What jurisdiction are you a part of?

[Matrona]

Why is Antiochian listed after ROCOR and Coptic?! Is outrage! Antiochians are canonical and not schismatic.

I am a proud Antiochian. My parish is almost all converts.

 

[Orthodox Andrew]

Why is Antiochian listed after ROCOR and Coptic?! Is outrage! Antiochians are canonical and not schismatic.

I am a proud Antiochian. My parish is almost all converts.

To bug you.

 

[Michael G]

Is outrage you dont have COROC (Church Outside Russia of Orthodox Christians) listed. How is poor Fr. Vasily Vasilievich supposed to answer this pole?

 

[Moros]

Antiochians are canonical and not schismatic.

Argh, the whole 'rocor is schismatic because they aren't in communion with oca' arguement. I had a pretty good debate the other day at the monastery about ROCOR. They aren't going to be 'schismatic' (if you can call them such) for very long - reunification talks with mospat officially begin in september.

 

[Oblio]

OCA - Geek Orthodox Subjurisdiction

Our motto - Why Schism when we can just Push onto the stack and run in our own user space.

 

[DoubleDutch]

I was received in the Russian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate), then (because I moved house several times) went to the Constantinopel Patriarchate. Now I will be a member of the Church of Greece again.

 

[Stone_Lock_Comanche]

You all who like to defame and insult ROCOR should be ashamed. Look at the spirit, and content of there message board. http://www.monachos.net/cgi-bin/mb/discus.cgi?pg=topics&access=guest

It is Said you will "Know them by their fruits". Also " Take the log out of your own eye, before reproaching your brother for the speck in his".

 

[Grand_Duchess-Elizaveta]

You will never hear me say an ill word about ROCOR. Their only "issue" is a political problem which is being worked on at present. They are still cannonical. They are not teaching or believing anything contrary to Tradition.

 

[ExOrienteLux]

I'll assume that she was referring to the Copts until I hear otherwise from the horse's mouth.

Oh, and I have no clue as to what to choose, so I won't. For the moment. I need to think about it for a bit.

+IC XC NIKA+
Josh.

 

[Oblio]

You all who like to defame and insult ROCOR should be ashamed.

What we abhor is the trimphalist, more Orthodox than thou attitude that exists among some ROCORites, usually those in the US only, and often converts that need to spend more time in prayer rather than worring about things Russian. A sad mixture of Orthodoxy and the SCA IMO.

I also wasn't aware that Monachos was ROCOR. IIRC it is simply Orthodox. Perhaps you have them confused with the uber trad site http://www.euphrosynoscafe.com (aka rocorcafe) which tends to coddle to some of the schismatic TOC and ROAC groups ?

 

[ufonium2]

To be honest, I've heard a lot more smack talked about ROCOR than I've heard ROCOR dish out. In fact, the only "holier than thou" attitude I've ever heard from Orthodox has been an article I read by a Greek slamming Slavic and American practices (kissing the chalice, other things that I would definitely consider "little t") going so far as to call them heresies, and some members of an Antiochian church where I used to live that were very condescing toward my home church because we hadn't been "canonical" very long. We'd been Orthodox since before they'd heard of Orthodoxy, but their having been in good with SCOBA for ten whole years as compared to our 2 apparently gave them the right to openly question every decision our priest made.

Of course, you all realize that by questioning ROCOR's Orthodoxy, you are in effect saying that you are more Orthodox than them, which is the exact attitude you are so quick to attribute to ROCOR.

 

[Oblio]

I think the only questioning of their Orthodoxy comes WRT who they are (or not) in communion with, I don't think anyone questions their faithfulness to Tradition or claims that we are more Orthodox in matters of faith or praxis (In fact, one of my favorite apologetics sites is ROCA (ROCOR) ), but Orthodoxy also involves communion with all the other Churches.

 

[ExOrienteLux]

Better watch out, Oblio, or someone might start accusing you of Neo-Papal-Patriarchalism. Yes, I've been reading OC.net again.

 

[Reader Nilus]

When I became Orthodox in 1989, and ever since, periodically His Grace Bishop TIKHON has had to point out to the faithful in my diocese that we are in communion with ROCOR! In some ways, the animosity if you want to call it that comes from SCOBA churches and not ROCOR. I remember back when I was at the U of W and going to an Orthodox Student Group back in the mid-70's we were visiting various Orthodox Parishes and we were at the Assumption Greek Orthodox parish which is just almost across the street from the ROCOR cathedral of St Nicholas, when I asked about the Russian Orthodox Church across the street, I was told we do not talk about them!!! It seems to me SCOBA is just as responsible, if not more so, for ROCOR being isolated, as it is ROCOR withdrawing.
When asked about what jurisdiction I recommend, I always point out the ROCOR parishes as the place to go, if all things are equal.
Jeff the Finn

 

[Mary of Bethany]

Let's keep this thread from getting into jurisdiction bashing.

We're Orthodox - that's all that matters.

I'm very happily part of the OCA - Diocese of the South, but I could also very happily be GOA, AOC, ROCOR, or any other alphabet soup jurisdiction.

 

[Cradle]

I remember back when I was at the U of W and going to an Orthodox Student Group back in the mid-70's we were visiting various Orthodox Parishes and we were at the Assumption Greek Orthodox parish which is just almost across the street from the ROCOR cathedral of St Nicholas, when I asked about the Russian Orthodox Church across the street, I was told we do not talk about them!!!

For the first and maybe last time in this forum I will step in and defend my distant cousins .

Isn't "not talking about them" exactly what the americans of greek decent should do? I mean, the division between Moscow / OCA and ROCOR is a problem Moscow and ROCOR have to settle. Imagine how much bashing the greeks will get if they start interfering and fully restore communion with ROCOR on their own initiative!!! Oh oh oh, imagine the new accusations about the phyletists that want to patronise orthodoxy!!! Further deterioration of relations between Moscow and Phanari? I don't want to see that!

I'm sorry, when we are wrong, I'm with you, we are wrong, when we are being careful, are we wrong again for spreading animosity because we don't interfere to settle a problem that is out of any greek jurisdiction?

On the other hand, you being apparently an "outsider" at the time, you were probably scandalised. I would say forgive us our weakness, but I'm sure you've already done so a long time ago, since you embraced Orthodoxy .

Well Mary is very right, even more so with respect to me not even having any connection to America whatsoever. And hopefully the drift in russian orthodoxy will soon be healed the proper way (through restoration of full communion between Moscow and ROCOR).

 

[Reader Nilus]

The problem was it was not the Greeks who said that but the SCOBA Orthodox Student Group, which did.
Jeff the Finn

 

[Cradle]

OH!

I apologise. The way you phrased it I thought the people at the greek church you mentioned told you they don't talk about the ROCOR church .

 

[Matthias]

Greek, right now.

 

[Photini]

Greek Orthodox Archdiocese. My bishop is His Eminence +ALEXIOS, Metropolitan of Atlanta.