What value is Homosexuality to society?

[Zebra1552]

...to you.

No, to God. Try reading what He's inspired sometime.

 

[Zaac]

Go ahead, ignore them in favor of preaching the Bible they don't believe in.

And exactly what do YOU suggest that God's people preach? For several threads now , you have seemed to have been suggesting that you know something that God does not. So please, fill us in.

 

[Zebra1552]

And exactly what do YOU suggest that God's people preach? For several threads now , you have seemed to have been suggesting that you know something that God does not. So please, fill us in.

I don't suggest I know more than God, I suggest I know more than those who would preach at people rather than engage them on their level. Really, Zaac, you expect to trip me up by something like this?
I suggest that God's people stop preaching at people and actually build a relationship with them. As Paul stated: 1Co 9:22-23 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some. I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it.

 

[David Brider]

Without the sex, there is is not homosexuality.

Actually, no, you're wrong.

Otherwise, all homosexuals would be sexually active.

Which, obviously, they're not.

David.

 

[Zaac]

I don't suggest I know more than God, I suggest I know more than those who would preach at people rather than engage them on their level.

And what does that mean?

Really, Zaac, you expect to trip me up by something like this?

Just looking for an honest answer. You seem to have some idea that the rest of us don't know about. So do tell.

I suggest that God's people stop preaching at people and actually build a relationship with them.

And how does God's word being preached interfere with this?

As Paul stated: 1Co 9:22-23 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some. I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it.

Did he ever say to not preach the Gospel?

 

[Beanieboy]

Without the sex, there is is not homosexuality. I can enjoy the companionship of anyone I choose and that is called friendship. It is the sexual contact that is a problem.

A man can date a woman, and not have sex, and it is very much heterosexual, because they are attracted to one another both emotionally and physically.

Unfortunately, you have deduced all relationships to sex.

One can be nonsexual with a man, and be in love with him, which is very much homosexual, just as a man can be nonsexual but in love with a woman.

Sex is not the majority of what relationships are about. It is an important part, but it isn't the only part, such as you suggest. Most of it is romantic love, and sex comes from that, just as when one kisses the other without thinking, but because they love them.

But you already know this.

 

[LittleNipper]

A man can date a woman, and not have sex, and it is very much heterosexual, because they are attracted to one another both emotionally and physically.

Unfortunately, you have deduced all relationships to sex.

One can be nonsexual with a man, and be in love with him, which is very much homosexual, just as a man can be nonsexual but in love with a woman.

Sex is not the majority of what relationships are about. It is an important part, but it isn't the only part, such as you suggest. Most of it is romantic love, and sex comes from that, just as when one kisses the other without thinking, but because they love them.

But you already know this.

So, my best friend took me to the movies when I was a teen. His dad paid for my ticket... It is the sex that is wrong and not the love. We both loved HO trains. He had tropical fish and I enjoy woodworking. We both built models and blew them up in the woods in back of my house. I was in his wedding and he was in mine ------ but we didn't marry each other.

I kissed two guys. One was a friend whose dad died. He broke down in my arms and I kissed his cheek. And one was my brother-in-law and that dude even slipped me the tongue. He was just trying to wierd me out.

 

[Zebra1552]

And what does that mean?

Just what it says. Engage them on their level.

Just looking for an honest answer. You seem to have some idea that the rest of us don't know about. So do tell.

I gave you an honest answer. If that's not good enough, then tough.

And how does God's word being preached interfere with this?

Because people don't like being preached at, they care about you caring.

Did he ever say to not preach the Gospel?

Where is it written that we must do this all the time to all people?

 

[Polycarp1]

I don't suggest I know more than God, I suggest I know more than those who would preach at people rather than engage them on their level. Really, Zaac, you expect to trip me up by something like this?
I suggest that God's people stop preaching at people and actually build a relationship with them. As Paul stated: 1Co 9:22-23 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some. I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it.

Quoted for truth.

We are not told to enforce God's law, or what we perceive to be God's law, on others. We are told to make disciples of them, to love them as ourselves.

"Listen to me, darn it!" Haven't you heard that from people? Understand what they're saying, don't filter it through your preconceptions of why they might be saying it: "because it's PC," "because they're lib'ruls", "Because they want to excuse away sin", and all the rest. Listening does not mean you have to agree or condone; it just means to care enough to threat them as people -- and Christ tells us explicitly to do so.

