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Law condemns. It leads to death. It shows us we are imperfect and never capable of perfection. The only way it leads to faith is to show us we need a savior. However, it by itself, can not and will not ever do that. There has to be gospel.
In the new covenant the law is written on our hearts. If I am to love God and others, why would I worship idols, steal, murder, etc? Observance of the Sabbath was never commanded anywhere I see in the New Testament. In face, Jesus' own disciples broke it by harvesting food. That is obviously work. Jesus did not say they should be put to death as the Law commands.
The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
That is the new definition. Full faith in God and trusting in him is keeping the Sabbath - whether we actually work or not. "Now we who have believed enter that rest".
It only takes a cursory view of Hebrews 10:9 where it states "He takes away the first that He may establish the second", and then compare Scripture against what you posted to conclude your contention in complete error.Jesus' didn't come to die on a cross to take away the Ten Commandment, but rather, He died to to take the penalty for breaking them while under the old covenant and He came to establish with His words the terms of a new covneant.
You haven't found a "fourth commandment", which has been a request made to you by more than one member. The narrative Luke wrote shows he apparently had to explain "according to the commandment" to a Gentile recipient of his Gospel account regarding Mary's rest on the sabbath. Once Jesus resurrected and opened the understanding of His disciples, "according to the commandment" of feigned compliance to the first covenant is never found again in Scripture. Assembling on the sabbath days is not compliance to the first covenant law to keep the sabbath holy, which in the law mandates the burnt offerings under a priesthood that has no part in the new covenant.The fact that His followers rested on the Sabbath (According to the 4th commandment) tells us that Jesus made no changes because if He did they would have known about and since He didn't make a change, while He was living, no changes can be made after His death.
I pointed out that Mary complied with both of the sabbaths the historical account reveals in the week Jesus was crucified. You do not. The hypocrisy of your conversation is consistent with your contradiction with Scripture. Others are able to see the inconsistency in your own witness, and want no part of it. In summary, you don't know the law, it shows, and your posts are a joke.BlackSabb said:I don't believe you k4c, you manage to scrimp every little thing you can in a desperate attempt to put people back into the bondage of the law. Just give it up man. No one here is convinced. Seriously dude, the more you twist, distort and take scripture out of context, the more you show everyone how wrong you are. But keep posting. You are a great proponent for NOT keeping the OT Sabbath.
Yes we have freedom to sin.
Yes we do sin.
Yes we are guilty of sin.
Should we sin? No!
You are on a slippery slope if you just stop where you stopped with your understanding of sin and holiness.
Romans 2:13 For the ones that God will justify are not those who have heard the Law but those who have kept the Law.
So very, very clear. I guess God is sending strong delusion.
So God means all of the OT Law? Or just the OT Law that k4c chooses?
Seems that it gets a lot LESS clear when you start telling us which Laws to keep and which to toss out.
Here are the questions you need to answer.
Does the New Testament speak for or against animal sacrifices? Clue: Hebrews 9:12-14
Does the New Testament speak for or against the shadows that came as a result of sin? Clue: Colossians 2:17-18
Does the New Testament speak for or against the Ten Commandments? Clue: Ephesians 6:1-3
Does the New Testament say it did away with the Law or does it say it writes the Law on our heart? Clue: Hebrews 8:10
Does the New Testament do away with Sabbath or magnify and bring honor to it? Clue: Mark 3:4
Romans 2:13 For the ones that God will justify are not those who have heard the Law but those who have kept the Law.
Let me use your own argument here. Why don't you then stone homosexuals, according to the law?
Grace...
So God means all of the OT Law? Or just the OT Law that k4c chooses?
.Grace is the reason why the new covenant exists and makes the old obsolete.
.If there's no Law there's no sin if there's no sin there's no need for grace.
The law was added 430 years after Abraham. Centuries before the law was added, Eve sinned. Sin exists even in the absence of a codified system of law. It exists because the Holy Spirit convicts men of sin and righteousness and judgment. All wrong doing is sin.
BFA
This is an important question. There's a lot of picking and choosing, here. And we're really not getting any clear answers about what it means to keep the law.
BFA
BFA,The law was added 430 years after Abraham. Centuries before the law was added, Eve sinned. Sin exists even in the absence of a codified system of law. It exists because the Holy Spirit convicts men of sin and righteousness and judgment. All wrong doing is sin.
BFA
Originally Posted by Kira Light; I think we've got him on this one. Unless he can show us exactly where the laws he doesn't like were tossed out, he loses this whole argument big time. I'm sure he has some verses that he believes can do this, but they will be highly subjective and open to interpretation. Round and round we go!
Originally Posted by BlackSabb; Isn't it funny? K4c always responded to my posts and now he's ignoring my latest ones. Because he can't answer my question and can only give me a flippant response of "grace".
How many times did he quote the scriptures where Jesus said that he did not come to abolish the law but fulfill it? How many times did he state the words of Jesus saying that those that follow him are those that keep the commandments? How many times did he quote the scripture in Revelations that those who belong to God are those that keep the commandments? How many times did he say that the NT does not say for the Sabbath to cease?
And yet, all these same arguments apply to stoning homosexuals. But we don't do it now because of this mysterious "grace" but this same grace does not apply to desisting from keeping the sabbath.
Talk about double standards. Talk about having your cake and eating it too. Every argument you use to maintain the OT sabbath can be used to maintain the practice of stoning homosexuals.
You're backed into a corner friend. Give it up.
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