What is your "endtime" view?

[walt2000]

honestly if its that important you need a new version which explains what your trying to say cause that thing is nuttin but gibberish to me(not saying it doesn't contain useful information but its impossible to put together as is, unless you made the chart )

but its impossible to put together as is, unless you made the chart )I made it.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Google
walt2000
walt2000 revelations
walt2000 interpretation of revelations
walt2000 seven thunders of revelation
walt2000 eight thunders
Do a google
I had to brake a few eggs .as you will see?

All The other views are wrong.Is That bold or not?
I call it positive.walt2000

 

[&Abel]

thats my point

you made it so you understand what your trying to say but we don't

 

[walt2000]

thats my point

you made it so you understand what your trying to say but we don't

Give It a chance It"s not for everyone.Blessed is he that See's and understands.I have not been proved wrong yet.
not in the whole world.Now IT'S Your TURN.
Rev.22/18-19
walt2000​

 

[Codger]

Dear Friends at CF,
I am reminded of the Eschatology of the people in Jesus' day. The common and popular belief was that the long awaited Messiah would appear and have great power. He would vanquish the gentile oppressors (Romans) and elevate Israel to a position of being the world power. The Jews would then rule the world and the wealth of nations would pour into Israel and life would be utopian. Jesus demonstrated this kind of power.
When the people shouted "Hosanna," (Hoshana) at the Triumphal entry, they did not have in mind for Jesus to save them from their sins - which was God‘s plan. No, rather they were saying - please save us now from our oppressors the Romans. The Disciples argued over who would become the new prime minister in the Kingdom that they believed that Jesus was about to set up. They believed the "popular" eschatology despite the fact that Jesus told them plainly what was going to happen.

Jesus was exhibiting extreme power in their midst. Withered limbs were restored, blind eyes were opened - the deaf could hear. Jesus was gathering a huge following in Israel much to the distress of the Jewish leaders. The major turning point toward the end of Jesus’ ministry was the raising of Lazarus. This was the miracle which tipped the scales and set the resolve for the Leadership in the Temple to kill Jesus. It was easy for the Disciples to believe that Jesus could vanquish the Romans and establish this new Kingdom of Righteousness in the world. Such power he wielded.

Even to the very end, all the Disciples believed Jesus would set up a new world Kingdom in which they would be in leadership. The very night before they had all sworn their undying loyalty to Jesus - to the death. Judas believed this and thought he would precipitate a confrontation between Jesus and the Authorities in which this would happen. When he realized that his plan didn’t work - he killed himself. Peter with bold confidence confronted a whole cohort of Roman soldiers (600) with a small sword and cut off the ear of one of the Temple Guards. That’s guts - but as soon as Jesus allowed himself to be arrested - Peter realized that his Eschatology was all wrong and Jesus was not going to use his power to destroy the Romans. At this point they all scattered and Peter had totally lost his confidence and denied Jesus three times in a short while in all cowardice. The confrontation had happened just like Judas planned, but it didn’t pan out the way they all expected.

Their Eschatology was all wrong; and I find that our Eschatology is all wrong today. If our Eschatology is all based on control, domination, coercion, and force - I think we need to realize that these are not characteristics of Gods nature and Holiness. He is really big on respecting the individuals sovereignty and free will. He cannot and will not force people to love him and serve him. Rather he saves us through influence of the Holy Spirit through Christians and pressure from the events of life. He probably crosses the paths of the unbelievers thousands of times per year to influence them to seek him.

Whatever our Eschatology is it will be overwritten by Gods intents and purposes. He is not going to change his Eschatology to fit our belief as we have seen from the first century Israel. Whatever the true Eschatology is - it has at it’s center the evangelism of the whole world. God is going to ramp up the pressure in life on the whole world in order to reach the lost - this is where his heart has always been. So like I say - don’t be so easily persuaded to throw the ungodly under the bus as is common in the popular Eschatology.

I know it’s hard to do, but rather believe that God loves the murderer, the fornicator, the homosexual, the adulterer, the terrorist. Hard for me to grasp too - but that is the outrageous love of God as his provision has been made for them at the cross. As I speak I have to think of the wonderful story of murderess Carla Faye Tucker who had such a life changing experience in prison. Unfortunately, her conversion didn‘t save her from lethal injection at Huntsville. In his love he will exhaust his efforts all through these people’s lifetimes to bring them to know him.

