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Anytime you take some verses from a chapter and disregard the relevant connecting scriptures - you will end up with a misunderstanding
Today right THIS minute "mystery of lawlessness is already at work."2 thessalonians 2:6 And you know what is restraining HIM NOW so that HE may be revealed in HIS time.
2 thessalonians 2:7 the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only HE who NOW restrains it will do so until HE is out of the way.
Scripture does not say who the restrainer was, only that it was a he. Scripture does not say who the man of lawlessness was, only that it was a man.
So there was a man, currently during the time of paul, that was restraining the man of lawlessness from setting himself up in the temple. Why would Paul's audience assume that this was about a temple 2000+ years later and not the one that was currently standing in their time? Why didn't paul clarify that it was about a temple 2000+ years later and not the one that was standing in their day?
I mean, I view scripture through a 'preterist' lens, so I agree that the man of lawlessness was destroyed at the coming of Christ when Jerusalem and temple were destoryed.
Today right THIS minute "mystery of lawlessness is already at work."
The mystery of lawlessness IS satans work - it is just another way of saying that satan is at work
THEE Man of Lawlessness has not yet come .
That Man of Lawlessness will only be revealed AFTER the Power of God has stepped out of the way to allow the Power of satan to run his course
It boldly states that GOD is sending the Man of Lawlessness
You have obviously made up your mind, you don't want a new Temple; even if God does!
And who was he?2 thessalonians 2:6 And you know what is restraining HIM NOW so that HE may be revealed in HIS time.
2 thessalonians 2:7 the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only HE who NOW restrains it will do so until HE is out of the way.
Scripture does not say who the restrainer was, only that it was a he. Scripture does not say who the man of lawlessness was, only that it was a man.
So there was a man, currently during the time of paul, that was restraining the man of lawlessness from setting himself up in the temple. Why would Paul's audience assume that this was about a temple 2000+ years later and not the one that was currently standing in their time? Why didn't paul clarify that it was about a temple 2000+ years later and not the one that was standing in their day?
I mean, I view scripture through a 'preterist' lens, so I agree that the man of lawlessness was destroyed at the coming of Christ when Jerusalem and temple were destoryed.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 and Revelation 11:1-2 are perfectly plain; there WILL be a new Temple in Jerusalem. It is part of God's plan, integral to how the last days will be fulfilled.Please provide scripture that under the new covenant, "God wants" a "3rd or new" physical earthly temple building.
It is you who 'rips' out Hebrews 8:10-12, because they prove you wrong. They await fulfilment.I did not address Hebrews 8:10-12 by itself, because you have ripped those two verses out of their context to make your doctrine work.
If you think your sin debt has not been fulfilled yet, you need to read the New Testament again.
We are all sinners, none are righteous..... and if we claim to be without sin, we are self deceived and the truth is not in us. But if we confess our sins, He will forgive them and cleanse us of all unrighteousness. If we say we have committed no sin, then we make Jesus out to be a liar and His Word has no place in us. 1 John 1:8-10Scripture literally disagrees with you:
Because of the depth of this , I will have to take it a little bit at a time , I don't have enough time to explain it all in one post so it will take probably take several posts to explain itObviously the mystery of iniquity is still at work today, in this world. We live in a sinful world. The mystery of sin itself, is exactly that, a mystery. Why God allows sin to exist, why he allowed it to enter the world. The only guess that I can make is that even sin has a part to play in God's unrevealed divine will, and that it will play a part in ultimately glorifying God.
However, the mystery of lawlessness is not the man of lawlessness.
The mystery of lawlessness/iniquity/sin is exactly what it says it is: a mystery.
The man of lawlessness existed in the time of Paul
2 thessalonians 2:6 you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time.
scripture does not say satan was now being restrained before he would enter a human and turn him into the man of sin, it says the man of sin was now being restrained.
Paul does not explain in this letter what/who is doing the restraining. He only states that he told them and that they knew what/who was doing the restraining. And it/he was restraining the man of lawless in the time of Paul.
