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What we need is another Pearl Harbor

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kisstheson

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belladonic-haze said:
Yes, my Dad was in the US army and he still suffers from nightmares and the horrors he saw......why did you ask? I am against war, violence is never ever the solution!

Don't worry. There will be other Americans who will pay the sacrifice and fight in bloody wars so you can sit at home, eat popcorn, talk on your cell phone, chat on your computer and practice your Christian faith without fear.
 
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Driver said:
There is far more evidence that Israel and the Bush Administration are responsible for 9/11 than the Arabs. The Arabs, if anything, were just set up as patsies.

Their seeking of "another Pearl Harbor" is seen by many as another smoking gun, as David Ray Griffin's lecture suggests.

Well when all the luxuaries that democracy has given you is taken away and their lining up to kill the infidels maybe you can give David Ray Griffin a call.
 
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kisstheson said:
Jesus said in Luke 22:35-38. "Let him who has no sword buy one."
The disciples replied "Lord here are two."
Jesus said "It is enough."
Luke 22:37-38:
[Jesus said] It is written: 'And he was numbered with the transgressors'; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment."
The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords."
"That is enough," he replied.
Sometimes the right thing to do is use force in fighting evil. When Jesus clensed the temple He actually made a whip with cords and used it. He was taking a stand against evil and certainly wasn't acting peaceful.
It's His house.

When the Bible tells us to imitate Jesus, it says:
But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
"He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth." When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly. (1 Pet. 2:20-23)

The New Testament tells us to be non-violent, and it never tells us to be violent.
If you saw a child being raped on a street corner are you going to stand there and say "let's peacefully nogotiate."
Straw man. That's not what pacifists are saying. Can you imagine non-lethal ways to intervene? There's your answer.
 
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kisstheson said:
Does anyone here actually like war?

Yes, most supporters of Israel actually like war.

Did America want to get involved in WWII? We wanted to remain in our own country. Ignorance is bliss, so the saying goes. That is until the Japanese attacked us at Pearl Harbor.

Ignorance is bliss?

The US provoked Japan to attack Peal Harbor. Japan was in a war with China. The US was trying to make Japan lose the war by choking off supplies to Japan using the ships as Pearl Harbor. If the US had really stayed out of it, what probably would have happened: No Peal Harbor attack. No US troops killed in Japan. No nukes needed. No Communism takeover of China (and all the evils that brought).

If these nations had their way, Germany's Hitler for one, we probably wouldn't be typing comfortably in our homes arguing about Israel

That's a bad thing?

There will be no Christianforums if the Islamic Fundies rule the world.

I have no fear of Islamic Fundies ruling the world.

What is Israel? A democracy!

It's hardly a democracy when the laws of the nation are designed to keep one race in power. But, I have a feeling that you're using the term "democracy" in some esoteric way.

Israel is a friend of democracy.

If Israel had its way, there would be no ChristianForums. As it is, the country only now barely tolerates Christians. Imagine if they didn't feel the need of Christian funds to stay in business.
 
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Jesus said in Luke 22:35-38. "Let him who has no sword buy one." The disciples replied "Lord here are two."
Jesus said "It is enough.

...and then healed the one person ever listed in the Bible who a Christian hit with a sword. :)

Isn't it great to live in comfort and freedom off the backs of those who sacificed their lives and fought that you could type Christian scriptures at this forum? Do you believe you could do that if this country was ruled by the Isamic powers who hate Israel, America gang? That will never happen here? If it happens in Israel, it can happen here. We all never thought planes would bring down the World Trade Center. Just like WWII the same mind set and then America had a rude awakening on December 7th,1941.

How do you decide which commands we should obey and which we should ignore? :scratch: Because quite frankly there are several I find very inconvenient and would love to be able to dismiss them in good concience. :)
tulc(just curious)
 
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Poke said:
Yes, most supporters of Israel actually like war.

Most supporters of Israel like peace, and would like the Jewish people to have the opportunity to live their lives in peace.

Most supporters of radical Islam like war, which is evidence by the 2000 rocket attacks to this date launched by Hizbollah.
And by their long-range missiles which are now pointed at Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. How do those long-range missiles sit with your pacifism?

Hizbollah and Hamas are not pacificists; they do not share your laudable beliefs in pacifism, they are war mongers; they are out for one thing, and one thing only: the destruction of an entire nation and people.
 
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Poke said:
Yes, most supporters of Israel actually like war.

NO THEY DON'T!!
THEY PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM!!


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Psalms 122:6-9 6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem! "May they prosper who love you! 7 Peace be within your walls, and security within your towers!" 8 For my brethren and companions' sake I will say, "Peace be within you!" 9 For the sake of the house of the LORD our God, I will seek your good."[/FONT]
 
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Ivy said:
Most supporters of Israel like peace, and would like the Jewish people to have the opportunity to live their lives in peace.

Let's see you support that claim.

Can you admit that Bush lied America into the Iraq war? Zionists can't. Any excuse for war.

Most supporters of radical Islam like war, which is evidence by the 2000 rocket attacks to this date launched by Hizbollah.

