What the brain is really for (get ready for this)

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Meat often has energy in it
I read that the human cell has a potential of .07 volts and we have trillions of cells, do the math. Now I understand what it means when some say that dude has bad vibes.
 
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A mice fish never heard of one, I've heard of fish that eat mice.

A mouse is a fish depending on how you define "fish".

This isn't as weird a statement as it sounds if one has a working understanding of biology.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I looked it up and there's alot about personality changes but here one about memory. No wonder the bible always talks about the heart.

Biblical language about the heart isn't medical, but poetical. The heart represents a person's center, their core. The organ itself can't store memory, or process emotion--it pumps blood. It can't anymore do that than a liver or kidney could.

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A mouse is a fish depending on how you define "fish".

This isn't as weird a statement as it sounds if one has a working understanding of biology.

-CryptoLutheran
A mouse with gills and scales huh, that would be a weird biology
 
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Biblical language about the heart isn't medical, but poetical. The heart represents a person's center, their core. The organ itself can't store memory, or process emotion--it pumps blood. It can't anymore do that than a liver or kidney could.

-CryptoLutheran
I found out recently that it's not true. There are brain cells in the heart. That is why transplants cause personality changes and other memories.
 
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A mouse with gills and scales huh, that would be a weird biology

That's one way to define "fish", e.g. "gills and scales", but that would exclude fish from being fish. So it's not a useful definition of a fish.

That's actually kind of a problem itself, "fish" could be argued to be be kind of meaningless.

As far as your definition of "gills and scales", that would exclude, for example catfish which don't have scales (which is the reason why catfish are treyf in Judaism).

At any rate, the reason why a mouse could be called a "fish" is if are operating by clades, then a mouse is a sarcoptergyian (the lobe-finned fishes and their descendants). In the same way that a mouse is a rodent, and a mammal, and an amniote, and a tetrapod.

But, as a rule, we don't usually use the term "fish" to describe tetrapods, but use "fish" in such a way that it includes all sarcoptergyians except tetrapods.

Your definition of "gills and scales" is a description of many animals that we can call "fish", but it is hardly exhaustive nor biological. That would be like saying that the definition of "bird" is "thing that flies with feathers", that describes the majority of animals we call birds, though it excludes flightless birds such as most ratites.

That's why grouping animals based on things like this are unhelpful in biology--instead grouping animals by relationships is far more helpful.

So, again, it may seem weird to call a mouse a fish, but a mouse is cladistically within the sarcoptergyians. And sarcoptergyians are gnathostomates, which also include the arctinopterygians (ray-finned fish). Which means that a salmon is more closely related to a mouse than either are to a hagfish. Yet we call hagfish "fish" even though they are more distantly related to your goldfish than a mouse.

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I found out recently that it's not true. There are brain cells in the heart. That is why transplants cause personality changes and other memories.

The heart contains neurons which act like the heart's own nervous system. But those aren't brain cells.

I doubt the claim that a heart transplant causes a personality change* or introduces foreign memories.

*I.e. that "personality" in the heart muscle itself introduces personality change; I would accept that getting a heart transplant and all the surrounding medical stress this would put on a person could have a significant effect on a person's psychology.

Though people who get pig heart transplants who suddenly start rooting around for truffles in their back yard would either be a helpful boost to such a theory, or at the very least very amusing.

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The heart contains neurons which act like the heart's own nervous system. But those aren't brain cells.

I doubt the claim that a heart transplant causes a personality change* or introduces foreign memories.

*I.e. that "personality" in the heart muscle itself introduces personality change; I would accept that getting a heart transplant and all the surrounding medical stress this would put on a person could have a significant effect on a person's psychology.

Though people who get pig heart transplants who suddenly start rooting around for truffles in their back yard would either be a helpful boost to such a theory, or at the very least very amusing.

-CryptoLutheran
As this is researched further time will tell, also more and more people are coming out with NDE instead of thinking they are crazy. Long ago I wondered if the bible in some verses talks as if the heart thinks. Peace
 
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That's one way to define "fish", e.g. "gills and scales", but that would exclude fish from being fish. So it's not a useful definition of a fish.

That's actually kind of a problem itself, "fish" could be argued to be be kind of meaningless.

As far as your definition of "gills and scales", that would exclude, for example catfish which don't have scales (which is the reason why catfish are treyf in Judaism).

At any rate, the reason why a mouse could be called a "fish" is if are operating by clades, then a mouse is a sarcoptergyian (the lobe-finned fishes and their descendants). In the same way that a mouse is a rodent, and a mammal, and an amniote, and a tetrapod.

But, as a rule, we don't usually use the term "fish" to describe tetrapods, but use "fish" in such a way that it includes all sarcoptergyians except tetrapods.

Your definition of "gills and scales" is a description of many animals that we can call "fish", but it is hardly exhaustive nor biological. That would be like saying that the definition of "bird" is "thing that flies with feathers", that describes the majority of animals we call birds, though it excludes flightless birds such as most ratites.

That's why grouping animals based on things like this are unhelpful in biology--instead grouping animals by relationships is far more helpful.

So, again, it may seem weird to call a mouse a fish, but a mouse is cladistically within the sarcoptergyians. And sarcoptergyians are gnathostomates, which also include the arctinopterygians (ray-finned fish). Which means that a salmon is more closely related to a mouse than either are to a hagfish. Yet we call hagfish "fish" even though they are more distantly related to your goldfish than a mouse.

-CryptoLutheran
Another way to define a fish from a mouse is one is cold blooded and the other isn't. Salmon aren't closely related to a mouse that's absurd.
 
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It all started with a will, so the soul was first, before the body, but what is the brain, really for, and why do children born without it, still look human? Well, when the body was made, the brainstem was first, it`s where the soul is, "you", and the body is shaped around it, but without an organ inside head, it`s just trap heat, and be in general, empty, so a an organ, the brain, was made to circulate the blood instead of just trapping it inside the head, it`s sort of an bonus-organ, it`s not really needed, so it got features that are benefical as something extra, the second feature, and get ready for this, is actually to make hormones, in nature, all isn`t just food you eat, but also things that makes you feel good, this is what hormones are, they`re in nature, and made by living organisms, to make us feel better and to nutrient us, the pinael-gland is where the result of this production is stored, the hormones, like a soup, that slowly nutrients us, that`s why when you`re young you feel better than when you`re older, because it`s new, you`re new to it, you`d always feel good if you lived a natural life in nature, of course, but since you`re in a society, you get more used to the same stuff, that`s why when you do different tasks, the different areas of the brain, light up, because it`s very complex, it gives certain hormones baced on what you`re doing, and get`s stored in the pinael-gland for slowly drip, if you live an unatural life also, and age bodily because of it, it get`s worse also with time, yes like if you`re holding onto a system like society, or something else, so the soul starts aging and affecting the body, that`s why people get bald also, and get`s cancer, an native wouldn`t get diseases ever, being born without a brain, it`s called a disease, but that`s not the point, the point, is that without it, you still look human and with a personality, and you can smile, move, eat, and so fourth, so the soul isn`t in the brain, so there you go, the brain has atleasts, two abilities, circulate blood, and to make hormones

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