Blessings

 

[bhayes]

Have you forgotten that you started out as a single, fertilized cell? If a human can form from a single cell in just 9 months, why can't it happen over billions of years?

Well because it is not the same thing is it? If we are saying that two living beings such as humans procreated then yes life comes from life. But you are not saying that. You are saying that there was a cell, somehow nobody knows where it came from. It reproduced how? and somehow survived the environment of the earth and over billions of years formed complex organisms that somehow evolved from each other yet today not one single type of this has been observed. It is all based on faith because even yourself have confidently stated if humans have come from a single cell over 9 months then what could happen over billions of years. So you have stated that with faith that it could have happened just like everyone else.

 

[Dpierre]

Alien probes don't leave any evidence that doctors can detect because aliens exist outside of time and space.
....
This is what it is like to disprove creationism.

Ah I was about to leave..... my work here done but this is too juicy to leave ....Want to play that game? Please present something that would falsify Darwinian evolution.

P.S. how do you know Alien probes don't leave evidence? experience?

 

[bhsmte]

Ah I was about to leave..... my work here done but this is too juicy to leave ....Want to play that game? Please present something that would falsify Darwinian evolution.

P.S. how do you know Alien probes don't leave evidence? experience?

Here you go on falsification of evolution:

• If it could be shown that mutations do not occur.
• If it could be shown that organisms with identical DNA have different genetic traits.
• If it could be shown that when mutations do occur, they are not passed down through the generations.
• If it could be shown that although mutations are passed down, no mutation could produce the sort of phenotypic changes that drive natural selection.
• If it could be shown that selection or environmental pressures do not favor the reproductive success of better adapted individuals.
• If it could be shown that even though selection or environmental pressures favor the reproductive success of better adapted individuals, "better adapted individuals" (at any one time) are not shown to change into other species

 

[Loudmouth]

Ah I was about to leave..... my work here done but this is too juicy to leave ....Want to play that game? Please present something that would falsify Darwinian evolution.

P.S. how do you know Alien probes don't leave evidence? experience?

A fossil or living species with a mixture of mammal and bird features.

A rabbit fossil and other modern mammals in Cambrian deposits.

A lack of correlation between phylogenies based on DNA sequences and morphology.

A lack of phylogenetic signal for orthologous ERVs in apes (including humans).

Those are just a few off the top of my head.

 

[Loudmouth]

P.S. how do you know Alien probes don't leave evidence? experience?

Why would separate creation produce evidence that is indistinguishable from evolution over billions of years?

 

[Jan Volkes]

Well because it is not the same thing is it? If we are saying that two living beings such as humans procreated then yes life comes from life. But you are not saying that. You are saying that there was a cell, somehow nobody knows where it came from. It reproduced how? and somehow survived the environment of the earth and over billions of years formed complex organisms that somehow evolved from each other yet today not one single type of this has been observed. It is all based on faith because even yourself have confidently stated if humans have come from a single cell over 9 months then what could happen over billions of years. So you have stated that with faith that it could have happened just like everyone else.

What are you saying? life didn't start all by itself [which is fantastic in itself] but it was started by something that itself was not started by anything else [which goes beyond even the fantastic]

We have a problem, WHERE DID WE COME FROM, you are not happy with the research done by scientists because of your religion, your religion which you want to believe tells you the exact opposite to what scientists have found to be true,
who do you think is wrong? your religion tells you the scientists and science tells you your religion, what you choose to believe is up to you, please do not be alarmed if others choose not to believe as you do because reality seems to be your enemy and unfortunately we all live in the reality of the here and now.
What you want to believe bears no relationship to what is true.

 

[Dpierre]

• If it could be shown that mutations do not occur.

Meh still could be another mechanism. Darwin only needed subtle changes and didn't even grasp DNa like we do...next

If it could be shown that organisms with identical DNA have different genetic traits

So then if DNA were not DNA then? Seriously?? That's a falsification? If DNA doesn't work like DNA ....NEXT please

If it could be shown that when mutations do occur, they are not passed down through the generations

Same thing ....So if DNA wasn't really DNA. We gotchya not a falsification but it was a try

If it could be shown that although mutations are passed down, no mutation could produce the sort of phenotypic changes that drive natural selection.

And how would that be shown since that would take millions of years??.....next please

If it could be shown that selection or environmental pressures do not favor the reproductive success of better adapted individuals.

