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What is wrong with Calvinism ?

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Tilled soil is akin to a softened heart, not a regenerated one.
In the scheme of things, what is the difference between a Softened Heart and a Regenerated Heart? The Hard Heart is the Antecedent of both of these descriptions, so isn't it true there is a Native Inability before the Softening or the Regenerating?

You can see I use a method I call 'using Shared beliefs' to make a point. Let's say that a Softened Heart is %50 percent more Able than a Hard Heart which hasn't been Softened by God; and let's say that a Regenerated Heart is %100 more Able than a Hard Heart. Isn't it true that both of these differences, despite their degrees of difference to each other, mean that while the Heart is Hard (like Pharaoh's); people with Hard Hearts are Totally Unable to Believe?
 
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The inspired scriptures cannot be more sovereign, the Holy Spirit inspired the writer and knows what is the word of God, being 1 of the 3 of the Godhead. I showed you the seed is the word, it is the power of God unto salvation to all who believe it. John 6:63 from as few different translations:

KJ21
It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
ASV
It is the spirit that giveth life; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I have spoken unto you are spirit, and are life.
AMP
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh conveys no benefit [it is of no account]. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life [providing eternal life].
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It is the Spirit Who gives life [He is the Life-giver]; the flesh conveys no benefit whatever [there is no profit in it]. The words (truths) that I have been speaking to you are spirit and life.
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It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are Spirit, and they are life.
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The Spirit is the one who gives life. The flesh doesn’t help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.
CEB
The Spirit is the one who gives life and the flesh doesn’t help at all. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
CJB
It is the Spirit who gives life, the flesh is no help. The words I have spoken to you are Spirit and life,
 
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Regeneration requires the Holy Spirit to enter your body. Softening of the heart is done without. Jesus at the door requiring you to make a decision.

Regeneration is supper with Jesus.
 
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Regeneration requires the Holy Spirit to enter your body. Softening of the heart is done without. Jesus at the door requiring you to make a decision.

Regeneration is supper with Jesus.
I'll drop this for now. This doesn't sound right to me...
 
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The inspired scriptures cannot be more sovereign, the Holy Spirit inspired the writer and knows what is the word of God, being 1 of the 3 of the Godhead. I showed you the seed is the word, it is the power of God unto salvation to all who believe it.
The power of God only to those who believe it (it was not the power of God to my brother). . .and believing it is the result of being born again, for one cannot even see (much less believe in) the Kingdom of God without the rebirth by the Holy Spirit (John 3:3-8; 1 Corinthians 2:14;
Romans 8:7-8).
 
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I'll drop this for now. This doesn't sound right to me...

Ok, maybe you are a Calvinist.

Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

You have to open the door for Jesus before He will feed you.
 
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You used the term convulsion which is used in the Gospels as being associated with demon possession. Quite offensive
Apologies, no offense intended.
 
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You are interpreting so many verses without considering context

Consider how verses can be taken out of context:

ACTS 16:31 where Peter said to the prison guard: “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.
Does this means that parents can pray for their children, and in turn they will be saved? The answer is No. But those who read words only and ignore the rest of the Scripture will insist it can be done.

John 3:16: For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
It didn't say you have to repent and confess sins to Jesus to be saved. So does it mean that believing is Jesus' existence is sufficient? The answer is No. In the context of the bible, one has to repent and confess sins.

If God had chose which individuals to believe in Him, then surely Jesus or the apostles in their writing would have said so clearly. Instead, Jesus and apostles say "You must repent".

Revelation 3:20. Jesus said, " I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me” Did it say "God cause you to open the door" ?
 
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I would like for you to consider your words: The power of God only to those who believe it-----how the power for conversion happen if they did not believe it? Romans 10:17 Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. You said: For one cannot even see (much less believe in) the Kingdom of God without the rebirth by the Holy Spirit.

Then tell me what this passage in context is saying: Acts 16:25 But at midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the prisoners were listening to them. 26 Suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken; and immediately all the doors were opened and everyone’s chains were loosed. 27 And the keeper of the prison, awaking from sleep and seeing the prison doors open, supposing the prisoners had fled, drew his sword and was about to kill himself. 28 But Paul called with a loud voice, saying, “Do yourself no harm, for we are all here.”

29 Then he called for a light, ran in, and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas. 30 And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” Question: How could the jailer have ask this question to Paul about being saved were he not being drawn to believe in the Lord, unless the word of God was convicting him of his sin and need for a Savior; plus the fact Paul stated nothing of what you said must happen first, but said this:

31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized. 34 Now when he had brought them into his house, he set food before them; and he rejoiced, having believed in God with all his household.

Having read this, does it not make you reconsider what you said: "and believing it is the result of being born again, for one cannot even see (much less believe in) the Kingdom of God without the rebirth by the Holy Spirit". Were this true, would Paul have told him what he said in v31 through v34 about how to be saved?
 
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I would say there is a Temporal Order of Salvation, and a Logical Order of Salvation. In the Temporal Order, all aspects required for Justification happen simultaneously; as in we cannot tell which came first. In the Logical Order, the Bible tells us what the Order of Salvation is from God's perspective. God's perspective is that no one can come to him unless he himself Draws them...

I have a saying; "For every Verse which says we CAN come to God, his prevening Grace must be presumed to have already appeared and made a 'real' difference in our Salvation before we Believe". All Christians believe Grace comes first... @Clare73
 
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I would like for you to consider your words:
I can do that.
The power of God only to those who believe it-----how the power for conversion happen if they did not believe it?
John 3:8-7 explains how spiritual rebirth happens. . .a completely sovereign act of God.
And until that happens, no one believes the word of God, as my brother did not, because he was not reborn.
Romans 10:17 Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
Which does not preclude the necessity of rebirth before the faith that comes by hearing can take place.
You said: For one cannot even see (much less believe in) the Kingdom of God without the rebirth by the Holy Spirit.
Actually, Jesus was the one who said that in John 3:3, it was not me.
If I had to locate the time of the jailer's rebirth, I would locate it with that earthquake by the power of God, which power at the same time operated in his spirit, "shivering his timbers."
It was a reborn jailer who, according to v.30 would have been listening to Paul and Silas along with the prisoners before he finally fell asleep, and who fell down trembling before Paul and Silas.
30 And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
Question: How could the jailer have ask this question to Paul about being saved
were he not being drawn to believe in the Lord,
This was no "drawing" to believe in the Lord, this was conviction, certainty and fear beyond doubt, which only the Holy Spirit can give, that he was in desperate need of saving to avoid dire peril.
Well, actually, I see it more as an example of what I am saying.
Were this true, would Paul have told him what he said in v31 through v34 about how to be saved?
No one had to tell Paul, after himself being knocked off his own horse by the power of God in his rebirth and conversion, what was going on with the jailer.
Paul knew the jailer would not have even been asking the question had not the power of God in rebirth mightily convicted him to do so.
 
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Did you speak in tongues when you were born again ?
 
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To be honest with you but not meaning to be disrespectful most of your answer seem to simply states what you believe; like when you said: If I had to locate the time of the jailer's rebirth, I would locate it with that earthquake by the power of God, which power at the same time operated in his spirit, "shivering his timbers." That is not what the scripture actually said though, is it? I posted what the verses actually said, and when we get to the split in road, so to speak, I will go my way and you take your way. And when passing from this life to the heavenly home, we may meet there some day.
 
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Ditto
 
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Did you speak in tongues when you were born again ?
Do we find that phenomenon throughout the NT at rebirth, or only in the beginning as a witness to the gospel?

No, I did not, and still do not.
 
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