Evangelization has to be the heart of our Eschatology in today’s world. Churches that I am familiar with are really growing in this first of three phases of Harvest (Jones). The popular Eschatology wants to see things get worse and worse and then escape. I would say that God needs you and all of us should get busy and sharpen our scythes and sickles. The church all through history has believed that when things get really bad enough then Jesus would come. The most poignant example of this was in the time of Diocletian who lived in the late third century. The greatest slaughter of Christians happened under his reign. About 450,000 Christians died which was almost a quarter (2,100,000) of all who died under the Roman Empire. They fervently believed that Jesus would come to rescue them. He did not - and will not come until the Father says so. And the Father is not telling anyone the times and the seasons.

Larry

 

[get it right]

but its impossible to put together as is, unless you made the chart )I made it.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Google
walt2000
walt2000 revelations
walt2000 interpretation of revelations
walt2000 seven thunders of revelation
walt2000 eight thunders
Do a google
I had to brake a few eggs .as you will see?

All The other views are wrong.Is That bold or not?
I call it positive.walt2000

1 Corinthians
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

no one does, or will know it all until the perfect is come (Jesus)

 

[LamorakDesGalis]

Moderators,
As the OP I request its time to close this thread. I don't think anyone is interested in seeing continuous and shameless promotion of Walt's singular view.


LDG

 

[walt2000]

Moderators,
As the OP I request its time to close this thread. I don't think anyone is interested in seeing continuous and shameless promotion of Walt's singular view.


LDG

The Little scroll,The Seven Thunders
You mean you can not see any thing in this? Open your eyes and look again the proof is all over the page that is if you want to see. walt2000​

 

[walt2000]

Moderators,
As the OP I request its time to close this thread. I don't think anyone is interested in seeing continuous and shameless promotion of Walt's singular view.


LDG

Christ made this seamless scroll, I am just repeating this view
I would say a little extra, when I pray, if I were you .walt2000

 

[walt2000]

I think there are people that are still interested in seeing the true interpretation of Revelation.walt2000

 

[Gary777]

Hi,
my name is Gary, im Scandinavian.
I was a dispensational posttribulational premillennialist (phew!)

But the i studiet myself, and deared to read som books that was not heard about in my pentacharismatic context (m still a member there...) and am now for years a full blown partial preterist.

In more detail: Ad70 is a very important historic milstone, and much of prophecy was fulfilled then. The arguments for this goes on and on and on...

What we are waiting for is the return of Jesus to earth. 2. Peter 3 has a mild description of what were waiting for, but the main point is: Jesus comes back on the (literal) last day to judge the living and the dead.

Whats happning now is that the Kingdom is taking over the earth, trough the church and the power of the GOSPEL!

The 7 year wrath, 3.5 years trib, rapture up in heaven, crazy possessed antichrist stamping barcodes on everyones head, sitting in some temple in Jerusalem ruling the world, super bloodbath in Israel...all these things and more cozy christian stories GLIMMERS with its absence in my visions of the future!

But i do see all nations baptized, taught the words of Jesus and being discipled, and i do see all enemies laid as a footstool under his feet before he returns.

Belive what you want, but noone can argue that im the most positive person in here!!!


Anyone need a deeper understanding in this view, maybe check out the "mark of the beast identified" playlist over at forerunners youtube site ( http://www.youtube.com/jcr4runner )

 

[Biblewriter]

I think there are people that are still interested in seeing the true interpretation of Revelation.walt2000

That is why we are so tired of your shameless promotion.

I have not even attempted to figgure out your chart, because you have repeatedly revealed that you have based it of a false assumption.

You say that the Revelation must be interpreted by itself, without referring to any other scriptures.

This is a manifestly false proposition, for the scriptures expressly say that no scripture is of any private interpretation. (2 Peter 1:20) We need to interpret all of scripture in the light of all the rest of scripture. If we fail to do this, we are sure to err, for we have ignored a basic scriptural injunction.

 

[HumbleServant94]

I am a pre-trib and pre-millenial believer.

 

[Covenant Heart]

Moltmannian Eschatology...

approaches this study from a thematic/theological standpoint. It is less concerned with prediction of details than with the import (theological meaning) of the great movements in redemptive history which (obviously) has an eschatological destiny.

Steve Harris' 'theology and Biblical Studies' blog

'Moltmann begins with the cross and resurrection and uses them to interpret history. Just as Christ shared in the sin, suffering and darkness of creation on the cross, so by taking it on himself and being raised to new life he becomes the prototype of what God intends not only for humanity, but the whole of creation itself. God has made the resurrection a promise of what he one day intends to do for all creation - to make it new and free it from the power of sin, injustice and death.'