2 thessalonians 2:5-6 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And YOU KNOW what is restraining him NOW so that he may be revealed in his time
Exactly which verse in 2 thessalonians 2 boldly states that God is sending the man of lawlessness?
2 thessalonians 2:7 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,
However, it does say God sends a delusion so that they will be believe what is false, IN ORDER that they may be condemned.
2 thessalonians 2:11-12 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, IN ORDER that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness
Now why would God send a delusion, almost forcing those to believe what is false? In order to condemn them. But is it fair for God to that? How could God then find fault?
Romans 9:19-23
You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory—
Who are the vessels prepared for destruction? unbelieving Israel, which was about the be destroyed.
Romans 9:27-28 And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the sons of Israelc be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved, 28for the Lord will carry out his sentence upon the earth fully and without delay.” 29And as Isaiah predicted,
It is you who 'rips' out Hebrews 8:10-12, because they prove you wrong. They await fulfilment.
Pretty tough to make a stand like that when EVERY time Jesus said "this generation" before that, it represented the very people He was speaking to! Why would it suddenly mean the future.That's not what our Lord Jesus said. He connected the generation that would see those things with the event of His 2nd coming, and that event is... still future to us today.
Actually I hold that it's you that's out of context. 2 Thessalonians was written to the church at Thessalonica. Why would Paul inform them about something they wouldn't see happen??? He clearly says the mystery was ALREADY at work. Those believers were seeing things that led them to seek instruction from the apostle Paul...and he gave told them. We Christians today should see it as guidance in how we are to behave, because the next coming of Christ is the end!Likewise in 2 Thess.2, Apostle Paul revealed the Antichrist and apostasy must occur prior to Christ's coming and gathering of His Church, and that has not happened yet either. Those on your theory definitely are guilty of taking both Jesus and Paul out of context in those Scriptures, just so they can keep their own tradition of men.
So you think there is nothing dramatic to happen before Jesus Returns?because the next coming of Christ is the end!
Read what I said again Keras, it says nothing about events to come. It simply says the next time Christ comes...it's the end.So you think there is nothing dramatic to happen before Jesus Returns?
Why do you spend time here, with that belief?
Actually it's a new beginning!Read what I said again Keras, it says nothing about events to come. It simply says the next time Christ comes...it's the end.
Actually it's a new beginning!
And who was he?
2 Thessalonians 2:4 and Revelation 11:1-2 are perfectly plain; there WILL be a new Temple in Jerusalem. It is part of God's plan, integral to how the last days will be fulfilled.
I say again: We Christians are the spiritual Temple of God during this Church age. This does not preclude another Temple being built in Jerusalem. Zechariah 6:15
We are all sinners, none are righteous..... and if we claim to be without sin, we are self deceived and the truth is not in us. But if we confess our sins, He will forgive them and cleanse us of all unrighteousness. If we say we have committed no sin, then we make Jesus out to be a liar and His Word has no place in us. 1
Its so obvious that we have not yet received the pardon for all our sins.
But if we confess our sins, He will forgive them and cleanse us of all unrighteousness
Pretty tough to make a stand like that when EVERY time Jesus said "this generation" before that, it represented the very people He was speaking to! Why would it suddenly mean the future.
Actually I hold that it's you that's out of context. 2 Thessalonians was written to the church at Thessalonica. Why would Paul inform them about something they wouldn't see happen??? He clearly says the mystery was ALREADY at work. Those believers were seeing things that led them to seek instruction from the apostle Paul...and he gave told them. We Christians today should see it as guidance in how we are to behave, because the next coming of Christ is the end!
It's only tough for those brainwashed into thinking the word 'generation' only can mean a people of origin.
That's not how Jesus was applying "generation" in His Olivet discourse. He was speaking of a generation of time, not a specific people.
That's such a vain argument.
If what you say were true then it would mean God's Holy Writ is meaningless for today.
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