What makes a moral person?

[DarkProphet]

If everyone is a sinner then what makes a moral person?

 

[HypnoToad]

Well, just like a Christian can make mistakes and sin, and that doesn't suddenly make him a non-Christian. Neither does that same sin make us "immoral" people. We are moral by following God's/Christ's instructions on how to live; occassional screw-ups aside.

 

[ebia]

If everyone is a sinner then what makes a moral person?

I don't understand the question.

 

[DarkProphet]

I don't understand the question.

I often hear Christians say that someone or another is an upright moral person or, more often, that someone or another is an immoral person. If everyone is a sinner then by what measure do Christians make these judgments?

 

[calidog]

If everyone is a sinner then what makes a moral person?

Not what but Who:

Ecc 3:11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. He also has planted eternity in men's hearts and minds [a divinely implanted sense of a purpose working through the ages which nothing under the sun but God alone can satisfy], yet so that men cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end.
Ecc 3:12 I know that there is nothing better for them than to be glad and to get and do good as long as they live;

 

[ebia]

I often hear Christians say that someone or another is an upright moral person or, more often, that someone or another is an immoral person. If everyone is a sinner then by what measure do Christians make these judgments?

As you say, the two statements are not consistant.

However, while we all fall a long way short of the glory of God, it's quite clear that some people's behaviour is relatively more immoral than others (and, indeed, the bible uses that sort of language - describing some people as particularly upright and others as particularly immoral). You can't really describe the whole picture without both those statements.

Whether Christians generally make good judgements about when and who to describe as moral (or immoral) is another question.

 

[ManOfTheAmish]

Self introspection,deattachment from society and hospitality towards others.

In short compassion.

 

[DarkProphet]

Self introspection,deattachment from society and hospitality towards others.

In short compassion.

You link detachment from society to compassion?

 

[childofGod31]

Every society has a moral code of good and bad, of right and wrong. We probably would go by that code, to an extent. (Since the standard is going down hill so fast, I don't know if we would be able to call anybody moral pretty soon.)

I guess if you don't hurt anybody (by killing, cheating, beating, abusing...) then you are moral.

I don't know if you noticed how the moral standards went downhill from the 50s. And they are going lower and lower.

 

[DarkProphet]

Every society has a moral code of good and bad, of right and wrong. We probably would go by that code, to an extent. (Since the standard is going down hill so fast, I don't know if we would be able to call anybody moral pretty soon.)

Actually I'm more concerned with your moral code then with societies moral code.

I guess if you don't hurt anybody (by killing, cheating, beating, abusing...) then you are moral.

I suppose I would agree for the most part.

I don't know if you noticed how the moral standards went downhill from the 50s. And they are going lower and lower.

Are they? In the 50s racial intolerance was law and people were jailed for voicing the wrong opinion. I certainty wouldn't want to go back to that but then you would probably know nothing about what it is to be discriminated against.

 

[childofGod31]

Why would you be concerned with my moral code? If my code is: not to do anything to hurt anybody else.

If I warn people of their sin (you would call that judging) means I care about what happens to them, I don't want them to go to hell. They are making God angry with their behavior.

Letting people do anything they want is not exactly good (just look at spoiled brats -children -whose parents let them do whatever...) You will see, (because I believe it's headed that way), when society removes most of the rules that used to be in place, it will not be very safe. There will be more tradegy, more killings, more babies suffering, having to live with immature parents-kids. More decease - since sleeping with everybody is ok now, more people suffering because cheating and lying is ok. More prostitutes, more rape, more evil things. Letting go of rules doesn't bring order, but disorder and danger. People will become more and more depraved.

people for their sin (like for their one nighters, or