 

[Fenny the Fox]

So, my best friend took me to the movies when I was a teen. His dad paid for my ticket... It is the sex that is wrong and not the love. We both loved HO trains. He had tropical fish and I enjoy woodworking. We both built models and blew them up in the woods in back of my house. I was in his wedding and he was in mine ------ but we didn't marry each other.

I kissed two guys. One was a friend whose dad died. He broke down in my arms and I kissed his cheek. And one was my brother-in-law and that dude even slipped me the tongue. He was just trying to wierd me out.

There is a huge difference between what he said and what you said.

He simply stated that one can be homosexual and not have sex. Just as one can be heterosexual and not have sex. One can be in a relationship and not have sex - regardless of the sex of the two involved people.

A kiss can have many meanings. In a relationship based on romantic love they are much different than those of a platonic love, a friendship.

There are different forms of love, narrowing all down to "friendship" or sex is not a good idea.

 

[LittleNipper]

There is a huge difference between what he said and what you said.

He simply stated that one can be homosexual and not have sex. Just as one can be heterosexual and not have sex. One can be in a relationship and not have sex - regardless of the sex of the two involved people.

A kiss can have many meanings. In a relationship based on romantic love they are much different than those of a platonic love, a friendship.

There are different forms of love, narrowing all down to "friendship" or sex is not a good idea.

What I can say is that enjoying the company of women or men doesn't make one a homoSEXual. It is the SEX one engages or thinks of having that establishes the sexual preference...

If I think of killing someone and I dwell on that fixation, I am likely going to become a murderer. But the reality is that I'm not a murderer until I do the deed. The more I dwell on it, the more likely I'm going to do such.

 

[IzzyPop]

What I can say is that enjoying the company of women or men doesn't make one a homoSEXual. It is the SEX one engages or thinks of having that establishes the sexual preference...

If I think of killing someone and I dwell on that fixation, I am likely going to become a murderer. But the reality is that I'm not a murderer until I do the deed. The more I dwell on it, the more likely I'm going to do such.

To quote Scrubs: (To the tune of a grandfather clock hitting the hour)Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!


Homosexuality is the orientation, not the act. The SEX that you are highlighting in the word has nothing to do with the physical act of fornication but rather the gender of the person one is attracted to. You have been told this several times. If a learning disability is involved, I recommend that you read this a few times over so that it may actually stick this time. If it isn't a learning disability then at what point is what you are doing bearing false witness?

Furthermore, using the example of a murderer as an analogy to homosexuality is poor taste, at best. You are helping to draw a line connecting the two in a reader's mind. Try to use an analogy that fits the situation a bit better. Left-handedness, eye color, hair color, or skin color works well. They are all inborn, just like homosexuality whereas murder has not been shown to have an in uetero basis.

 

[Mobiosity]

To quote Scrubs: (To the tune of a grandfather clock hitting the hour)Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!


Homosexuality is the orientation, not the act. The SEX that you are highlighting in the word has nothing to do with the physical act of fornication but rather the gender of the person one is attracted to. You have been told this several times. If a learning disability is involved, I recommend that you read this a few times over so that it may actually stick this time. If it isn't a learning disability then at what point is what you are doing bearing false witness?

Furthermore, using the example of a murderer as an analogy to homosexuality is poor taste, at best. You are helping to draw a line connecting the two in a reader's mind. Try to use an analogy that fits the situation a bit better. Left-handedness, eye color, hair color, or skin color works well. They are all inborn, just like homosexuality whereas murder has not been shown to have an in uetero basis.

You are purposely ignoring those who have come out of the homosexual lifestyle. They were attracted to members of their own sex and through counseling they have been straightened out. (Yes I know it's a pun, it was too good to go to waste.) They have yet to identify a "gay gene", there is a lot of anecdotal evidence both ways, not yet anything definitive.

 

[levi501]

The word homosexual in the US is used in the vernacular to convey one that has a predominately same sex persuasion regardless of action.

Now you may disagree... throw a trantrum... want to take your toys and go home, but that doesn't change how the word is used in everyday speech.

 

[Skaloop]

You are purposely ignoring those who have come out of the homosexual lifestyle. They were attracted to members of their own sex and through counseling they have been straightened out. (Yes I know it's a pun, it was too good to go to waste. They have yet to identify a "gay gene", there is a lot of anecdotal evidence both ways, not yet anything definitive.

There are also people who have come out (another unwasteable pun) of the heterosexual lifestyle.

Also, has anyone identified a "straight gene"?

