what Law did Jesus replace?

[stelow]

because it is false doctrine out here that teachs God commandments where done away with or the death of Jesus replaced the commnadments.

I will tell the truth to correct the lie that denominations teach.

do you think its wrong to be on two or more forums?

what law did Jesus replace stelow can you answer the question instead of leading people away from this forum?

what Law did Jesus replace Stelow?

answer it here before you run off to another forum.

stelow

what did I post that requires such a rude response.

I have no doctrine stelow.

I have not made you feel like anything quit putting your problems and accusation on me.

lets discuss the word and keep the emotions out of it.

answer the question is all that I have asked?

yet you and others want to put you personal life into the discussion.

Stelow

what law did Jesus replace? is all I ask

now if you want to discuss personal matter start another thread and I will participate.

This is the only Christian forum that I am a member of, I only had to do a Google search of your question, which got the hits where you have started this same debate on other forums, with the exact same question.

You say you have no doctrine, but at the same time you say you're correcting the false doctrine that the church's denominations are teaching, according to your own words.

Why continue to ask the same question over and over here on CF, and on other forums if you already know the answer. Of course you already know others are not always going to agree with you, especially since according to your own analogy; a New Covenant grace that supersedes the Old Covenant Laws is what the church's denominations are teaching. Your claim is, that you're here to enlighten us to this lie of the denominations, which is teaching a false doctrine. IMHO it just doesn't add up.

 

[nChrist]

This is the only Christian forum that I am a member of, I only had to do a Google search of your question, which got the hits where you have started this same debate on other forums, with the exact same question.

You say you have no doctrine, but at the same time you say you're correcting the false doctrine that the church's denominations are teaching, according to your own words.

Why continue to ask the same question over and over here on CF, and on other forums if you already know the answer. Of course you already know others are not always going to agree with you, especially since according to your own analogy; a New Covenant grace that supersedes the Old Covenant Laws is what the church's denominations are teaching. Your claim is, that you're here to enlighten us to this lie of the denominations, which is teaching a false doctrine. IMHO it just doesn't add up.

Hello Stelow and All,

Ozell is on my ignore list since his agenda appears to be a false gospel, hate, and division. I have no idea which church or cult he is pushing, but it isn't the Body of Christ. This is a time to share the Gospel of the Grace of God - not subvert and distort it. The time is short and the stakes couldn't be higher - Salvation.


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[ozell]

This is the only Christian forum that I am a member of, I only had to do a Google search of your question, which got the hits where you have started this same debate on other forums, with the exact same question.

You say you have no doctrine, but at the same time you say you're correcting the false doctrine that the church's denominations are teaching, according to your own words.

Why continue to ask the same question over and over here on CF, and on other forums if you already know the answer. Of course you already know others are not always going to agree with you, especially since according to your own analogy; a New Covenant grace that supersedes the Old Covenant Laws is what the church's denominations are teaching. Your claim is, that you're here to enlighten us to this lie of the denominations, which is teaching a false doctrine. IMHO it just doesn't add up.

what is wrong with being on different forums Stelow?

I have gotten more responses here than the other two forums I'm on.

why is that? is it because it interest people here, more knowledge here?

I do this to see where the knowledge is. where is the mindset.

why not answer the question and participate?

my aganda is to learn, teach, correct and discuss the word of God.

do you have a problem with that?

what law did Jesus replace?

I would like your participation.

am I asking to much?

 

[ozell]

Hello Stelow and All,

Ozell is on my ignore list since his agenda appears to be a false gospel, hate, and division. I have no idea which church or cult he is pushing, but it isn't the Body of Christ. This is a time to share the Gospel of the Grace of God - not subvert and distort it. The time is short and the stakes couldn't be higher - Salvation.

357

I'm on your ignore list because I don't agree with you.
I'm on your ignore list because you don't understand.

I ask simple question and back it up with God's words

the problem is {you} don't understand because of the doctrine your denomination instilled in your head or your parents head which was passed down to you.

I asked a simple question which you gave your understanding which is wrong.

what law did Jesus replace?

the law of animal sacrifice.

now was that hard 357 magnum?

why choose 357 magnum for a christian site, yet I have a agenda!!!

why close your mind to someone who disagree with your OPINION?

this goes against the word of God.

God gave solomon a largeness of heart

1Kgs 4:29 And God gave Solomon wisdom and understanding exceeding much, and largeness of heart, even as the sand that is on the sea shore.

do you know what this is?

