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What Must I Do to be Saved?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by edpobre, Aug 1, 2001.

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  1. edpobre

    edpobre Well-Known Member

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    ZoneChaos,



    What visible organization do you have in mind Zone, the RCC? The JWs? The SDAs? The Mormons? The Campbellite Church of Christ? There is only one true church of Christ in these last days Zone.

    That's the Church of Christ where I am a member of. Everyone is invited to become a member and become a child of God regardless of race, nationality, color or gender.



    The Trinity made it to the scene in 381 AD only. The Bible does not teach that three persons compose the only one God.



    Yes, the Trinity also states that there is only one God but it adds Jesus and the Holy Spirit to what the Bible says. Note what the Bible says: "one God, the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ."



    During the time of Paul, the word church referred only to Christians. And Paul was not referring to physical locations of Christians. He was referring to individual members, much like us saying Baptists (plural) referring to the members of a certain local Baptist Church,Lutherns, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovahs, Mormons, etc.



    This only shows how ignorant of the word of God you are. The Bible says that without shedding of blood, there can be no remission of sins (Heb. 9:22). Apostle Peter exhorted people to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins (Acts 2:3:cool: . How then can sins be forgiven by confessing them?

    Therefore as I said, 1 John 1:9 refers to sins committed while INSIDE the Church of Christ because if anyone sins while INSIDE the Church of Christ, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous (1 John 2:1).

    Ed
     
  2. edpobre

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    Savinggrc,

    Read 1 John 2:1 savinggrc. "My little children, these things I write to you that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

    Ed
     
  3. edpobre

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    E beth,

    There are two kinds of sins (not venial and mortal sins) that are forgiven in two different ways.

    One kind of sins are those committed BEFORE one is reconciled to God. This kind of sin can be forgiven only through the redemptive power of the blood of Christ.

    The Bible teaches that it is the Church of Christ that Christ purchased with his own blood (Acts 20:28 Lamsa). The Bibke also teaches that Christ GAVE his life for the church (Eph. 5:25). Therefore, to be covered by the redemptive power of the blood of Christ, one MUST become a member of the Church of Christ in order to be redeemed by the blood of Christ and for sins to be forgiven and be reconciled to God.

    The other kind of sins are those committed while INSIDE the Church of Christ. While members of The Church of Christ are expected not to commit sins anymore, members are still in this world, and like walking through a muddy field, one cannot avoid getting some of the mud. Apostle John says in 1 John 2:1 that if anyone sins, members have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

    Ed
     
  4. edpobre

    edpobre Well-Known Member

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    E beth,

    I'm glad you feel this way. Then, I gather you don't have any problem with my post. Do you?

    Ed
     
  5. LouisBooth

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    "Skepticism isn't always pessimistic. "

    Hmm....AA I would have to disagree. Skeptisicm is always asking for proof and I have already shown you that some things are either 1. not proveable or 2. not provable now. Skepticism then dictates that these are false even if they are not. That's pessimistic.
     
  6. edpobre

    edpobre Well-Known Member

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    Friends,

    What must I do to be saved?

    Do you believe that only children of God are heirs and joint-heirs with Christ to the promises of God to Abraham? God's promise to Abraham and his seed is the holy city, the new Jerusalem. That means salvation and eternal life.

    Apostle Paul wrote in Romans 8:16-17 that God's children are heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ. In Gal. 3:29, apostle Paul identified the children of God as belonging to Christ (Christ's) and Abraham's seed and heirs according to the prommise. In Gal. 4:7, apostle Paul emphasized that a son is an heir of God through Christ.

    But how can a one become a son of God in order to become heir to God's promise of salvation? Jesus says, one must be born again. But how is one born again?

    First, one must acquire the right to become a child of God. This can only be done by receiving Jesus (John 1:12).

    Second, one must be redeemed by the blood of Jesus in order to receive adoption as child of God (Gal. 4:4-5).

    Ed
     
  7. Gunny

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    Ed, Iglesia ni Cristo states that Salvation is had by being a member of Iglesia ni Cristo, adhering to all their doctrinal beliefs and the finished work of Jesus Christ. This amounts to Jesus, plus being a member of Iglesia ni Cristo, founded by Felix Manalo, equating into Salvation.
     