Aw, but that's just a drop in the bucket compared to what Israel has unleashed. If that is evidence of liking war, then you've just argued that Israel likes war far more than radical Islamists. Oh yeah, and Israel started this war, those Hezbollah rockets are only a response.

Who but someone who likes war would think that a couple of Israeli troops getting caught in Lebanon justifies war (without negotiations, etc.)? Do you really think this war is an effort to get two prisoners back? If yes, does the word "disproportionate" mean nothing to you (800 dead people, billions in damage).
 
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Poke said:
Let's see you support that claim.

I guess we could take a poll.

Put me down for one vote as a supporter of Isreal that wants peace for all. :)

I think that Wags post of:

Psalms 122:6-9 6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem! "May they prosper who love you! 7 Peace be within your walls, and security within your towers!" 8 For my brethren and companions' sake I will say, "Peace be within you!" 9 For the sake of the house of the LORD our God, I will seek your good."

supports the view of Christian and Jewish support for wanting peace.
 
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Ivy said:
This war is an effort to dismantle Hizbollah, who are a hazard to us all.

It doesn't mean anything to you that Israel's violence created Hezbollah in the first place and that even now, Israel's violence is making Hezbollah stronger. When this little war is over, and Hezbollah is still around, you'll just rationalize that Israel was too restrained.

Not even WWIII would be enough, not enough to destroy Hezbollah and not enough to make you think Israel has gone too far.

Maybe at least you might concede that the incident of Hezbollah attacking Israeli troops in Lebanon was just a pretext for war? You've already implied it.

Someone who wants war will always be able to rationalize it.
 
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Eryk said:
You agree with what?No, I don't.
Sorry, Driver quoted Scripture "essed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. Matthew 5:9"

Agreement with this Scripture. The Questions following the statement "I agree" was address to His post.
 
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Driver said:
There is far more evidence that Israel and the Bush Administration are responsible for 9/11 than the Arabs. The Arabs, if anything, were just set up as patsies.

Conspiracy theories dishonor all who support them.

Do you have any facts to support your assertions?

Step up, or step off.

There is absolutely no credible evidence that Israel or the US was behind the attacks of 9/11.

Think about it this way: the crew that gave us the Iraq war planning was somehow capable of carrying out a plan to destroy the World Trade Center?

Poke said:
Yes, most supporters of Israel actually like war.

This is untrue.

Proof?

Again, step up or step off.


The US provoked Japan to attack Peal Harbor. Japan was in a war with China. The US was trying to make Japan lose the war by choking off supplies to Japan using the ships as Pearl Harbor. If the US had really stayed out of it, what probably would have happened: No Peal Harbor attack. No US troops killed in Japan. No nukes needed. No Communism takeover of China (and all the evils that brought).

Funny that no historian has ever been able to show the assertions you make here.

Also funny that no historian has ever made the assertion period.

Unless you're talking about revisionist historians who lack credibility and whose writings and theories are rejected out of hand by anyone who has studied the era and nations in question.

I have no fear of Islamic Fundies ruling the world.

I think you're probably alone in this thought.

It's hardly a democracy when the laws of the nation are designed to keep one race in power.

Can you support this assertion in any way?

The Arabs have the right to vote in Israel.

The Arabs have parliamentary representation in Israel.

Can Jews or Christians claim the same thing in Arab nations?

If Israel had its way, there would be no ChristianForums. As it is, the country only now barely tolerates Christians. Imagine if they didn't feel the need of Christian funds to stay in business.

Again, any support for this assertion?

Israel has opened itself up to Christians more than the land was open to Christians under Islamic rule.

Or, frankly, when it was under Christian rule before that.
 
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ArJay81 said:
Conspiracy theories dishonor all who support them.

Do you have any facts to support your assertions?

Step up, or step off.

There is absolutely no credible evidence that Israel or the US was behind the attacks of 9/11.

Think about it this way: the crew that gave us the Iraq war planning was somehow capable of carrying out a plan to destroy the World Trade Center?

Just do the research, and you will find that the government's conspiracy theory does not stand up to the facts or to laws of Physics.

www.st911.org

MIT Engineer Jeff King

BYU Physics Professor Steven Jones
 
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ArJay81 said:
There is absolutely no credible evidence that Israel or the US was behind the attacks of 9/11.

Driver seems to be going a bit far on the 9/11 claim. But, it's rather obvious to anyone familiar with the evidence that Israel knew it was going to happen but didn't warn US authorities. For example, terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui had been using Nick Berg's email account and password before 9/11. How do you explain that? Nick Berg was a jew, and a frequent traveler to Israel who for some reason was in Iraq right after the invasion, where he managed to get himself beheaded. Theres a great deal of evidence that makes Israel look guilty of something.

This is untrue.

It would help both you and me if you wrote in complete thoughts.

I said zionists like war. You say it's untrue. The painful contortions of zionists to rationalize war contradict you. Your words ring hollow.

I could give you proof, but you would rationalize everything to being justification for war (which is what people who like war should be expected to do.)