 

[ozell]

We're all talking about the false gospel with a little "g" that ozell is pushing.

You don't buy ozell's gospel.

Stelow doesn't buy ozell's gospel.

I don't buy ozell's gospel.

Below is the Gospel that we believe in:

Romans 3:10-31 10 as it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one; 11 There is none that understandeth, There is none that seeketh after God; 12 They have all turned aside, they are together become unprofitable; There is none that doeth good, no, not, so much as one: 13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; With their tongues they have used deceit: The poison of asps is under their lips: 14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15 Their feet are swift to shed blood; 16 Destruction and misery are in their ways; 17 And the way of peace have they not known: 18 There is no fear of God before their eyes. 19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it speaketh to them that are under the law; that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may be brought under the judgment of God: 20 because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified in his sight; for through the law cometh the knowledge of sin. 21 But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction; 23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus. 27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith. 28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid: nay, we establish the law.

Ephesians 2:1-10 1 And you did he make alive, when ye were dead through your trespasses and sins, 2 wherein ye once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the powers of the air, of the spirit that now worketh in the sons of disobedience; 3 among whom we also all once lived in the lust of our flesh, doing the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest: - 4 but God, being rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved), 6 and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus: 7 that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus: 8 for by grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not of works, that no man should glory. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God afore prepared that we should walk in them.

Ephesians 3:8-21 8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, was this grace given, to preach unto the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; 9 and to make all men see what is the dispensation of the mystery which for ages hath been hid in God who created all things; 10 to the intent that now unto the principalities and the powers in the heavenly places might be made known through the church the manifold wisdom of God, 11 according to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: 12 in whom we have boldness and access in confidence through our faith in him. 13 Wherefore I ask that ye may not faint at my tribulations for you, which are your glory. 14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father, 15 from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named, 16 that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, that ye may be strengthened with power through his Spirit in the inward man; 17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; to the end that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 may be strong to apprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, 19 and to know the love of Christ which passeth knowledge, that ye may be filled unto all the fulness of God. 20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, 21 unto him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus unto all generations for ever and ever. Amen.

357

seeing that there was NO NT writing during Jesus and the Apostles time on earth.

what gospel were they reading from?

please answer.

 

[ozell]

We're all talking about the false gospel with a little "g" that ozell is pushing.

You don't buy ozell's gospel.

Stelow doesn't buy ozell's gospel.

I don't buy ozell's gospel.

Below is the Gospel that we believe in:

Romans 3:10-31 10 as it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one; 11 There is none that understandeth, There is none that seeketh after God; 12 They have all turned aside, they are together become unprofitable; There is none that doeth good, no, not, so much as one: 13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; With their tongues they have used deceit: The poison of asps is under their lips: 14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15 Their feet are swift to shed blood; 16 Destruction and misery are in their ways; 17 And the way of peace have they not known: 18 There is no fear of God before their eyes. 19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it speaketh to them that are under the law; that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may be brought under the judgment of God: 20 because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified in his sight; for through the law cometh the knowledge of sin. 21 But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction; 23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus. 27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith. 28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid: nay, we establish the law.

Ephesians 2:1-10 1 And you did he make alive, when ye were dead through your trespasses and sins, 2 wherein ye once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the powers of the air, of the spirit that now worketh in the sons of disobedience; 3 among whom we also all once lived in the lust of our flesh, doing the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest: - 4 but God, being rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved), 6 and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus: 7 that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus: 8 for by grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not of works, that no man should glory. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God afore prepared that we should walk in them.

Ephesians 3:8-21 8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, was this grace given, to preach unto the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; 9 and to make all men see what is the dispensation of the mystery which for ages hath been hid in God who created all things; 10 to the intent that now unto the principalities and the powers in the heavenly places might be made known through the church the manifold wisdom of God, 11 according to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: 12 in whom we have boldness and access in confidence through our faith in him. 13 Wherefore I ask that ye may not faint at my tribulations for you, which are your glory. 14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father, 15 from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named, 16 that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, that ye may be strengthened with power through his Spirit in the inward man; 17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; to the end that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 may be strong to apprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, 19 and to know the love of Christ which passeth knowledge, that ye may be filled unto all the fulness of God. 20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, 21 unto him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus unto all generations for ever and ever. Amen.

if you believe Paul then you believe this


Acts 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.


Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Acts 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

Before you get to Roman and Ephesian read Genesis to Malachi as Paul did!

 

[SoundCard]

if you believe Paul then you believe this


Acts 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.


Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Acts 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

Before you get to Roman and Ephesian read Genesis to Malachi as Paul did!

Ozell, I'm going to say this once and then I'm done with this debate because you don't listen very well.

All ANYONE has to do to be saved is believe in Jesus Christ as their savior. THAT's ALL IT TAKES. Do not undermine the work of our Lord Jesus Christ, because He is more than able to meet our needs, stop denying His power by relying so much on the Old Testament's laws, it's the same thing Jews in the 1st Century did! And they crucified Him! You can't be justified by law, nor can you be saved nor sanctified, only by faith in Him are you saved, justified and by His Spirit, sanctified, THERE IS NO OTHER WAY.

 

[Light hearted]

if you believe Paul then you believe this


Acts 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.


Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Acts 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

Before you get to Roman and Ephesian read Genesis to Malachi as Paul did!

Your question concerning the "law" is very missleading to many.

Law can mean one particular law amongst many laws, or it could mean "Law" as in the meaning of the combined laws written by Moses. Your fault for not being clear.

When you print these versus above what is your point?

Once again you are not being clear. Your fault.

What are you trying to achieve here by mixing Law and Grace?

Once again we have no clue what your goal is here. Your fault.

Does following the "Law" gain salvation or does Grace through faith?

Your not clear here. Your fault.

Would you rather go back to animal sacrifice?

Your not clear here. Your fault.

Does Moses and other prophets foretell the future and the coming of Jesus?

You never mention this. Your fault.

You use scripure to strengthen your beliefs but your examples are never complete. You pick sentences, yet the whole paragraph tells another story around the sentence. Your fault.

It's time to come clean and get to the point. There are some who come to this forum to learn about "truth". I am sure you will say something like"I am trying to get the truth across". Yet so far after all your posts you have gained no momentum. Your return comments have been condemming and not out of love as Jesus would have answered.

It's time to enlighten us with truth other than confusing any newcomers of whom are young Christians just trying to get a foothold of what Jesus has done for them.

Instead of asking questions, start answering your own questions, that would be a good place to start. Your fix.

 

[NatalieJan777]

There is CONTINUAL forgiveness in the New Covenant, are you honestly telling me you have not sinned since becoming a Christian? We ALL sin. It is INEVITABLE because our sin nature is STILL inside us even as we are a new creation. It's why we can continually SEEK forgiveness, though again, I'm not saying it's license to sin here. You need to stop making that assumption here and now, I know Jesus Christ didn't die for me so I could go out and 'sin it up' as it were, I know very well a heavy price was paid for that forgiveness, but in the event someone does stumble and fall and sin, there is still forgiveness, there is still repentance.

Salvation is irrevocable, those who have turned to Christ are with Him eternally, He will not lose one of His sheep. That work is completed the moment we believe in the Son as ONLY by faith can we accept Him. There is no work, no doing of our hands, or hearts, that can save us, because we are sinners, so our only saving grace is the grace by which He offered us salvation in the first place.

If someone yields to temptation and sins deliberately, God isn't going to disown them if they repent of their wrongdoing. If someone starts sinning again and DOESN'T repent, then their relationship with God whithers and they get cut off from the blessings and benefits that obedience brings, but God's salvation will still stand.

1 Corinthians 3:10-15 NIV
10By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should be careful how he builds. 11For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. 14If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. 15If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.


And salvation is offered to everyone, and though Christ died for the sins of the whole world, there are those who reject Him. Those who reject Him will not be saved, because they have treated God's gift as something contemptible, and His wrath remains on them.

Sorry, I have been away and unable to reply. Christians today take a few scriptures from the appostle Paul and apply them to thier own lives. I often wonder who it is they are really following?

2 Peter 3

Dear Friends, this is now my second letter to you. I have written both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking. I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your appostles.

First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say "Where is this comming he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since he beggining of Creation." But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgement and destruction of ungodly men.

But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. But this day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.

Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, a the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.

So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. Bear in mind that our Lords patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other scriptures, to their own destruction.

Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen

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The Holy Spirit will move you to follow all of the Commandments and the Law, it is that simple. Are todays Christians afraid to look at the law and commandments? I don't understand, why not apply the whole WORD of GOD to your lives? If we were honest we would first find out what is required. Is one doing the will of GOD by stealing? NO! it is this simple.

