What was Instituted at creation?

[bugkiller]

Isaiah 56:6-7 As for the Gentiles, the outsiders who join the people of the Lord and serve him and love his name, and are his servants and don't desecrate the Sabbath, and have accepted his covenant and promises, I will bring them also to my holy mountain of Jerusalem, and make them full of joy within my House of Prayer.I will accept their sacrifices and offerings, for my Temple shall be called "A House of Prayer for All People''!


Ephesians 2:11-13 Physically you are not Jewish. Those who have been physically circumcised called you "the uncircumcised.'' Do you remember? At that time you were without Christ. You were foreigners. You could not be part of Israel. You were strangers to the agreements of promise. You had no hope. You were in the world without God. You used to be far away, but now, in Christ Jesus, you have come near. This was by the blood of Christ.

I very curious what translation are you quoting from for these two verses? I don't recognize the translation and I have around twenty.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Truth is, what was given to Moses is exactly what Jesus claimed was made for man.(-Mar 2:27 )
It's a slight to edit the word "mankind" into that text, so it can appear to revert back to creation rather than Sinai. (Have mercy God)

God's rested-(shabath v) from creation was an "ending", or a "ceasing", as the word rest defines. God finished all the worlds in six days . No time duration is kept when when you're finish. No second round.
What was Adam's part in creation?
Why include man when text is only talking about the creative acts of God?

Great points.

God did not "shabbath (n)" because sabbath is a day of rest which begin at sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. God did not resume work the following day, so factually, He made no pattern for man to follow. Nor is there an institution for man to follow. It's all fabricated commentary.

I have been saying this very thing for 10 years directly the SDA folks with no results of any kind.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Do you really think that the text you used justifies your comments?
Your comments contradicts too many scriptures to count.

Dats the SDA way. They are in de Nile (denial) about every scripture that doesn't their theology. They despise Paul to the max. You should read their version of Heb 1:1, 2 if you want yer blood to really boil.

Paul's understanding of the creation scriptures cause him to declare that; #1 sin was in the world before the law. It was not accounted as breaking of law, because there was no law. Rom 5:13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. My additional comments to that text are; "Sin was labelled as "sin"according to the words used in scripture when Cain thought to kill Abel.
Sin was labelled as "wickedness, "evil," "vain imagination" according to the words used in scripture that explains why God to send the flood to wipe out humanity on earth.
There is no hint that man broke God's law and sabbath, or your commentary would be correct." If there was a law declared we'd all be aware of what God commanded in creation.

The text proves that free will and dominion given to man, was corrupted by Adam's sin, and man mostly chose evil over good. Moses wrote as follows;
Gen 6:5¶And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually.
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. )

Did God say....They wont keep my commandments? NO!!!!

Paul further explains what Genesis through Exodus also proves...Rom 5:14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

So we can understand that God did judged sin, from Adam to Moses and the penalty of sin was death.

I expect you and others to apply your commentary to the word "trangression" as if a law was given, but the scripture is explaining the opposite.

The question is asked:Gal 3:19 Why serveth the law?
Paul explains elsewhere that the law came 430yrs after the promises to Abraham because of transgression of the Children of Israel.
Paul explains here that the law served until the seed came.

The highlighted puts an expiration date on the law.

Teachers are called to give understanding to the scriptures not to contradict and add to God's word by commentary.

Dat be their prophetess.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Sin was sin before the Sinai and was punished before the Sinai. God even destroyed most of mankind through a flood because of sin.

If murder was a sin before Sinai and a Law was enacted to keep it a sin after Sinai then the sin of murder was sin as part of creation.

If the seventh day was made holy before Sinai and a Law was enacted to keep it holy after Sinai then the Sabbath was part of creation.

Faulty premise with no foundation.

Jesus would never make something God called holy, unholy.

Technically you are correct by your theology in practice and wrong by your FB on the trinity. What do you do with Hosea 2:11 I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts. This is a list which says the Sabbath will cease spoken by God through Hosea. Incidently the word translated cease here is also the word translated rested in Gen 2:2, 3 and varified with the word ended.

Jesus was made Lord of the same day God blessed at creation.

Mark 2:28 "Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.''

Jesus is Lord of THE Sabbath...THE Sabbath...THE Sabbath...THE Sabbath.

The word (THE) is identifying the Sabbath of creation.

Now if Jesus is your Lord and the Sabbath is the Lord's day then the Sabbath should be our day too.

Now that is a very interesting statment: Jesus was made Lord of the same day God blessed. How can this be according to your theology that Jesus created the world? If Jesus created (made) why wouldn't He also be Lord (Master)? Your quote of Mk 2:28 is great! Notice I changed the color of also in your quote. What was Jesus also Lord of. Is He only Lord of The Venerable Day of Saturn? What about the other six days do they belong to satan?

During Jesus' ministry He never did away with the Sabbath for if He did His followers would not have continued to obeyed the fourth commandment after Jesus' death.

Luke 23:56 They returned and prepared spices and perfumed oils. Then they rested on the sabbath according to the commandment.

