Of course. But show me the definition of faith that is "belief in action".All of Heb 11 is an expose on faith. The very first verse gives a definition of the word.
No belief in action here. Faith is a conviction.Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen.
Uh, no, it's not. It's something we trust in.It is something we can see, touch, feel, experience; in othe words, it is something we do.
No belief in action here. Faith is a conviction.
That is not at all accurate.In fact, the Bible both encourages and exhorts believers to ACT on their faith.
If faith WAS "belief in action", then NONE of those verses would be meaningful.
Faith is not just a conviction, although that certainly is a part of it. Some translations of the Bible say that faith is a confidence and assurance, but that doesn’t fit with the rest of Heb 11. Faith is the evidence of that confidence. Faith is the substance of that assurance. As James says, faith MUST include action or it is dead and worthless; like a soulless body.
That is not at all accurate.
A person is a soul as well as the body, but in many places in Scripture the body and soul are talked about separately. The body is not alive without the soul, and neither is faith alive without action.
We are being told in the passages you reference to make our faith “alive”, by putting action into it.
As James says (and I paraphrase), You show me how alive you faith is without action (You cannot; it is dead), and I will show you how alive my faith is through my actions.
Thank you for proving my point.Free: "In fact, the Bible both encourages and exhorts believers to ACT on their faith.
If faith WAS "belief in action", then NONE of those verses would be meaningful."
The first answer for Freegrace, is we are instructed to not use our liberty (freedom) for an occasion to the flesh, but to serve ( no freedom) one another in love..
Galatians 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
None of this defines faith as "belief in action". Further, the fruit of the Spirit is actually "faithfulness", since ONLY believers can produce, in the filling of the Holy Spirit, faithfulness. Believers, BY DEFINITION, already have faith.Free: "But show me the definition of faith that is "belief in action"."
Here is your definition.
God is a Spirit.
The Spirit of the Lord, rested on the Son of God, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord.
We having the same Spirit of faith. ( gift of the Holy Ghost)
Fruit of the Spirit if faith.
All of these verses support the fact that believers are to act on their faith by deeds.We think soberly according as God has given to every man a measure of faith. 9 Spirit of faith)
And that we may be delivered from the unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith. ( men have faith in the flesh, where there is no truth)...
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Isaiah 11:2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;
2 Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
2 Thessalonians 3:2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.
The most accurate word for "framed" is really restored. Go figure that one out. If you need some help, I'll be glad to assist.Through faith, the worlds were framed by the Word of God ( through the faith of Jesus Christ)
How do these verses deal with believers being urged, exhorted, commanded to demonstrate their faith by their works?God said, let there be light, and there was light...
Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
This is one very long sentence, and frankly, doesn't make sense. Could you pare it down some so I can follow what you are trying to convey?[/QUOTE]Free: "If faith WAS "belief in action", then NONE of those verses would be meaningful."
Faith, we have read, is Spirit, that is why it is now Holy faith, and why they now keep themselves in the love of God, as the Holy Ghost is given to them to have Holy faith with, and the love of God is shed into their hearts, as before this they could not believe in the love of the truth, both love and truth would be nonsense to them, by not having any love in them to understand what love is, by not having the Spirit of truth in them, to know what truth is, neither believing in the Holy Lord God, without Holy faith being given into them to understand/believe with, which is the gift of the Holy Ghost ( the purpose of the Spirit being given is so we can have the same Spirit of faith ( as Christ/Christs Spirit given, to call on the Lord with, in truth....
Please quote supporting verses for your claim here.Faith is not just a conviction, although that certainly is a part of it. Some translations of the Bible say that faith is a confidence and assurance, but that doesn’t fit with the rest of Heb 11. Faith is the evidence of that confidence.
Yes. The word "substance" is the essence of something. Faith really means assurance.Faith is the substance of that assurance.
No, he didn't say that at all. He was exhorting believers to demonstrate their faith by their works. As v.18 clearly indicates. btw, the quote marks are in error in most, or all, of the translations. The endquote should be at the end of the verse. iow, the "someone" says everything that follows in v.18.As James says, faith MUST include action or it is dead and worthless; like a soulless body.