Bush's blatant WMD lies that you would deny were lies? Israel starting a war that has already killed nearly a 1000 people and caused billions in damage, over a little Hezbollah attack on some Israeli troops who were in Lebanon.

Funny that no historian has ever been able to show the assertions you make here.
Also funny that no historian has ever made the assertion period.

What I said is history 101. It's not at all controversial, just because you don't know history.

Can you support this assertion in any way?

The Arabs have the right to vote in Israel.

You should acquire basic familiarity with issues that you wish to debate over. I said Israeli laws are designed to keep one race in power. That doesn't mean Arabs are not allowed to vote.

One of Israel's better known laws is called the Right of Return. This means that any racial jew (who is not a Christian) in all the world is given automatic citizenship to Israel. However, Arabs are not allowed a right of return, including those Israel had displaced from Israel. Israel even bans from Israel Arab spouses of Jews who are Israeli citizens.

So much for the Arab right to vote.

Can Jews or Christians claim the same thing in Arab nations?

In Saddam's Iraq, Christians and Muslims were equal under the law.

Israel has opened itself up to Christians more than the land was open to Christians under Islamic rule.

Israel is opened up to US tourist dollars. What makes you think Israel doesn't hate America and Christians? Why is it if a jew kills someone in the US and flees to Israel, Israel refuses to return the criminal. And, please, spare me the demand for "proof". You can dig up the facts on your own. You can tell me what is it that makes you think Israel is so Christian friendly.
 
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Are you a member of a church?
Sure I'm a member of the body of Christ, bought and paid for by the blood of Christ, I worship as part of a Covenent Church, and have lived as a member of a Christian commune for almost 30 years.
If so, what Church?
see above :)
tulc(those should all be lower case by the way) ;)
 
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Poke said:
Driver seems to be going a bit far on the 9/11 claim. But, it's rather obvious to anyone familiar with the evidence that Israel knew it was going to happen but didn't warn US authorities. For example, terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui had been using Nick Berg's email account and password before 9/11. How do you explain that? Nick Berg was a jew, and a frequent traveler to Israel who for some reason was in Iraq right after the invasion, where he managed to get himself beheaded. Theres a great deal of evidence that makes Israel look guilty of something.

Again, conspiracy theories dishonor all who support them.

His father, a Jew who does not support the war in Iraq, said his son was there to help set up telephone networks or some such.

Imagine wanting to get in on the ground floor of a business in a "new" country.

It is not incumbent on any sovereign nation to warn another nation about what is to come; however, there is proof out there that Israeli intelligence did, in fact, warn the US about the attack and the government chose to ignore the warnings.

It would help both you and me if you wrote in complete thoughts.

I said zionists like war. You say it's untrue. The painful contortions of zionists to rationalize war contradict you. Your words ring hollow.

I could give you proof, but you would rationalize everything to being justification for war (which is what people who like war should be expected to do.)

It was a complete thought, or you would not have answered me.

Personal attacks really have no please in civil discourse.

I have no idea why you would believe that I "like" war.

No sane person "likes" war.

However, sometimes war is necessary.

Bush's blatant WMD lies that you would deny were lies? Israel starting a war that has already killed nearly a 1000 people and caused billions in damage, over a little Hezbollah attack on some Israeli troops who were in Lebanon.

I did not claim to support the war or Israel in their war.

Israel was looking for a pretext and was given one.

Hezbollah also had reason to know that Israel would react as it has.

But, be that as it may, you can rest assured that Hezbollah is an enemy of Israel, the US, and the rest of the world.

More Americans died at the hands of Hezbollah pre 9/11 than at the hands of any other terrorist organization.



What I said is history 101. It's not at all controversial, just because you don't know history.

You know nothing of me, or my reading of history.

I know more than you might suspect and, again, personal attacks are pointless in civil discourse.



You should acquire basic familiarity with issues that you wish to debate over. I said Israeli laws are designed to keep one race in power. That doesn't mean Arabs are not allowed to vote.

One of Israel's better known laws is called the Right of Return. This means that any racial jew (who is not a Christian) in all the world is given automatic citizenship to Israel. However, Arabs are not allowed a right of return, including those Israel had displaced from Israel. Israel even bans from Israel Arab spouses of Jews who are Israeli citizens.

So much for the Arab right to vote.

Again, the personal attacks.

I do know the issues and I understand them all too well.

It makes sense that Israel would not have a law of return for those who have the stated aim to kill all members of the majority people in the land.

In Saddam's Iraq, Christians and Muslims were equal under the law.

And this means, what precisely?

Do you really believe that Christians had the right to practice their faith in Iraq as the Muslims did?

What of the Kurds, did they have the right to practice Christianity?



Israel is opened up to US tourist dollars. What makes you think Israel doesn't hate America and Christians? Why is it if a jew kills someone in the US and flees to Israel, Israel refuses to return the criminal. And, please, spare me the demand for "proof". You can dig up the facts on your own. You can tell me what is it that makes you think Israel is so Christian friendly.

Just as you refuse to provide proof for your views, I will demur to your demands.
 
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