What tribe are you?

[SpaceProg]

I'm cherokee and creek

Cool, there's one!

 

[Starcrystal]

Oh Awesome, StarCrystal, I'm so into this very subject. I was reading about some ancestors on my mom's side--mostly white, but I found an interesting legend about one of my mom's ancestors in the 1600's. His name was Augustine Bearse and came over from England--the story was that he was a Romany Gypsy and was banished from England. He came over to Massachusetts and married a Wampanoag woman named Mary Hyanno. It was said she was fair with red hair. I thought that was odd and had assumed that was probably an addition by those ashamed to have dark skinned ancestors, but what you say makes sense, now. I've been so fascinated with ancient inscriptions on rocks, etc, Barry Fell's book, America BC, etc. Just last night I was reading about Ophir where gold from the temple was brought from. Some believe Ophir is Peru. Ps 45 mentions the daughter of Ophir dressed in woven garment of gold. Well, there's a website that shows photos of gold woven incan garments from Peru from a long time ago. Could it be that Solomon had an Incan bride???

I was just recently reading about Ophir too! I think there was speculation it was either Peru/Brazil or maybe even the southern U.S.
Americas Stonehenge does have ancient Celtic & Pictish writing, and the serpent mound in Ohio is identicle to those in Scotland.
That's what I've been researching lately, the ancients people of Alba (Scottland) but they are even related to Natives back in the distant past. Mitakuye Oyasin!

 

[cherokeehippie]

Oh yeah, I'm trying to find out something about almug wood--it's only mentioned a few times in scripture(as one of the items brought from Ophir along with gold that was incorporated n the temple that Solomon built. Scholars think that Almug and Algum(a tree in Lebanon) are the same thing, but I'm wondering if Almug was from the New World and that the Phoenicans and Hebrews might have given it a name similar to algum, because it reminded them of it. It's usually assumed that almug is sandalwood from India, but I have a hunch that if we find out what it really was, then it would be a clue to where Ophir really was!

 

[VictorianVelvet]

Oh yeah, I'm trying to find out something about almug wood--it's only mentioned a few times in scripture(as one of the items brought from Ophir along with gold that was incorporated n the temple that Solomon built. Scholars think that Almug and Algum(a tree in Lebanon) are the same thing, but I'm wondering if Almug was from the New World and that the Phoenicans and Hebrews might have given it a name similar to algum, because it reminded them of it. It's usually assumed that almug is sandalwood from India, but I have a hunch that if we find out what it really was, then it would be a clue to where Ophir really was!

Now that is interesting. About a year or so ago there was something on one of the PBS channels about how the ancient Egyptians used tobacco in their mummifying process. Tobacco is not native to Egypt or surrounding areas, only to the New World. They have to speculate that East met West far earlier than any of us knows about, it appears. Since none of the mummies exhibited lung cancer, they know they didn't smoke the stuff, only preserved things in it.

 

[cherokeehippie]

I heard about that, too!! I don't know why the mainstream archaeologists, etc, won't admit to these 'anomalies'. If some 'out of place' inscription is found--like the Bat Creek Hebrew inscription, that was found in a burial in TN back in the 1800's, they automatically list it as a fake. I heard somewhere that the Smithonsonian took a whole load of these 'anomalies' and dumped them in the ocean. Got rid of them. There's even a petroglyph of the ten commandments in paleo-Hebrew out in Los Lunas NM!

 

[ravenscape]

I find it strange that there's gobs of Cherokee-descended people, but I don't see many with Creek blood.

The Creek and Cherokee hunting lands bordered each other and as such, there were numerous skirmishes between them. One of the most notable and deadly being at Chickamauga (Means "River of Blood" in Cherokee. Kind of wild that the site was also one of the bloodiest battles of the Civil War).

I wonder how many of the people here that claim Cherokee ancestry could also claim Creek or maybe even Chickasaw. Sometimes the lineages blur over the years.

No question that there's both Cherokee and Creek in my family tree. Possibly more Creek that Cherokee. I'm 1/8 or more ndn. Maybe 1/4.

 

[Starcrystal]

No question that there's both Cherokee and Creek in my family tree. Possibly more Creek that Cherokee. I'm 1/8 or more ndn. Maybe 1/4.

I see the Creeks are coming out now!
And there's that Cherokee/Creek mix we were talking about yesterday.

 

[SpaceProg]

I think all I can attest to is Cherokee.

I think it's funny how some folks say "My great great grandmother was a Cherokee princess!"

Tch... The Cherokee didn't have princesses...

 

[rosenherman]

My Grandmother was full blood Choctaw.

 

[Starcrystal]

I think all I can attest to is Cherokee.