You want to KNOW CHRIST? Take the challange HE himself has laid before each believer in HIM. If HE has graced you with the ability to see with your eyes and with your heart, you will follow HIM.

John 7:16-17 Jesus answered. "My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me. If anyone wishes to do God's will, he will find out whether my teachings comes from GOD or whether I speak on my own."

Jesus wants and encourages those who follow HIM to read and know OT scripture, because HE is the author of it all.

 

[NatalieJan777]

stop denying His power by relying so much on the Old Testament's laws, it's the same thing Jews in the 1st Century did! And they crucified Him!

This is false. If you knew OT you would not be saying this. They crucified Christ Jesus because they changed the laws and loved the things of man more than obeying GOD which is faithfulness. It was their blindness to the old testament laws that caused them to kill all of the prophets and Christ Jesus Himself.

Jesus himself says the following:

Matthew 23:23 ".....But you have neglected the more importantant things of the law - justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. "

Matthew 23:35 "And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on this earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Bezekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the alter. I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation."

Those who hate GOD are the ones who murder the righteous. And who are the righteous? Are they the ones who do evil in the site of GOD and then claim they have no control over it? NO!

 

[ozell]

Ozell, I'm going to say this once and then I'm done with this debate because you don't listen very well.

All ANYONE has to do to be saved is believe in Jesus Christ as their savior. THAT's ALL IT TAKES. Do not undermine the work of our Lord Jesus Christ, because He is more than able to meet our needs, stop denying His power by relying so much on the Old Testament's laws, it's the same thing Jews in the 1st Century did! And they crucified Him! You can't be justified by law, nor can you be saved nor sanctified, only by faith in Him are you saved, justified and by His Spirit, sanctified, THERE IS NO OTHER WAY.

that's your understanding SC and you are wrong. I can't undermind the word of God, yet lack of understanding can. I listen very well SC, I hear you and others here claim that faith alone is all that is needed and I read something different.

I ask a simple question yet none of you can't answer.

what law did Jesus replace SC?

the answer is the law of animal sacrifice, this iS not hard to understand.

Lets read what Paul said in Romans 10

PAY ATTENTION

Rom 10v 1: Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2: For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3: For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4: For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5: For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

13: For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Answer these Question SoundCard?

14: How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15: And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16: But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17: So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

 

[ozell]

=Light hearted;53624047]Your question concerning the "law" is very missleading to many.

Law can mean one particular law amongst many laws, or it could mean "Law" as in the meaning of the combined laws written by Moses. Your fault for not being clear.

what law did Jesus replace? what misleading about the question?

When you print these versus above what is your point?

for yuo to read and comment

Once again you are not being clear. Your fault.

what law did Jesus replace? If you don't know say it or don't comment.

What are you trying to achieve here by mixing Law and Grace?

what is mixing law and grace is this some new nonsense doctrine?

the question is what law did Jesus replace?

Once again we have no clue what your goal is here. Your fault.

what is your goal here? I have no clue what your goal is here,seeing you can't answer a simple question.

Does following the "Law" gain salvation or does Grace through faith?

here is what the law can do for you again I post

Mt 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17: And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18: He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19: Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

this is very clear and to the point, eternal life is obtained by keeping the commandments, Salvation and eternal life is the same.

Would you rather go back to animal sacrifice?

I have no need to go back to sacrifice, Jesus is my sacrifice,

what sacrifice did Jesus replace?

Does Moses and other prophets foretell the future and the coming of Jesus?

that what the book says

You use scripure to strengthen your beliefs but your examples are never complete. You pick sentences, yet the whole paragraph tells another story around the sentence. Your fault.

again you wrong, the bible says teach line upon line and precept upon precept.


Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

10: For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

11: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

12: To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

13: But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

It's time to come clean and get to the point. There are some who come to this forum to learn about "truth". I am sure you will say something like"I am trying to get the truth across". Yet so far after all your posts you have gained no momentum. Your return comments have been condemming and not out of love as Jesus would have answered.

go back and read my post and answer the question and you need to stop telling me what I should do. If you had read my post I don't tell you what to do. I ask a question and somehow you and other can't answer,

answer the question and quit giving excuses.

It's time to enlighten us with truth other than confusing any newcomers of whom are young Christians just trying to get a foothold of what Jesus has done for them.

a newcomer can join in the discussion, the only ones confused is you and other who can't answer the question.

