what messianic prophecies where not fulfilled by jesus?

[dfw69]

I certainly believe that He would take the view that murder is certainly worse than theft.

should God take the life of a murderer ?....as judgement?....for the murderer took the life of another?.....what if that one life that was taken was inoccent?....should not God avenge the innocent?...if indeed God is just, righteous...and fair?

 

[LoAmmi]

should God take the life of a murderer ?....as judgement?....for the murderer took the life of another?.....what if that one life that was taken was inoccent?....should not God avenge the innocent?...if indeed God is just, righteous...and fair?

Where did I say that the penalty for murder should be the death of the murderer? The punishment fits the crime, not the same thing happens to the person. I oppose the death penalty.

However, the time and place that we all die is the domain of HaShem.

 

[dfw69]

Where did I say that the penalty for murder should be the death of the murderer? The punishment fits the crime, not the same thing happens to the person. I oppose the death penalty.

However, the time and place that we all die is the domain of HaShem.

but an eye for an eye .....means what?.....lashes for taking a mans eye?

 

[LoAmmi]

but an eye for an eye .....means what?.....lashes for taking a mans eye?

The punishment fits the crime. A murderer should get life in prison, in my opinion. The reason the death penalty was needed before was because we could not ensure that violent criminals would be removed as a danger to society.

 

[dfw69]

The punishment fits the crime. A murderer should get life in prison, in my opinion. The reason the death penalty was needed before was because we could not ensure that violent criminals would be removed as a danger to society.

is this in the tanakh?....or was it a literal eye for eye at one time but has evolved.....are there some who hold to the old ways?

 

[LoAmmi]

is this in the tanakh?....or was it a literal eye for eye at one time but has evolved.....are there some who hold to the old ways?

I do not believe it was ever practiced as literal. It was always understood that the judges and such gave us the "how-to" do these things. It was necessary because the Torah is not clear on some things.

 

[dfw69]

I do not believe it was ever practiced as literal. It was always understood that the judges and such gave us the "how-to" do these things. It was necessary because the Torah is not clear on some things.

ok so let me get this straight....you are against the death penalty....against a literal eye for eye....what if rabbis or judges or sanhedrin or even the messiah ....told you otherwise....will you obey?

 

[LoAmmi]

ok so let me get this straight....you are against the death penalty....against a literal eye for eye....what if rabbis or judges or sanhedrin or even the messiah ....told you otherwise....will you obey?

But they do not say that. If Jesus came back and said that, would you obey?

 

[dfw69]

But they do not say that. If Jesus came back and said that, would you obey?

you did not answer my question....a simple yes or no will do...lol

 

[LoAmmi]

you did not answer my question....a simple yes or no will do...lol

No, I would not obey. The death penalty is not necessary in this day and age.

 

[dfw69]

No, I would not obey. The death penalty is not necessary in this day and age.

good....well gn for now....peace loammi

 

[LoAmmi]

good....well gn for now....peace loammi

However, remember that our rabbis said that if a court kills one man in, I think, 100 years it is a bloody court.

 

[dfw69]

However, remember that our rabbis said that if a court kills one man in, I think, 100 years it is a bloody court.

i heard that before...This next messiah though....its supose to be bad....will see

 

[LoAmmi]

i heard that before...This next messiah though....its supose to be bad....will see

No it is not.

 

[dfw69]

See... i believe that god should avenge the righteous....wicked sinners who have hurt mankind sould be punish accordingly..i believe he is just to place in the lake of fire....he knows all the untold wickedness man has suffered and endure from wicked men....no i dont believe in death penalty either...cause they may be innocent..though witnesses come forward...and all the evidence is stack against them...

hell was created for satan and fallen angels....he was a liar from the beggining...he steals kills and destroys.....anyone worthy will join him .....for secretly they do these things....

 

[LoAmmi]

I do not believe in Satan or the Lake of Fire. Eternal punishment for finite crimes is not justice; it is unconscionable.

 

[dfw69]

I do not believe in Satan or the Lake of Fire. Eternal punishment for finite crimes is not justice; it is unconscionable.

i watch an episode of torture devices used in the old days....the spanish inqiusition....roman torture....torture that has gone back man years........where are those men who died justice?.....will not god avenge....men were tortured and cut off forever from the land of the living......had not god someday resserect they would be gone forever......if they tortured....and cut off.....should not god do the same to them?....even to those who judge the condemn to be tortured....should recieve the works of their hands

 

[LoAmmi]

i watch an episode of torture devices used in the old days....the spanish inqiusition....roman torture....torture that has gone back man years........where are those men who died justice?.....will not god avenge....men were tortured and cut off forever from the land of the living......had not god someday resserect they would be gone forever......if they tortured....and cut off.....should not god do the same to them?....even to those who judge the condemn to be tortured....should recieve the works of their hands

No. Nobody should be tortured forever. Not even Hitler.

 

[dfw69]

No. Nobody should be tortured forever. Not even Hitler.

why do you say that?

 

[Eyes wide Open]

See... i believe that god should avenge the righteous....wicked sinners who have hurt mankind sould be punish accordingly..i believe he is just to place in the lake of fire....he knows all the untold wickedness man has suffered and endure from wicked men....no i dont believe in death penalty either...cause they may be innocent..though witnesses come forward...and all the evidence is stack against them...

hell was created for satan and fallen angels....he was a liar from the beggining...he steals kills and destroys.....anyone worthy will join him .....for secretly they do these things....

Satan (or the devil) is an aspect of the self created by the self through our free will. God created us with fee will as creative beings and we create through our choice and actions. We are born to sin, that means the collective standard that prevails, not that we were born sinful. Try and imagine the most heavenly place on earth as a collective standard and then imagine a child born to that standard, how would they grow within this enviroment? with the right teaching mentoring and support? Hell is what we create here on earth (in contrast to that heavenly outcome) as fallen angels, by lieing, stealing, killing and destroying and you profess to believe that God should do the same thing. Holding on to that outlook or belief by yourSELF is created by your will and choice through your thoughts and outlook.

So hell wasn't created for satan (an aspect of the self) it is created by satan (an aspect of the self) and when the collective self's stop creating it, it will no longer exsist, and what will be in it's place.....