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Eh, how do you view the scriptures? Just as a product of the culture?
Right, but it doesn't mean allow/respect sin.Which is why good Christians speak out against hate and discrimination.
It makes no difference if that hate is taking the form of racism or anti-Semitism or attacks on homosexuals
Being gay is not a sin, and loving our spouses is not a sin either.Right, but it doesn't mean allow/respect sin.
Right, but it doesn't mean allow/respect sin.
The sin of hatred?Right, but it doesn't mean allow/respect sin.
What do you mean by "accept"? Live with the fact that they do it or say it isn't wrong? "Being" gay isn't a sin, but same-sex sex isn't a sin, as much as me being asexual isn't a sin, but me committing same sex sex would be a sin. Most Christians who accept (NOT worship...) the bible have a good idea what is sin and what isn't, and since I think marriage just to be a sex permit, (Not that it's a bad thing) I see gay marriage as pointless.Being gay is not a sin, and loving our spouses is not a sin either.
Even if you believe that other people's marriages are a sin, you have no choice but to accept their marriages. What are you going to do....picket their house?
Different people have different beliefs about what is sin. If something is not illegal, then people have every right to sin all they want, and there isn't anything people who dislike it can do about it. One person's sin is another person's blessing.
Are these my sins?The sin of hatred?
The sin of prejudice?
The sin of oppression?
By accept it, I mean simply accept the fact that other people get married whether you think their marriage is sin or not. That doesn't mean you have to agree with their marriage or applaud it, but you cannot prevent it. That's what I mean.What do you mean by "accept"? Live with the fact that they do it or say it isn't wrong? "Being" gay isn't a sin, but same-sex sex isn't a sin, as much as me being asexual isn't a sin, but me committing same sex sex would be a sin. Most Christians who accept (NOT worship...) the bible have a good idea what is sin and what isn't, and since I think marriage just to be a sex permit, (Not that it's a bad thing) I see gay marriage as pointless.
Are these my sins?
You do not seem to me like someone who sins in those ways particularly. It's not for me to judge you or anyone, but you seem like a very caring person who thinks things through. I don't see how one could claim that those are your sins as an individual. But I can't say what anyone else's sins are.Are these my sins?
No, no, I mean directly. It seems as if he is attributing those direct things to my character and would like to be certain where I committed said sins so that I may repent. But what you say is true. Thank God for his healing light. @ Ms. Ohioprof: Ah, yeah, but just as much you have to accept that people will accept God's word as what it is and condemn same sex sex. And by "sex permit", I don't mean a "sex permit" with the state, but with God. It's essentially what it is to me.Yes. They are the sins of mankind.
A Christian is like a recovering alcoholic. We can never claim to be free from sin, just recovering from it.
Thank you for your kind words, it's not often I get such a gift.You do not seem to me like someone who sins in those ways particularly. It's not for me to judge you or anyone, but you seem like a very caring person who thinks things through. I don't see how one could claim that those are your sins as an individual. But I can't say what anyone else's sins are.
I do accept that people disagree with me about scripture and about same-sex relationships. I don't really care how other people regard scripture, except when they try to use scripture to justify attacking others or discriminating against others. I do care that people regard same-sex relationships as "sin," only because people try to use that belief to maintain discriminatory laws and policies against us.No, no, I mean directly. It seems as if he is attributing those direct things to my character and would like to be certain where I committed said sins so that I may repent. But what you say is true. Thank God for his healing light. @ Ms. Ohioprof: Ah, yeah, but just as much you have to accept that people will accept God's word as what it is and condemn same sex sex. And by "sex permit", I don't mean a "sex permit" with the state, but with God. It's essentially what it is to me.
You are still missing my point. It does not matter if your points are valid or not. Lincolngreen's original argument is still fallacious.
If I have three arguments, all pointing to the same conclusion, and one of the arguments is fallacious that just means that that specific argument fails. The other arguments may still prove the conclusion. Or they may also be fallacious. Even if all are fallacious, the conclusion may still be true, I just have not proved it.
Of course, in the case of whether the Bible condemns homosexuality, all of the evidence points to the conclusion that it does not. But that is a separate issue from whether lincolngreen's specific argument is fallacious.
You deserve it. You are a thoughtful, kind person who clearly takes her faith seriously, and you should be recognized for that. So I recognize you.Thank you for your kind words, it's not often I get such a gift.
I'm a guy!You deserve it. You are a thoughtful, kind person who clearly takes her faith seriously, and you should be recognized for that. So I recognize you.
The bible condemns the sin of heterosexuality in hundreds of placesYou're just building a house of cards. The bible does condemn the sin of homosexuality in various places. It would behoove you to study the Word of God with the view to knowing God, rather than fulfilling your agenda.
The bible doesn't condemn any orientation. Only acts. Please get your facts straight.The bible condemns the sin of heterosexuality in hundreds of places
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