What sin leads unto death? Can we pray for others to be forgiven?

[~Anastasia~]

going to take me a little while to catch up

I have been thinking about the idea of lack of love relating to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit ... if we deny His work in our life, then we (by definition) should be devoid of His love working through us ...

 

[Giver]

Summary of Post #18 - "... the unforgiveable sin is simply failure to truly love."

This is getting closer to defining blaspheming The Holy Spirit (imo) especially when we consider the weight of the two greatest commandments (Matt 22).

Yes we are to love. Love is a gift from God. One needs to love God first, before he or she will be able to love others,

To love God one needs to live the whole Word of God.

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

(Matthew 7:21-23) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

 

[Gxg (G²)]

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I have been thinking about the idea of lack of love relating to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit ... if we deny His work in our life, then we (by definition) should be devoid of His love working through us ...

And if we deny His work in others, we also show the lack of God's love in us - which leads to destruction

 

[Giver]

And if we deny His work in others, we also show the lack of God's love in us - which leads to destruction

And where did that bit of wisdom come from, how do you know if a person’s works are of God or not?

Also Jesus tells me if what is said about God is right or wrong, so shouldn’t everyone allow God to teach him or her?

(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gave teaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.”

 

[SG9]

In 1 John 5 we are told of some situations where we should pray for someone in sin, but that we are not to pray for sin leading unto death.

16 If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask and God will for him give life to those who commit sin not leading to death. There is a sin leading to death; I do not say that he should make request for this. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not leading to death.

V. 16 seems to say that we can pray for the sins of others. Do you think others can be forgiven based on OUR prayers? If not, what does this mean?

And what is the sin leading to death?

In brief, any sin that is not repented of is an "unpardonable sin" by choice of the one in question. This prophecy that you question is of the essence of "timing" in which the sin is first pardonable before it's unpardonable.

Those who are ignorant of the truth are sinful and may learn of their lacking, and they have an opportunity to repent but if after they hear the Truth and still not repent then, their sins are unpardonable by the choice that they make to ignore it.

This then is saying that we are not to pray after the fact that one rejects the Truth for they are not salvageable because they are as good as dead. It will be better for that man to be tied to a mill stone and thrown into deep waters than for that man to see Judgment come upon him for that unpardonable sin.

Only those who have not yet rejected the Light will see it and walk towards it, and they shall come to understand while the others will never come to an understanding, which proves their decision made, and which should be detectable in their fruits.

Now, it's also an issue for those who have rejected the light and still continue in their ways; they are people who believe that they are saved and find no reason why they should repent, and they find no fault in themselves because of the lack of knowledge of G-d. G-d's people are destroyed for the lack of knowledge of Him.

This is why He comes to save those who are dead in Him, and not those dead outside of Him. This is a mystery to many because of an mix-up in their identity. If one believes they are of the seed of Abraham while they are not then, they are deceived and will perish for their ignorance and stubbornness. We ought to pray for them and ourselves that no man be deceived.

It is them who believe they are saved that are in the greatest danger of death for their conscience's might have been seared with the mark of the beast and not that of Yahweh. Judgment is now, and in process, and many might already be marked for death while we know not who they are. I believe that the one who prays for them ought to also examine themselves so that they are not as accusers of the brethren and stand apart as hypocrites. Thanks

 

[Messy]

In 1 John 5 we are told of some situations where we should pray for someone in sin, but that we are not to pray for sin leading unto death.

16 If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask and God will for him give life to those who commit sin not leading to death. There is a sin leading to death; I do not say that he should make request for this. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not leading to death.

V. 16 seems to say that we can pray for the sins of others. Do you think others can be forgiven based on OUR prayers? If not, what does this mean?

And what is the sin leading to death?

Wow, that's a powerful text!! Yes I believe when we pray for others God can save them (1 Timothy and believe and you shall be saved, you and your house). Sin unto death is sin against the Holy Spirit I think. They didn't pray for the pharisees and Jesus didn't pray for Judas.

I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me,[b] that they may be one as We are. 12 While I was with them in the world,[c] I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept;[d] and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

 

[~Anastasia~]

Wow, that's a powerful text!! Yes I believe when we pray for others God can save them (1 Timothy and believe and you shall be saved, you and your house). Sin unto death is sin against the Holy Spirit I think. They didn't pray for the pharisees and Jesus didn't pray for Judas.

I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me,[b] that they may be one as We are. 12 While I was with them in the world,[c] I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept;[d] and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

Thank you, Messy. (I'm still trying to catch up so I'm not posting much here - I have some of GxG's to finish)

I thank you for this. You bring up an excellent point about one's HOUSEHOLD being saved as well. I can recall at least a couple of instances like that in Scripture.

And thank you so much for posting Jesus' own intercessory prayer for us. It's a perfect reminder for me. My heart melted. I've been thinking about intercession because of discussion in another thread, and that was a wonderful reminder for me just now. (Of course this thread is about intercession too, so it's on topic here as well, I just wanted you to know how much I appreciated it.)

 

[Gxg (G²)]

... the unforgiveable sin is simply failure to truly love."

This is getting closer to defining blaspheming The Holy Spirit (imo) especially when we consider the weight of the two greatest commandments (Matt 22).

THose are very heavy commandments....