  8. edpobre

    edpobre Well-Known Member

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    gunnysgt,

    The Bible teaches that Christ is the SAVIOR of the CHURCH, his BODY (Eph. 5:23). Now tell me gunnysgt, if you are NOT a member of  this CHURCH, will you be saved?

    Which is this CHURCH, gunnysgt? I say, this CHURCH in these last days is the IGLESIA NI CRISTO. If you have another CHURCH in mind, say it.

    Otherwise, BEDCOME a member of the IGLESIA NI CRISTO if you want to be SAVED by Christ.

    Ed
     
  9. D-Lyte

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    Hi, Sounds like you are quite sure that man cannot be saved through confession alone.  Then could you tell me what John 3:16 means (the common one used for preaching) and Roman 10:9 where it says "if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved?"  Please don't take this as a challenge, I'm just interested in what you've learned from those verses.  Thanks :)

    So according to you...who belong to the "true" church?  Who decides who gets in?  Are you specificly pointing certain church as "True?"

     
     
  10. edpobre

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    May I refer you to the thread "Who will not be saved?" in this forum.

    Jesus says that no one can come to him unless the Father draws him (John 6:44). God calls people into ONE body (Col. 3:15) by the gospel (2 Thes. 2:14).

    Jesus says he who BELIEVES (the gospel - Mark 16:15) and is BAPTIZED will be saved (Mark 16:16).

    The TRUE church in these last days is the Iglesia Ni Cristo. One ENTERS the fold or church (John 10:9) by LISTENING to the gospel preached by ministers of the Iglesia Ni Cristo, BELIEVING the gospel and getting BAPTIZED into the Iglesia Ni Cristo.

    Ed
     
  11. Gunny

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  12. edpobre

    edpobre Well-Known Member

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    "My dear friends,

    do not believe all who claim to have the spirit, but test them to find out if the spirit they have comes from God. For many false prophets have gone out everywhere.

    This is how you will be able to know whether it is God's Spirit: anyone who acknowledges that Jesus Christ CAME as a HUMAN BEING has the Spirit who comes from God. But anyone who DENIES this about Jesus does NOT have the Spirit of God. The spirit that he has is the ENEMY of Christ; you heard that it would come, and now it is here in the world already" (1 John 4:1-3 Today's English Version).

    Trinitarians DENY that Jesus Christ CAME as a  HUMAN being. They TEACH that Jesus Christ CAME as God who BECAME a MAN.

    Do Trinitarians have the Spirit of God? The Bible says NO! Those who PERSECUTE the Iglesia Ni Cristo are TRINITARIANS. Should you believe them? The Bible says NO!

    Ed



     

     
     
  13. Gunny

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    Alpha and Omega


    The Trinity: The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit


    Is the Creedal Doctrine of Trinity Biblical


    A brief declaration and vindication of the Trinity


    The following links provide information regarding Iglesia ni Cristo, it's founder, their doctrine, who they state Jesus is?, what Salvation is according to their man-made doctrinal beliefs, the control they adminster to it's members, their deceptive practices, and the claims of the founder, Felix Manalo and his belief that he is spoken of in scripture as a messenger of God/The 5th angel.

    There is a considerable amount of data that has been gathered on Iglesia ni Cristo, much of it from their own publications and former members.

    I believe it is well worth the time reading over the information regarding Iglesia ni Cristo, indeed.


    Examine Iglesia ni Cristi

    http://members.tripod.com/insiders_inc/

    http://www.gospelcom.net/apologeticsindex/i00.html

    http://www.letusreason.org/igleidir.htm

    http://members.tripod.com/~janchung/table_of_contents.html

    http://members.tripod.com/~janchung/false_messenger.html

    http://members.tripod.com/xcrusaders/angeleast.html

    http://www.adeptsys.com/chrysalis/Pages/info/iglesia.html

    http://www.nossumus.net/iglesyanikristo/lesson11.html

    http://www.examineiglesianicristo.com/honesty4.html

    http://thebereans.net/qa-realname.shtml
     
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