It's quite clear in James 2:18 by moving the second quote mark to the end of the verse. In fact, the verse makes no sense when you leave the end mark where it is.That is not at all accurate.
While this is all true, it is irrelevant to the discussion.A person is a soul as well as the body, but in many places in Scripture the body and soul are talked about separately. The body is not alive without the soul, and neither is faith alive without action.
And that is my point! The ONLY WAY to see a faith (living faith) is to see evidence of it, which is works.As James says (and I paraphrase), You show me how alive you faith is without action (You cannot; it is dead), and I will show you how alive my faith is through my actions.
Very good point!! But that would be the conclusion the way so many people take James.Dead faith and then we do works doesn't give us living faith.
Yes I tell them the truth, I care for them, I tell them they are dead. That is not abandoning them, If I didnt care for them I would just say that they can "still believe", leaving them off to die deceived.
Eating food sacrificed to animals is still of the devil and it will be punished:
Revelation 2:20 But I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads My servants to be sexually immoral and to eat food sacrificed to idols.
You reject it so you dont go to hell, not because you are "showing disapproval" to men:
Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
You should be concerned about it, so you dont sin against God because of ignorance, because even if you dont know the food was sacrificed to idols, you still sin against God, you are just lucky He is kind enough to forgive you for your ignorance, but I wouldnt bank on that, I would make sure the food wasnt sacrificed to idols before I eat anything. And if there is no way to know, dont eat it.
First the rabbit has already drowned to understand what Im saying. Wasn't Lazarus already dead before he did anything.
First the rabbit has already drowned to understand what Im saying. Wasn't Lazarus already dead before he did anything.
A spiritually dead person can "still believe" ?
A spiritually dead person is not "spiritually incapacitated".
How does anyone arrive to this conclusions?
Why defend the spiritually dead? Woe to them! They are not heard:
Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
Not answered, cant find Him:
Proverbs 1:28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
What is the cappability of the spiritually dead then? They can rot in their misery.
Is there any other cappability written in the bible? Where do you get this ideas from?
Hes spiritually dead. He can function naturally, since hes naturally alive, and so all his responses to the things of God are natural dead works. The most he can function is the natural mans religion, which equates to this Prov 14:12
There is a way which seemeth right unto a[natural] man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Jesus tells the disciples how He has revealed all things of the Father to them ( to them it is given to know/believe in, the mysteries of the Kingdom) But Jesus chose them, they did not chose to believe in Him,, and esus ordains them ( gives them the Holy Spirit) to know Him and never depart..
John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Jesus again confirms, ( all in John 15) they are not of the world, but chosen out of the world ( remember Jesus prays not for the world but for those who the Father gave)..
Answer the question !So then God is leading a dead rabbit to repentance? That’s been the question you keep dodging the whole time.
Answer the question please !If this is the way you see it then salvation comes before repentance. That’s incorrect since we have to repent and believe before we can receive the Holy Spirit and be saved. When the jailer asked Paul & Silas what must I do to be saved Paul’s answer was believe. Your saying a person must be saved in order to repent and believe but the scriptures specifically state over and over that we must repent and believe in order to be saved.
A natural man isnt dead to the natural world friend, but to the Spiritual world and things pertaining to it, hes dead. Therefore his natural response to Spiritual realties will be either adversarial and with enmity, or mere superficially like the stony ground hearer who didnt really spiritually understand Matt 13:20-21That “way” is walking in unrighteousness as opposed to walking in righteousness. You can’t take single ambiguous verses out of context and use them any way you please. You have to present them in the context that they were being used.
Its called lining up scripture with scripture, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. The scripture is a spiritual reservoir. 2 Tim 3:16That “way” is walking in unrighteousness as opposed to walking in righteousness. You can’t take single ambiguous verses out of context and use them any way you please. You have to present them in the context that they were being used.
You have it all wrong.That describes a dead faith hearer !
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