I think it's funny how some folks say "My great great grandmother was a Cherokee princess!"

Tch... The Cherokee didn't have princesses...

I think that term got coined by some Elizebethian Europeans who came over here. Besides, how come only the Cherokee had "Princesses?" Well, I've heard, "my great great grandmother was an Indian princess" too.
Maybe they are refering to geneologies that could be traced to the female leaders of matrilineal tribes? But somehow I don't think that's what they're claiming!
Even Pochahontas was considered a Princess, but in reality she was just a member of the Powhatan tribe that probably had a little wisdom. Actually she ended up fitting into the classical role of damsel in distress because she was held captive for almost a year and had to be rescued. Her real story is here:
http://www.powhatan.org/pocc.html

 

[SpaceProg]

Pochahontas' story was a bit tragic wasn't it? She died in a foreign land of a foreign disease...

 

[Tulip]

I'm 100% Norwegian, born and raised in Norway. My husband is 100% Ojibway and we live on a small rez in Ontario.

 

[Starcrystal]

Pochahontas' story was a bit tragic wasn't it? She died in a foreign land of a foreign disease...

Yes, and from what I understand her "grave" is buried under rubble where they built a church over there in England.
I can understand why the tribe doesn't like the romanticized story told in the Pocahontas movie. Sure, kids love it, and it is a nice story, but I wish they would put a disclaimer on it stating it does not portray accurate history....
Of course they couldn't have made a childrens movie based on the accurate history!

Now one thing I tend to disagree with the tribe on however, is that Pocahontas' (Matoaka's) decendents are not able to be registered with the tribe. I read that somewhere on one of their sites. It's not her fault that she bore children by an Englishman and had decendents mixed with English blood. Personally I think they SHOULD be recognized and allowed at least partial tribal affiliation. I don't really agree with the "blood quantum" rules of many tribes. In the past a tribe would adapt any such offspring decended from one of their chiefs (or any tribal member) as their own. That's before they had written rules & laws. It's not the tribe I'm from, but it's my wife's tribe, and I've also run into other tribes who have registration requirements based on a certain blood percentage.

The crazy thing is, someone can be half or 4/5 Native blood and not even know their own Native culture, yet be recognized by the tribe. But someone with 1/8 or less blood who fully knows and lives the Native culture is not able to be registered with the tribe. In the old tribal ways they based tribal recognition more on whether or not a person knew and lived the tribal ways - if they were an "Indian" at heart and in action. Even non-natives could attain this recognition!

In my wifes lineage she can trace decent all the way back to Pocahontas father, and her Great Great Grandmother was full blooded Cherokee who married one of the Powhatan/English decendents. So my wife *possibly* can get registered in the Cherokee, but not the Powhatan. That's what we're working on doing now. In fact she just got back from a trip to the east coast where she picked up the documentation for the Powhatan geneology - like 20 pages of records!

 

[Nova Scotian Boy]

My family is one of very few nowadays that can claim Beothuk ancestry. The Beothuk were the Natives of Newfoundland, sadly they were wiped out complete genocide and there are no more full blooded Beothuk, but my family from my grandmothers side is decended to them. Of course the culture is gone in from my family considering this was atleast 6 generations back.

 

[tateziwin]

Tanyan unhipi na lila imayuskin!
Tateziwin emaciyapi tka maLakota sni.
Itokagata Australia el wati na wasicu winyan hemaca ksto.
Lakoliyapi wowaglaka sicaya, slolwaye!!
WakanTanka nic'i un.
Tateziwin miye.

 

[Starcrystal]

Tanyan unhipi na lila imayuskin!
Tateziwin emaciyapi tka maLakota sni.
Itokagata Australia el wati na wasicu winyan hemaca ksto.
Lakoliyapi wowaglaka sicaya, slolwaye!!
WakanTanka nic'i un.
Tateziwin miye.

Ok, I may not have been around people who speak Lakota in 7 years, but I gather you are Lakota, or part Lakota, and something about white woman (wasichu winyan) in Australia...and the Great Spirit (Wakan Tanka).
Lila is "very" or "much" but I don't know what imayuskin is.
OK, I need Lakota lessons, but I did live on a lakota Rez one summer

 

[Lester Falls-Apart]

Chinnok

 

[ravenscape]

Chinnok

Welcome, Lester Falls-Apart!

 

[AZ man]

You grew up in Rock Point? .

I the Rez

 

[New Creation]

This is a fascinating thread- Starcrystal and CherokeeHippee- that stuff you are talking about intrigues me deeply. Can you recommend some good reading?

My almost-husband has Mic-Mac blood, but very little. It was his Great great great great great great great grandmother and all they know is that she was born around 1663 and that she was from the Mic-Mac tribe.