What is wrong with Calvinism ?

[ReverendRV]

Gen 3
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Here we see that God cursed His creation for Adams's good. The first chastisement implies Adam is a son. Then in verse 21 it is implied that God made the first animal sacrifice on Adam and Eves's behalf.

In addition, we have the implication given by Abel who would have learned about the Lord from His parents.

Nowhere does the Bible say Adam died a permanent spiritual death. Neither does Jesus redeem our flesh. Jesus redeems our spirit. Our bodies are dying as Adams did.

Romans 5 is about physical death and the second birth.

Fair enough. Thanks for the opportunity for me to teach this to the others...

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Getting ready to play some golf with my brother and son then come home and watch game 2 of the NBA finals. Go Warriors.

I'll probably be granted another vacation from the other place by the time I get home lol. @ReverendRV. I gave Tom a link for here since he is on vacation as well.

 

[RickReads]

Fair enough. Thanks for the opportunity for me to teach this to the others...

Again I say, you are just a Calvin wanna-be. You don't have the heart for it.

 

[ReverendRV]

Getting ready to play some golf with my brother and son then come home and watch game 2 of the NBA finals. Go Warriors.

I'll probably be granted another vacation from the other place by the time I get home lol. @ReverendRV. I gave Tom a link for here since he is on vacation as well.

Please tell him not to come here...

For real...

 

[ReverendRV]

Again I say, you are just a Calvin wanna-be. You don't have the heart for it.

I disagree my friend, I'm a 5-pointer...

 

[Cormack]

I.....just really want to introduce you to Cormack. LOL!

@ReverendRV seems like a lovely chap, so far as I’ve read. It’s nice to read from a Calvinist who admits to being one.

I've said elsewhere that God had Pity on the likes of Cormack...

Whereas God would have not simple pity, but favour upon the Calvinist, wouldn’t he, @ReverendRV.

He has deterministically given those people the rare spiritual blessing of Calvinism, an ability to discern spiritual truths the likes of which most Christians worldwide have never received.

 

[ReverendRV]

@ReverendRV seems like a lovely chap, so far as I’ve read. It’s nice to read from a Calvinist who admits to being one.


Whereas God would have not simple pity, but favour upon the Calvinist, wouldn’t he, @ReverendRV.

He has deterministically given those people the rare spiritual blessing of Calvinism, an ability to discern spiritual truths the likes of which most Christians worldwide have never received.

Nice to meet you Cormack...

 

[Cormack]

Nice to meet you Cormack...

Welcome to the board, you lovely fellow

 

[RickReads]

@ReverendRV seems like a lovely chap, so far as I’ve read. It’s nice to read from a Calvinist who admits to being one.


Whereas God would have not simple pity, but favour upon the Calvinist, wouldn’t he, @ReverendRV.

He has deterministically given those people the rare spiritual blessing of Calvinism, an ability to discern spiritual truths the likes of which most Christians worldwide have never received.

It's about time you showed up. Let's be nice as difficult as it is.

 

[RickReads]

I disagree my friend, I'm a 5-pointer...

Well see about that.

 

[Cormack]

The issue is you equate difficult questions to “vicious attacks,” Rick. So, by that same taken, for me to “be nice” would mean to stop spanking Calvinism so hard. I just don’t see any reason to stop though.

I think you’d be hard pressed to find any examples of me being cruel to a specific poster. Rather I’m tough on ideas, that’s biblical too, destroying stronghold and the like.

 

[RickReads]

The issue is you equate difficult questions to “vicious attacks,” Rick. So, by that same taken, for me to “be nice” would mean to stop spanking Calvinism so hard. I just don’t see any reason to stop though.

I think you’d be hard pressed to find any examples of me being cruel to a specific posters. Rather I’m tough on ideas, that’s biblical too, destroy stronghold and the like.

For an abrasive guy, you are pretty sensitive. Let`s bury the hatchet and have fun. Ok? I`m sorry I offended you.

 

[ReverendRV]

The issue is you equate difficult questions to “vicious attacks,” Rick. So, by that same taken, for me to “be nice” would mean to stop spanking Calvinism so hard. I just don’t see any reason to stop though.

I think you’d be hard pressed to find any examples of me being cruel to a specific poster. Rather I’m tough on ideas, that’s biblical too, destroying stronghold and the like.

What would you like to talk about?

I like to stay on task with one Topic at a time. For instance, if you made a top ten list, I would only talk about one at a time...

 

[ReverendRV]

For an abrasive guy, you are pretty sensitive. Let`s bury the hatchet and have fun. Ok? I`m sorry I offended you.

Awesome! I like the sound of that music...

 

[Cormack]

Whereas God would have not simple pity, but favour upon the Calvinist, wouldn’t he, @ReverendRV.

He has deterministically given those people the rare spiritual blessing of Calvinism, an ability to discern spiritual truths the likes of which most Christians worldwide have never received.
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Responding to that would probably be the easiest thing to write about.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

The issue is you equate difficult questions to “vicious attacks,” Rick. So, by that same taken, for me to “be nice” would mean to stop spanking Calvinism so hard. I just don’t see any reason to stop though.

I think you’d be hard pressed to find any examples of me being cruel to a specific poster. Rather I’m tough on ideas, that’s biblical too, destroying stronghold and the like.

Well that is subjective depending upon ones premise of Arminianism or Calvinism

 

[bmjackson]

The trouble with Calvinism, of which l was one for about ten years, is that history is against it, and Calvinists themselves, mostly do not know much beyond the Reformation. I did not myself till l studied the early years of the church myself.

Reformed theology has more in common with pagan philosophy and religious heresy than with the early years of Christianity. For example, they believed in free will and had to fight against the determinism of Stoicism, Gnosticism and Manacheism sorry for spelling all of which said that man has no free will.

 

[Cormack]

Well that is subjective depending upon ones premise of Arminianism or Calvinism

Or a third option besides those two. I don’t mean that to be contrary, it’s something people should really look into, only Calvinists consistently entertain the fantasy that there are only two theological perspectives out there.

From my perspective Arminians get it wrong in that they concede too much ground to Calvinistic presuppositions, and because of this they affirm human inability (needing their own beliefs about prevenient grace to dig themselves out of the doctrine of inability.)

If you mean my stronghold comment, Rick should agree, if anything I’m partly speaking from his perspective, he’s not a Calvinist, so at his most kind he’d have to say Calvinists are wrong. At least wrong.

That’s not so far as strongholds raised against Christ, my point, still, I don’t think I’m venturing so far from any else’s perspective in that you’re either in the Calvinists camp, or you’re not.

The vast majority of us are not, which begs the question, why not? Why is God withholding this grand spiritual blessing from so many people who might need it.

 

[RickReads]

Please tell him not to come here...

For real...

it will be ok even if he does. You've missed some pretty good Calvin roasts around here.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

it will be ok even if he does. You've missed some pretty good Calvin roasts around here.

He is a staunch Arminian and a nice guy . He is just as dogmatic about his beliefs as most Calvinists.