'...God has already announced and guaranteed that in the Future Kingdom of God there will be no suffering, pain, injustice, or death and so our mission in the present is to transform the lives and circumstances of people so that God's kingdom comes upon them. Eschatology is not like the appendix in the book of history, it is the story of history itself.'

Covenant Heart

 

[walt2000]

That is why we are so tired of your shameless promotion.

I have not even attempted to figgure out your chart, because you have repeatedly revealed that you have based it of a false assumption.

You say that the Revelation must be interpreted by itself, without referring to any other scriptures.

This is a manifestly false proposition, for the scriptures expressly say that no scripture is of any private interpretation. (2 Peter 1:20) We need to interpret all of scripture in the light of all the rest of scripture. If we fail to do this, we are sure to err, for we have ignored a basic scriptural injunction.

Rev.22/18 tells us it is a stand alone book ,all will not see it
Now we Take each letter individually and interpret them. Seven letters = Seven thunders to the Seven candle sticks = Seven church's. walt2000​

 

[walt2000]

That is why we are so tired of your shameless promotion.

I have not even attempted to figgure out your chart, because you have repeatedly revealed that you have based it of a false assumption.

You say that the Revelation must be interpreted by itself, without referring to any other scriptures.

This is a manifestly false proposition, for the scriptures expressly say that no scripture is of any private interpretation. (2 Peter 1:20) We need to interpret all of scripture in the light of all the rest of scripture. If we fail to do this, we are sure to err, for we have ignored a basic scriptural injunction.

You use them as proof.after the fact to prove your point,of Revelation ,you don't mix.
.Rev.22/18
walt2000​

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by walt2000 I think there are people that are still interested in seeing the true interpretation of Revelation.walt2000

I for one enjoy your posts and hope to see more of them

 

[get it right]

the book of revelations is not a stand alone book, it is one of the 66 books that make up the bible.
much of what is said in revelations was already said in old testament books.