 

[Fenny the Fox]

What I can say is that enjoying the company of women or men doesn't make one a homoSEXual. It is the SEX one engages or thinks of having that establishes the sexual preference...

If I think of killing someone and I dwell on that fixation, I am likely going to become a murderer. But the reality is that I'm not a murderer until I do the deed. The more I dwell on it, the more likely I'm going to do such.

I would argue the two are different situations.

One being an ingrained thought pattern - a sub-conscience endeavor - (homosexuality), while the other is a conscience heavy thought process (murdering someone). One does not have to think heavily on if one is attracted sexually/physically to someone; one does have to think heavily on the idea of murder.

Sexual attraction simply occurs. You don't decide on it.

- Do you have to actually think to yourself, "is she hot or is she ugly? Am I attracted to her or not?"
--- I would wager a bet that the answer is "no, I don't have to think about that: I either am or I'm not."

Am I wrong?



Having a friendship and being romantically involved are two very different feelings. Hopefully one feels romantically - and otherwise - for the person one is dating (although it is not always the case...), but dating and friendship are not the same.

One can actively say to themselves "I don't want to be attracted to this man/woman: they are the same sex as me. I want to be attracted that that girl/guy over there, then there would not be a problem with it." But I doubt if that ever really works out or changes the fact.
And -believe you me - I have definitely tried it!


But, you're right in that enjoying the company of someone does not make you homosexual, nor does it make you otherwise. I often enjoy being with my best friend - a girl: that doesn't make me straight. And, I enjoy being with another close friend - a guy: and, that doesn't make me gay.

 

[IzzyPop]

You are purposely ignoring those who have come out of the homosexual lifestyle.

Not at all. Human sexuality is on a continuum, not a hard and fast rule.

They were attracted to members of their own sex and through counseling they have been straightened out. (Yes I know it's a pun, it was too good to go to waste.

Yep. Around 2%. And even that number is a bit buggy (Even NARTH says so). And the negative side effects of this therapy are bad enough that the APA has informed its members that it no longer considers it to be an option.

They have yet to identify a "gay gene", there is a lot of anecdotal evidence both ways, not yet anything definitive.

Nope. No gene, per se, but the anecdotal evidence clearly points to nature. Everything from twin studies to the odds of a male being homosexual increasing with the more older brothers he has shows that there is something happening in the womb to cause homosexuality.

 

[levi501]

You are purposely ignoring those who have come out of the homosexual lifestyle. They were attracted to members of their own sex and through counseling they have been straightened out. (Yes I know it's a pun, it was too good to go to waste. They have yet to identify a "gay gene", there is a lot of anecdotal evidence both ways, not yet anything definitive.

Most of these "coming outs" result in residivism. They haven't actually changed but suppressed. Regardless, these "changes" represent a miniscule portion of the gay population.

In regards to the "gay gene", homosexuality is seen through out the animal kingdom. Do those penguins make an moral decision to be gay? So why do you think humans do? Also, consider whether heterosexuality is a choice for you? Can you just flip a switch or is it something innate about you? Also, consider what motivation is there to be homosexual if it really wasn't apart of who you are. Roughly 3-9% of our population is gay and endure inequality, derision and condemnation, so what exactly is the attractiveness for such a large portion of our population. Do you see what the attractiveness is? Of course not. There isn't one. They're that way inspite of the hardships they have to endure because it's the hand that was dealt to them.

 

[Zaac]

Just what it says. Engage them on their level.

And what level would that be?

I gave you an honest answer. If that's not good enough, then tough.

So your miraculousanswer is to do it your way instead of Gods? Got it.

Because people don't like being preached at, they care about you caring.

Just call me gifted. I can rub my belly and pat my head at the same time. And I can preach and care at the same time.

Where is it written that we must do this all the time to all people?

Where is it written that we are to pick and choose the people to whom we do things our way instead of Gods?

 

[Zebra1552]

And what level would that be?

Theirs. Didn't you bother to read what I said?

So your miraculousanswer is to do it your way instead of Gods? Got it.

No, my answer is to do it the way Jesus did it- with compassion rather than by condemnation. Nice false accusation you have going. Too bad it's not supported by facts.

Just call me gifted. I can rub my belly and pat my head at the same time. And I can preach and care at the same time.

You cannot, however, show them that you care and have them care for it by preaching all the time. Go read Ecclesiastes 3.

Where is it written that we are to pick and choose the people to whom we do things our way instead of Gods?

How am I doing things my way instead of God's?