Instead of asking questions, start answering your own questions, that would be a good place to start. Your fix

again what law did Jesus replace?

answer the question, or don't comment.

is this hard for you to do?

 

[ozell]

what Law did Jesus replace? it is not the commandments

Long after Jesus death and resurrection Paul wrote

Rom 13v8: Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

9: For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

10: Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

 

[ozell]

When Jesus died only the sacrificial law was done away with.

We still must obey all of God's laws and statues of conduct, from the ten commandments to the least commandment.

We cannot choose to obey one without obeying the others.

Do not let anyone convince you that it's wrong to keep God's commandments.

Don't let anyone deprive you of the opportunity to receive eternal life.

We were deprived of this opportunity once, but the death of Jesus has given us another chance.

All have sinned (broken the law...I John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death.

When Jesus (the true lamb of God) was sacrificed, he removed our sins.

If we accept Jesus as our sin offering, we are required to repent and get baptized IN THE NAME OF JESUS ("there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved..." Acts 4:12).

This is our last chance.​

 

[NatalieJan777]

They defame the law and the righteous because they do not understand that the law is of the spirit.

Romans 7:12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.

Romans 7:14 We know that the law is spiritual.

What Paul is telling them in Romans chapter 7 is that man cannot uphold the spiritual laws without the Holy Spirit. What they hear is that the law leads to death and in an effort not to die they must defame the law and the righteous. I love them too Ozell and only wish to help, but until they seek the Holy Spirits guidance in acknowledging the truth they will continue to live a lie.

It is a human self mechanizm to protect oneself, unfortunately it is selfish and will come to no good. Without the Holy Spirit the law cannot be upheld because the righteousness produced by submission to the Holy Spirit is the righteousness of GOD, we have no righteousness of our own. And we would not be given the Holy Spirit to move us toward obedience to the law without the atonement of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus.

The sinful nature is what tells them that the law leads to death. In reality if they knew the law, they would already know what the Holy Spirit has led them to uphold, and they would stop arguing their point and taking what is said so personal.

Should we do what Jesus told his disciples to do? Should we leave them be and let the blind guide the blind? I don't know? What I do know is that we are led by the Spirit to abhor that which is evil and cling to that which is good. But my heart bleeds for them as I know GOD's does, because HE wishes for all to come to repentance and live. I must have faith and believe that GOD will complete the good work HE has started in them.

 

[Light hearted]

When Jesus died only the sacrificial law was done away with.

We were deprived of this opportunity once, but the death of Jesus has given us another chance.​

All have sinned (broken the law...I John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death.​

When Jesus (the true lamb of God) was sacrificed, he removed our sins.​

If we accept Jesus as our sin offering, we are required to repent and get baptized IN THE NAME OF JESUS ("there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved..." Acts 4:12). ​

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Just one question concerning "all" laws. Deut. 14:8. basically says you can not eat pig, I ate pig at Thanksgiving, does this mean I will not achieve eternal life?

I thank you for opening up and letting us see your true belief in Jesus Christ, this is all I was looking for.

I coundn't argee more with all that is in your quote above concerning Jesus. Amen.

I notice some assume that when we put Jesus way high it is not that we put Jesus way out ahead of the commandments and ride the "Grace wave". I do try to observe the commandments and love my fellow man as much as I can. Yet I know I will fail and come short of God's best. This is where I raise Jesus high to first ask for his strenghth and thank him for his sacrifice so I may have another chance.

Do I still have to stay away from eating pig? It was a law afterall.

 

[ozell]

Light hearted;53635877]Just one question concerning "all" laws. Deut. 14:8. basically says you can not eat pig, I ate pig at Thanksgiving, does this mean I will not achieve eternal life?

I'll let the bible answer that you question.

It is obvious by your question you know that there is a law that forbids eating unclean animals.

It is also obvious by your light heartedness of God's word that you ate the pig wifully, knowing full knowledge that its against the Words of God.

It is very obvious you have no clue that the verse I will put is in the bible.

Hopefully you have enough knowledge to understand these verses

Isaiah 66

15: For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

16: For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

17: They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

18: For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.

He's talking about people like you who don't have a problem with disobeying the word of God.

Now after reading this and confessing your sin to all here, what do you think? its obvious you did not do the correct thing and repent so you are sill in your sins.