here are some i copied down from blue letter bible study tools
Rev 1:6 Exd 19:6
Rev 1:7 Dan 7:13
Rev 1:7 Isa 40:5
Rev 1:7 Zec 12:10-14
Rev 1:8 Isa 41:4
Rev 1:8 Isa 44:6
Rev 1:12 Zec 4:2
Rev 1:14, 15 Dan 7:9
Rev 1:14, 15 Dan 10:5, 6
Rev 1:14, 15 Eze 1:27
Rev 1:14, 15 Eze 8:2
Rev 1:14, 15 Eze 43:2
Rev 1:16 Isa 49:2
Rev 1:17 Dan 8:17
Rev 1:17 Dan 10:8
Rev 1:17 Isa 44:6
Rev 2:1 Deu 23:14
Rev 2:7 Gen 2:9
Rev 2:14 Num 25:2
Rev 2:14 Num 31:16
Rev 2:20 1Ki 16:31
Rev 2:20 1Ki 21:23
Rev 2:20 2Ki 9:33
Rev 2:23 Jer 17:10
Rev 2:27 Psa 2:9
Rev 3:7 Isa 22:22
Rev 3:7 Job 12:14
Rev 3:9 Isa 60:14
Rev 3:17 Hsa 12:8
Rev 3:19 Pro 3:11, 12
Rev 3:21 Psa 110:1
Rev 4:2, 3 Eze 1:26, 28
Rev 4:5 Exd 19:16
Rev 4:5 Eze 1:1-28
Rev 4:5 Eze 11:1-25
Rev 4:5 Isa 6:1-13
Rev 4:6 Eze 1:22
Rev 4:6 Exd 24:10
Rev 4:6 Eze 1:5
Rev 4:6 Eze 10:12
Rev 4:7 Eze 1:10
Rev 4:8 Isa 6:2
Rev 5:1 Eze 2:2
Rev 5:6 Isa 53:7
Rev 5:6 Zec 4:10
Rev 5:6 2Ch 16:9
Rev 5:8 Psa 141:2
Rev 5:10 Exd 19:6
Rev 5:11 Dan 7:10
Rev 6:8 Eze 14:21
Rev 6:12, 13 Isa 24:18, 23
Rev 6:12, 13 Isa 13:13
Rev 6:12, 13 Hag 2:6
Rev 6:12, 13 Joe 2:31
Rev 6:12, 13 Isa 34:4
Rev 6:14 Psa 102:26
Rev 6:14 Isa 34:4
Rev 6:15, 16 Isa 2:9
Rev 6:15, 16 Isa 2:19
Rev 6:15, 16 Hsa 10:8
Rev 6:15, 16 Isa 13:13
Rev 6:15, 16 Psa 110:5
Rev 6:15, 16 Joe 2:11
Rev 7:2, 3 Eze 9:2
Rev 7:16 Isa 49:10
Rev 7:17 Isa 25:8
Rev 8:3 Lev 16:12
Rev 8:3 Exd 30:8
Rev 8:3 Psa 141:2
Rev 8:5 Eze 10:2
Rev 8:7 Joe 2:30
Rev 8:7 Exd 9:23
Rev 8:8 Exd 7:20
Rev 8:11 Jer 9:15
Rev 8:12 Eze 32:7
Rev 9:4 Eze 9:6
Rev 9:6 Jer 8:3
Rev 9:7, 8, 9 Joe 2:4
Rev 9:7, 8, 9 Joe 1:6
Rev 9:7, 8, 9 Joe 2:5
Rev 9:20 Psa 115:4
Rev 9:20 Psa 135:15
Rev 10:2 Eze 2:9
Rev 10:3 Jer 25:30
Rev 10:4 Dan 8:26
Rev 10:5 Dan 12:4, 7, 9
Rev 10:8-11 Eze 2:8
Rev 10:11 Jer 1:9
Rev 11:1 Eze 40:3
Rev 11:1 Eze 41:13
Rev 11:1 Eze 40:47
Rev 11:2 Dan 7:25
Rev 11:4 Zec 4:3, 11
Rev 11:5 2Ki 1:9-12
Rev 11:6 1Ki 17:1
Rev 11:6 Exd 7:20
Rev 11:7 Dan 7:21
Rev 11:10 Est 9:22
Rev 11:15 Dan 2:44
Rev 11:15 Dan 7:14
Rev 11:18 Psa 2:1-5
Rev 11:18 Psa 46:6
Rev 11:18 Dan 7:10, 22
Rev 11:18 Psa 115:13
Rev 11:18 Dan 11:44
Rev 12:1, 2 Mic 4:9, 10
Rev 12:1, 2 Isa 66:7
Rev 12:3 Dan 7:7
Rev 12:4 Dan 8:10
Rev 12:5 Isa 66:7
Rev 12:5 Psa 2:10
Rev 12:6 Dan 7:25
Rev 12:7 Dan 10:13, 21
Rev 12:7 Dan 12:1
Rev 12:14 Dan 7:25
Rev 12:14 Dan 12:7
Rev 13:1 Dan 7:3, 7
Rev 13:2 Dan 7:5, 6
Rev 13:5, 6 Dan 7:8
Rev 13:5, 6 Dan 7:25
Rev 13:7 Dan 8:10, 24
Rev 13:7 Dan 5:19
Rev 13:7 Dan 2:37
Rev 13:10 Isa 14:2