You know what? Try again. Skip all the "could be shown" claims. They are not falsifications if you cannot explain how they would be shown.

So far all we have is if DNA wasn't really DNA then Neo Darwinism would be falsifiable.

Sorry Mate claiming that something has to not be and not do what it does isn't a possible falsification -not in the least

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[Dpierre]

Why would separate creation produce evidence that is indistinguishable from evolution over billions of years?

Because it doesn't and that is just a claim you can go explore in another thread because making this an evidence for Evo thread would derail it for at least ten pages and probably more

 

[Dpierre]

A fossil or living species with a mixture of mammal and bird features.

Nope convergent evolution. Sorry

A rabbit fossil and other modern mammals in Cambrian deposits.

Nope wasn't a Cambrian deposit (no Darwinist would identify a rabbit in the Cambrian - I was expecting that one its tried all the time) . They would just say it was reworked or the deposit was Cambrian or yea maybe even "remarkably the rabbit evolved twice" .

Even if they did it would still leave millions of years for some punctuated evo. the theory is as elastic as whoever wants it to be.

A lack of correlation between phylogenies based on DNA sequences and morphology

You can move that tree around until it looks like another tree entirely it would not mean people would give up the idea of Evolution.

A lack of phylogenetic signal for orthologous ERVs in apes (including humans).

Not even close. Showing any lack of evidence in apes or any single comparative grouping would in no shape or way cause everything else to collapse. After all Darwinism was going strong before any ERVS were known

Those are just a few off the top of my head.

Then you might want to think about it some more. cheers

 

[Loudmouth]

Well because it is not the same thing is it?

You said it is impossible for a human to form from a single cell, yet it that is how every single human came about. Perhaps you should rethink your expertise in topics involving biology?

If we are saying that two living beings such as humans procreated then yes life comes from life.

Evolution of humans from a single celled ancestor is also life from life.

But you are not saying that. You are saying that there was a cell, somehow nobody knows where it came from. It reproduced how? and somehow survived the environment of the earth and over billions of years formed complex organisms that somehow evolved from each other yet today not one single type of this has been observed. It is all based on faith because even yourself have confidently stated if humans have come from a single cell over 9 months then what could happen over billions of years. So you have stated that with faith that it could have happened just like everyone else.

I have evidence, so why would I need faith?

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section1.html#fundamental_unity

 

[Loudmouth]

Nope convergent evolution. Sorry

I just stated what I would accept as falsifying evidence. You don't get to speak for me.

Nope wasn't a Cambrian deposit (no Darwinist would identify a rabbit in the Cambrian - I was expecting that one its tried all the time) . They would just say it was reworked or the deposit was Cambrian or yea maybe even "remarkably the rabbit evolved twice" .

But we didn't say that. I'm sorry, but you don't get to invent fantasies to refute my position that evolution is falsifiable.

You can move that tree around until it looks like another tree entirely it would not mean people would give up the idea of Evolution.

Please show how this could be done?

Not even close. Showing any lack of evidence in apes or any single comparative grouping would in no shape or way cause everything else to collapse.

I just offered what I would accept as falsifying evidence. You don't get to put words in my mouth.

After all Darwinism was going strong before any ERVS were known

And now it is going stronger.

 

[Loudmouth]

Because it doesn't and that is just a claim you can go explore in another thread because making this an evidence for Evo thread would derail it for at least ten pages and probably more

Then why do we see the exact nested hierarchy from special creation that we would expect from evolution?

 

[crjmurray]

Ah I was about to leave..... my work here done but this is too juicy to leave ....Want to play that game? Please present something that would falsify Darwinian evolution.

P.S. how do you know Alien probes don't leave evidence? experience?

I've already covered this in my birds with boobs thread.

 

[Dpierre]

You said it is impossible for a human to form from a single cell, yet it that is how every single human came about. Perhaps you should rethink your expertise in topics involving biology?

Are all those theatrics always necessary? This is why I tend to stay away from where atheists and Theists debate because you tend to get rather ugly with each other

He has already clarified what he meant even though it was pretty clear without the qualification even before

Well because it is not the same thing is it? If we are saying that two living beings such as humans procreated then yes life comes from life. But you are not saying that. You are saying that there was a cell, somehow nobody knows where it came from.

and you are rather pettily ignoring his (somewhat unneeded) clarification in order to attack his intelligence