I thank you for opening up and letting us see your true belief in Jesus Christ, this is all I was looking for.

so by this simple question that you can't answer you know what I believe?

I notice some assume that when we put Jesus way high it is not that we put Jesus way out ahead of the commandments and ride the "Grace wave". I do try to observe the commandments and love my fellow man as much as I can. Yet I know I will fail and come short of God's best. This is where I raise Jesus high to first ask for his strenghth and thank him for his sacrifice so I may have another chance.

How can you Love your fellow man without keeping the last 6 commandments? Impossible!

of course you will fall short in keeping the commandments, yet the Lord said pray, repent, ask for forgiveness, and

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Do I still have to stay away from eating pig? It was a law afterall.

I'll let the word of God condemn you

lets read in Leviticus as we did in Isaiah

Lev 11
1: And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,
2: Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.
3: Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.
4: Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
7: And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.

11: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.

44: For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

45: For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.

46: This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:

47: To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

Your confession of a willful sin was spoken of by Paul

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

 

[Light hearted]

NatalieJan777, I ask you, do you totally agree with Ozell and adhering to "all" the Laws of the Old Testament. How close do you stand with 100 percent of his beliefs.

If you absolutly believe that eating Pork will keep you from eternal life then we must break down this verse below.

Col. 2:16 16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

The new covanant clearly excludes that what you eat is a sin that is held against you. Please explain if you agree.

Then lets move on to Jesus comandment of.....

Exodus 21:24Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

Mattew 5:38-39 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

This new covanant commandment is clearly a change from the old one. When we, the saved by Jesus sacrifice, are going to follow a commandment we are going to follow the commandment's stated by Jesus, not the Old Testament Laws.

Clearly there has been more that one Law changed by Jesus. Please explain why Jesus would come to decieve and lie than to bring life.

Please settle down on the personal jabs, I can't understand your purpose with satire mixed in with your replies. Thanks

 

[NatalieJan777]

Do I still have to stay away from eating pig? It was a law afterall.

If you look at this law as a benifit to you and not a commandment not to do it just because GOD himself says so you might see things differently.

Pig is high in fat content, yes this means flavor to man but at a health risk to himself. This law was put in place by GOD as a health benifit to HIS people. If you enjoy eating pig then do so, just consider the health risks involved in indulging in it regularly.

Look at all the laws and commandments from the standpoint that it is for the good of yourself and all around you. It is GOD's love for HIS people that he commanded everything, and set up the laws.

Begin looking at them from HIS stand point (acceptance) and stop saying they are ridiculous laws (denial).

 

[NatalieJan777]

The main thing that really bothers me spiritually about this whole discussion is that there is discention when it comes to the WORD of GOD. Moses is defamed, the law is defamed and a claim has been presented that the Pharisees of Christs time were rejected by GOD and Killed Christ because they obeyed the law.

In reality, what the Pharisees did was add to the law and then favored what they had added over what GOD put in place. The laws have always been spiritual and there I am sure many before Christ who obeyed them spiritually. If we attempt to obey them through the sinful nature it is impossible, this is when we will fail. However, if we attempt to obey them through the Holy Spirit we have the aid of GOD himself to overcome.

Many who make this claim rely much on the appostle pauls words in claiming that adherance to the laws is death. Correct adherance to the laws through the Holy Spirit will lead to eternal life. Since the law is spiritual it must be accepted spiritually. This is as true today as it was in Moses' time.

Let us look at what Paul has to say about these pharisees and those who killed Christ Jesus:

Romans 10:2-3 For I can testify about them that they are zealous for GOD, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from GOD and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness.

All the commandments and laws are GOD's righteousness. If sought obedience to them is through the Holy Spirit. The Isrealites were told not to take away from or add to the established commandments and laws but they did it anyway, this is self righteousness. Many denominations today are still doing wrong in this, when they add and take away, because it leads to confussion and the state at which we find ourselves today.

Our obedience to the commandments and the laws through the Holy Spirit is all GOD's righteousness. We cannot overcome this world with self righteousness, only the righteousness of GOD. They key word in the scripture above is "submit". Many who deny the commandments and laws have not fully submitted to the righteousness of GOD. However, the Holy Spirit will not give up on them because GOD wants all to come to repentance which is submission to the Holy Spirit. Eternal life will only come through the submission to the Holy Spirit through the sacrifice of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus. For you cannot know what you do not believe and you cannot believe what you do not know.