Rev 13:10 Gen 9:6
Rev 13:14 Dan 3:1-30
Rev 14:1 Psa 2:6
Rev 14:1 Isa 59:20
Rev 14:5 Psa 32:2
Rev 14:8 Isa 21:9
Rev 14:8 Jer 51:8
Rev 14:8 Dan 4:27
Rev 14:10 Psa 75:9
Rev 14:10 Isa 51:22
Rev 14:10 Jer 25:15
Rev 14:11 Isa 34:10
Rev 14:14 Dan 7:13
Rev 14:14 Isa 19:1
Rev 14:15 Joe 3:13
Rev 14:19, 20 Joe 3:13
Rev 14:19, 20 Isa 63:3
Rev 14:19, 20 Lam 1:15
Rev 15:2 Eze 1:22
Rev 15:3 Exd 15:11
Rev 15:4 Jer 10:6
Rev 15:4 Psa 86:9
Rev 15:7 Eze 10:7
Rev 15:8 Eze 10:4
Rev 15:8 Isa 6:4
Rev 15:8 1Ki 8:11
Rev 16:2 Eze 10:2
Rev 16:2 Exd 9:10
Rev 16:3, 4 Exd 7:19, 20
Rev 16:6 Exd 7:21
Rev 16:6 Eze 16:38
Rev 16:10 Exd 10:22
Rev 16:12 Isa 11:15, 16
Rev 16:12 Jer 50:38
Rev 16:14, 16 Zep 3:8
Rev 16:14, 16 Joe 3:2
Rev 16:14, 16 Zec 14:2
Rev 16:21 Exd 9:24, 34
Rev 17:1 Jer 51:13
Rev 17:2 Jer 51:7
Rev 17:3 Dan 7:7, 8, 25
Rev 17:4 Jer 51:7
Rev 17:8 Dan 7:11
Rev 17:12 Dan 7:20, 24
Rev 17:14 Dan 8:25
Rev 17:15 Isa 8:7
Rev 17:15 Jer 51:42
Rev 18:2 Isa 21:9
Rev 18:2 Jer 51:8
Rev 18:2 Isa 13:21
Rev 18:3 Jer 51:7
Rev 18:3 Nah 3:4
Rev 18:4 Isa 52:11
Rev 18:4 Jer 50:8
Rev 18:4 Jer 51:6, 9, 45
Rev 18:6 Jer 50:15, 29
Rev 18:6 Psa 137:8
Rev 18:7, 8 Isa 47:7
Rev 18:7, 8 Jer 50:31
Rev 18:11 Eze 27:1-36
Rev 18:11 Isa 23:1-18
Rev 18:18 Isa 34:10
Rev 18:20 Isa 44:23
Rev 18:20 Jer 51:48
Rev 18:21 Jer 51:63, 64
Rev 18:22 Isa 24:8
Rev 18:22 Jer 7:34
Rev 18:22 Jer 25:10
Rev 18:23 Isa 23:8
Rev 18:24 Jer 51:49
Rev 19:2 Deu 32:4, 43
Rev 19:3 Isa 34:10
Rev 19:5 Psa 135:1, 20
Rev 19:5 Psa 115:13
Rev 19:8 Psa 45:14
Rev 19:8 Isa 61:10
Rev 19:11 Psa 72:2
Rev 19:12 Dan 10:6
Rev 19:13 Isa 63:1
Rev 19:15 Psa 2:9
Rev 19:15 Lam 1:15
Rev 19:15 Isa 63:3
Rev 19:17, 18 Isa 34:6
Rev 19:17, 18 Eze 39:17-20
Rev 19:19 Psa 2:2
Rev 19:20 Isa 30:33
Rev 19:20 Dan 7:11, 26
Rev 20:4 Dan 9:22, 27
Rev 21:1 Isa 65:17
Rev 21:2 Eze 40:1-49; 48:1-35
Rev 21:3 Eze 37:27
Rev 21:4 Isa 25:8
Rev 21:4 Isa 65:19
Rev 21:5 Isa 43:19
Rev 21:6 Isa 55:1
Rev 21:10 Eze 40:2
Rev 21:12 Eze 48:31
Rev 21:15 Zec 2:1
Rev 21:15 Eze 40:3
Rev 21:19 Isa 54:11, 12
Rev 21:23 Isa 60:19
Rev 21:23 Eze 48:35
Rev 21:24, 25 Isa 60:3, 11, 20
Rev 21:27 Isa 52:1
Rev 21:27 Eze 44:9
Rev 22:1, 2 Zec 14:8
Rev 22:1, 2 Eze 47:1, 7, 12
Rev 22:3 Zec 14:11
Rev 22:5 Isa 24:23
Rev 22:5 Isa 60:19
Rev 22:5 Eze 48:35
Rev 22:10 Dan 8:26
Rev 22:10 Dan 12:4
Rev 22:12 Isa 40:10
Rev 22:13 Isa 41:4
Rev 22:13 Isa 44:6
Rev 22:16 Isa 11:1, 10
Rev 22:17 Isa 55:1
Rev 22:18 Deu 4:2
Rev 22:18 Deu 12:32
Rev 22:20 Hab 2:3

