What Makes Creationism a Valid Scientific Alternative?

[AV1611VET]

Please tell me how creationism will help me study it.

You need help in studying that, do you?

Expecting creation to help you study that is like expecting evolution to help you study algebra.

 

[Jro]

You need help in studying that, do you?

Expecting creation to help you study that is like expecting evolution to help you study algebra.

The thread is asking how creationism is a valid scientific alternative. Evolution assists me in studying fish. If creationism is a good alternative, it too should help me study fish. If not, well, I will leave it with all the other theories that do not assist me in my pursuit of fishiness.

 

[AV1611VET]

So says you. How do you know?

How do you know the one god is not Krishna?

Through faith.

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

 

[AV1611VET]

If not, well, I will leave it with all the other theories that do not assist me in my pursuit of fishiness.

Like astronomy, thermodynamics and quantum electrodynamics?

 

[Jro]

Like astronomy, thermodynamics and quantum electrodynamics?

Are those alternatives to evolution?

 

[46AND2]

Through faith.

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

But faith is a demonstrably bad way to accept an idea. Even you agree with this. There are many more people who believe in non-Christian gods, yet you feel their faith is misplaced.

Have you never had faith in a friend who subsequently let you down?

Why would you want to rely on a mechanism that can so easily fool you?

 

[AV1611VET]

Have you never had faith in a friend who subsequently let you down?

The Object of my faith is what counts ... in this case, Jesus Christ.

He is a Friend that sticks closer to me than a brother, and He has promised never to leave me, nor forsake me.

As Peter so aptly put it ...

John 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

 

[46AND2]

The Object of my faith is what counts ... in this case, Jesus Christ.

He is a Friend that sticks closer to me than a brother, and He has promised never to leave me, nor forsake me.

As Peter so aptly put it ...

John 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

Ok, let's look at it this way:

Before you had faith, what was there to convince you that Jesus was real? And how do you know that "whatever it was" was superior to what other religions have to convince them of their faith?

 

[AV1611VET]

Ok, let's look at it this way:

Before you had faith, what was there to convince you that Jesus was real?

The word of God ... preached.

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Before I was saved, I used to think that Jesus was just another man; today, I know He is the Son of God, and God the Son.

 

[46AND2]

The word of God ... preached.

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Before I was saved, I used to think that Jesus was just another man; today, I know He is the Son of God, and God the Son.

You didn't answer the other part of my question.

I'm sure there are plenty of other religions whose followers feel the same kind of loyalty to their deity.

What makes yours superior?

How do you know you are not mistaken, and they are?

 

[AV1611VET]

You didn't answer the other part of my question.

I'm sure there are plenty of other religions whose followers feel the same kind of loyalty to their deity.

What makes yours superior?

How do you know you are not mistaken, and they are?

I have to attribute that to the Holy Spirit.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
John 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

 

[46AND2]

I have to attribute that to the Holy Spirit.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
John 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Well that doesn't really answer anything, cause all it does is shift the query to the Holy Spirit instead of God or Jesus. But you're clearly just going to give circular answers, so I'll leave it at that.

 

[mathetes123]

Who says there has to be an end game?

I enjoy discussing it. It leads me on tangents of research that I otherwise would not have thought to look into.

Why waste your time arguing against something that you believe does not exist. Would you waste this time arguing against the existence of sAnta clause. Who are you trying to convince, yourself or believers?

 

[Jamin4422]

all it does is shift the query to the Holy Spirit instead of God or Jesus.

That is because this is the Holy Spirit dispensation. Under the Old Covenant the only Spirit filled people were the artists and craftsman that were building the temple. Otherwise the Holy Spirit was said to be upon people. Today we can all be filled. Also we are told that the Holy Spirit is our teacher to guide us and to lean us into all truth.

So if you want to know the truth then the Holy Spirit has been given to show you the way to enter in to the knowledge and understanding of God.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well that doesn't really answer anything, cause all it does is shift the query to the Holy Spirit instead of God or Jesus. But you're clearly just going to give circular answers, so I'll leave it at that.

That's solid aurum, 46.

You keep asking questions until you get an answer you don't like, then you terminate the conversation with ridicule.

And you guys wonder why I call you Internet scientists?

 

[AV1611VET]

That is because this is the Holy Spirit dispensation. Under the Old Covenant the only Spirit filled people were the artists and craftsman that were building the temple. Otherwise the Holy Spirit was said to be upon people. Today we can all be filled. Also we are told that the Holy Spirit is our teacher to guide us and to lean us into all truth.

So if you want to know the truth then the Holy Spirit has been given to show you the way to enter in to the knowledge and understanding of God.

... Indeed!

The revelation of the Holy Spirit is progressive.

In the Old Testament, the Holy Spirit came upon a person, to enable that person to perform a specif task, then He would leave; such as when Bezaleel was conscripted to help build the Tabernacle.

Exodus 31:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Exodus 31:2 See, I have called by name Bezaleel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah:
Exodus 31:3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,

Later, in the New Testament, the Holy Spirit came upon a person by the laying on of hands.

Today, we get the Holy Spirit immediately upon salvation.

The 25ȼ term for that is ontological subordination.

 

[Dieselman]

That's all fine and dandy, but if you assert (correctly) that the supernatural cannot be proven to you, how can you possibly determine the right god from the wrong one?

I said can't be proven to YOU! God does not reveal Himself to those who have no faith. God reveals Himself to His own, who have first accepted the gift of salvation. Proving Himself to the unsaved removes the element of faith, and thus damns him forever.

 

[SkyWriting]

I said can't be proven to YOU! God does not reveal Himself to those who have no faith. God reveals Himself to His own, who have first accepted the gift of salvation. Proving Himself to the unsaved removes the element of faith, and thus damns him forever.

God has "proven" himself more than one normally requires of anyone when you are talking with them.

 

[SkyWriting]

You didn't answer the other part of my question. I'm sure there are plenty of other religions whose followers feel the same kind of loyalty to their deity. What makes yours superior?How do you know you are not mistaken, and they are?

God forgives all mistakes. No religions or writings are even necessary.

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

 

[SkyWriting]

Ok, let's look at it this way:

Before you had faith, what was there to convince you that Jesus was real? And how do you know that "whatever it was" was superior to what other religions have to convince them of their faith?

I've never seen the Holy Spirit in a persons life other than Christian.
I've known many "Christians" without Spirit fill lives, but I've never
seen non-Christians filled with the Spirit.