They would not have had to obey the fourth commandment after Jesus' death if it was done away with by Jesus while He was alive. Now that the testator has died we cannot make changes to the will or covenant.

Hebrews 9:17 The will goes into effect only after the death of the person who wrote it. While he is still alive no one can use it to get any of those things he has promised them.

See how simple it is...

You are simply in love with false premises, aren't you?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Just because the Law was added does not mean it was not part of creation.

Remember, it was added because of transgression, which means people were violating them and receiving punishment before they were written down.

We observe them all in a spiritual way because they reveal God's plan of salvation. But don't confuse the holy days that came as a result of sin with the seventh day of creation, which came before sin and was part of creation itself. Sin was not part of creation.

Indeed you are funny.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Excellent Correct understanding.

The context of the phrase "the law was added "....conveys that the law was added to the promises given to Abraham not to Adam. clickGal 3:15-19 ....verse 18 goes on to explain that; if the law was a condition then it cant be by promise.

Dude, apply the scriptures to understanding given in the context of the text you quote from and stop contradicting God's word.

We will call you out on it.

Respectfully
CRIB

The word translated as 'added' means annexed. The word annexed could be used without changing the meaning. The word amended could also be used.

bugkiller

 

[Cribstyl]

Thanks for dropping by this thread bugkiller.. That's what this forum is all about.

Family should expose false teachings or people will reject God's word in exchange for commentary.

 

[Laodicean]

If sabbath was instituted at creation for all of mankind, why was it given 2500yrs later as a sign to seperate one nation called Israel from all other nations of the world, if sabbath was ever instituted at creation?

Genesis 2:2: And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Genesis 2:3: And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Therefore, the seventh-day Sabbath rest was instituted at creation. It later became more than just a memorial of creation. It became a memorial of recreation, of being brought out of bondage.

It is evident today and scriptually, that marriage was instituted at creation.

and God's sanctification of the seventh day was also instituted at creation, if the Genesis record is to be believed.

Did God's original plan for the sabbath fail or are commentaries wrong and the scriptures accurate?

God's original plan for the Sabbath fails whenever we forget that He is the Creator of the universe, when we forget that He set aside a special day and sanctified it as a day to remember Him and His creative work. I've always felt that as long as we remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy, we can never be an evolutionist (of the macro-believing variety), because we will always remember that the universe did not self-evolve, but was created.

Exd 31:17It [is] a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.


Why did not God hint that it was for all of mankind?
The scriptures say clearly...... it was commanded for one nation to keep.

God had to start somewhere. He started by calling out a people through whom He hoped to reach the rest of the world. He proclaimed, through Jewish scripture the words: "Look unto me and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth, for I am God and there is none else." Isaiah 45:22. So the Sabbath was first a sign between God and Israel, but it was to be extended to the rest of th world through their witness.

Eze 20:12Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I [am] the LORD that sanctify them.

Eze 20:20And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.

Why cant we say what God sayeth about the sabbath rather than what commentary declares?

the Sabbath is a sign between God and Abraham's children (the Israelites), but we gentiles have been grafted into the vine through Jesus Christ so that "if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Galatians 3:29. The Sabbath, then, applies to us as much as to the Jews, for we too are considered to be Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise.

 

[Restin]

Genesis 2:2: And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made;
and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Genesis 2:3: And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:
because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Therefore, the seventh-day Sabbath rest was instituted at creation.
It later became more than just a memorial of creation. It became
a memorial of recreation,of being brought out of bondage. [emphasis...R]

I believe, the work of creating us 'in the image of God' followed by His rest, comes first in types and symbols, bringing faith and hope. The reality comes as scripture is fulfilled, in the time God has appointed.

In Gen 2:3, The 7th day is God's work to 'BLESS' and 'SANCTIFY' what has been 'FINISHED'! This work is not completed till God finishes His work of creating 'His image...in both male & female'. Then, and only then will God rest from His creating!

When His image (his Spirit) lives In us and We In HIM, the work of creating is 'finished',
God's work of BLESSING and SANCTIFYING is what seals this work of creating, then REST follows...

 

[mastoark]

Genesis 2

(2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.)

If you compare the first six days to the seventh day you see that there is always a statement to bring each day to a end. This statement was not included following the description of the seventh day which did not have a endpoint this is where God Rested.

Adam and Eve then entered into gods rest and where given 1 commandment not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

breaking this commandment was death, and by doing so they were no longer in Gods rest and where driven from the garden.



God can only bring man back into rest now through Christ. Also If the Sabbath were a shadow of God's rest in Christ, man could not possibly be brought into this rest without the shedding of the blood of the paschal lamb which pointed to the great sacrificial Lamb of God.


Sorry i may of expanded the topic some

 

[VictorC]

Genesis 2:2: And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Genesis 2:3: And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Therefore, the seventh-day Sabbath rest was instituted at creation.

Where?
I commend you on finding God's "My rest", but this event you found never repeated in a weekly period like the sabbath did, and Jesus flatly stated that the sabbth was "made for man" in Mark 2:27, showing that God's rest wasn't the origin of the sabbath.