 

[Barraco]

Dear Friends at CF,
I am reminded of the Eschatology of the people in Jesus' day. The common and popular belief was that the long awaited Messiah would appear and have great power. He would vanquish the gentile oppressors (Romans) and elevate Israel to a position of being the world power. The Jews would then rule the world and the wealth of nations would pour into Israel and life would be utopian. Jesus demonstrated this kind of power.
When the people shouted "Hosanna," (Hoshana) at the Triumphal entry, they did not have in mind for Jesus to save them from their sins - which was God‘s plan. No, rather they were saying - please save us now from our oppressors the Romans. The Disciples argued over who would become the new prime minister in the Kingdom that they believed that Jesus was about to set up. They believed the "popular" eschatology despite the fact that Jesus told them plainly what was going to happen.

Jesus was exhibiting extreme power in their midst. Withered limbs were restored, blind eyes were opened - the deaf could hear. Jesus was gathering a huge following in Israel much to the distress of the Jewish leaders. The major turning point toward the end of Jesus’ ministry was the raising of Lazarus. This was the miracle which tipped the scales and set the resolve for the Leadership in the Temple to kill Jesus. It was easy for the Disciples to believe that Jesus could vanquish the Romans and establish this new Kingdom of Righteousness in the world. Such power he wielded.

Even to the very end, all the Disciples believed Jesus would set up a new world Kingdom in which they would be in leadership. The very night before they had all sworn their undying loyalty to Jesus - to the death. Judas believed this and thought he would precipitate a confrontation between Jesus and the Authorities in which this would happen. When he realized that his plan didn’t work - he killed himself. Peter with bold confidence confronted a whole cohort of Roman soldiers (600) with a small sword and cut off the ear of one of the Temple Guards. That’s guts - but as soon as Jesus allowed himself to be arrested - Peter realized that his Eschatology was all wrong and Jesus was not going to use his power to destroy the Romans. At this point they all scattered and Peter had totally lost his confidence and denied Jesus three times in a short while in all cowardice. The confrontation had happened just like Judas planned, but it didn’t pan out the way they all expected.

Their Eschatology was all wrong; and I find that our Eschatology is all wrong today. If our Eschatology is all based on control, domination, coercion, and force - I think we need to realize that these are not characteristics of Gods nature and Holiness. He is really big on respecting the individuals sovereignty and free will. He cannot and will not force people to love him and serve him. Rather he saves us through influence of the Holy Spirit through Christians and pressure from the events of life. He probably crosses the paths of the unbelievers thousands of times per year to influence them to seek him.

Whatever our Eschatology is it will be overwritten by Gods intents and purposes. He is not going to change his Eschatology to fit our belief as we have seen from the first century Israel. Whatever the true Eschatology is - it has at it’s center the evangelism of the whole world. God is going to ramp up the pressure in life on the whole world in order to reach the lost - this is where his heart has always been. So like I say - don’t be so easily persuaded to throw the ungodly under the bus as is common in the popular Eschatology.

I know it’s hard to do, but rather believe that God loves the murderer, the fornicator, the homosexual, the adulterer, the terrorist. Hard for me to grasp too - but that is the outrageous love of God as his provision has been made for them at the cross. As I speak I have to think of the wonderful story of murderess Carla Faye Tucker who had such a life changing experience in prison. Unfortunately, her conversion didn‘t save her from lethal injection at Huntsville. In his love he will exhaust his efforts all through these people’s lifetimes to bring them to know him.

Evangelization has to be the heart of our Eschatology in today’s world. Churches that I am familiar with are really growing in this first of three phases of Harvest (Jones). The popular Eschatology wants to see things get worse and worse and then escape. I would say that God needs you and all of us should get busy and sharpen our scythes and sickles. The church all through history has believed that when things get really bad enough then Jesus would come. The most poignant example of this was in the time of Diocletian who lived in the late third century. The greatest slaughter of Christians happened under his reign. About 450,000 Christians died which was almost a quarter (2,100,000) of all who died under the Roman Empire. They fervently believed that Jesus would come to rescue them. He did not - and will not come until the Father says so. And the Father is not telling anyone the times and the seasons.

Larry

That was an excellent presentation of our currect situation. It's like getting a good idea of where we are going by looking at where we started. Take care brother. God bless

 

[get it right]

Rev.22/18 tells us it is a stand alone book ,all will not see it
Now we Take each letter individually and interpret them. Seven letters = Seven thunders to the Seven candle sticks = Seven church's. walt2000​

you are doing what you often accuse others of doing - adding to the book of revelation, rev 22-18
no where in the book of revelation is the seven letters given to the seven churches said to be the seven thunders, you have added that.
john was told to seal up and not write down what the seven thunders said
revelation 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
but earlier john did write down the letters to the seven churches, they were not sealed nor was he told not to write them down.

 

[Biblewriter]

Rev.22/18 tells us it is a stand alone book ,all will not see it

Now we Take each letter individually and interpret them. Seven letters = Seven thunders to the Seven candle sticks = Seven church's. walt2000​

Revelation 22:18 most certainly does not tell us that it is a stand alone book. That is your interpretation of the meaning of these words, but that is not what they say.

No interpretation of any part of scripture is correct if it contradicts any other part of scripture. And your interpretation of this part of scripture explicitly contradicts another scripture, which is "We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost" (2 Peter 1:19-21)

Here the Holy Spirit expressly states that no prophecy of the scripture can be interpreted privately, that is, in the absence of any other prophecy, because these prophecies did not come by the will of men, but "holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."