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The NT presents it as imputed guilt (Romans 5:12-18).One more time: What you are saying is true but what I am saying is for all this renewal and regeneration to be a renewal and regeneration indicates at some point in the past we had these attributes and lost them along the road of life. This is for me, more evidence
the doctrine of original sin (Calvinism) is a false doctrine.
One more time: What you are saying is true but what I am saying is for all this renewal and regeneration to be a renewal and regeneration indicates at some point in the past we had these attributes and lost them along the road of life. This is for me, more evidence the doctrine of original sin (Calvinism) is a false doctrine.
I understand, and thanks. . .but human reasoning does not trump the divine revelation of the Scriptures in Matthew 19:16-21, which you do not address.
Mankind possessed them in the Garden until the head and progenitor of mankind trashed and lost them, preferring the creature over the Creator.One more time: What you are saying is true but what I am saying is for all this renewal and regeneration to be a renewal and regeneration indicates at some point in the past we had these attributes and lost them along the road of life. This is for me, more evidence the doctrine of original sin (Calvinism) is a false doctrine.
It being an example of Jesus teaching under the old covenant because the new covenant, based on faith in his blood (Romans 3:25), could not be revealed before that blood was shed in sacrifice seems pretty obvious.I don't know that the passage is relevant to the discussion.
According to NT apostolic teaching, the unregenerate heart, which is "without Holy Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for he cannot understand them, and they are foolishness to him," (1 Corinthians 2:14) and he wants no part of foolishness.
There is no seeding of an unregenerate heart because it has no Holy Spirit, which is what the parable shows.
It being an example of Jesus teaching under the old covenant because the new covenant, based on faith in his blood (Romans 3:25), could not be revealed before that blood was shed in sacrifice seems pretty obvious.
You used the term convulsion which is used in the Gospels as being associated with demon possession. Quite offensiveI have seen some very physical expressions of faith where people were "slain" in the spirit and hit the floor. People running around the church and all kinds of hysterics. It's a way people express their faith and there is nothing wrong with that. It's just not my style. I'm more into somber prayer/meditation/reflection which many people find boring and not truly expressive of the joy they feel in Christ.
That's why I say to each his own.
The only way that anyone is ever saved, by sovereign regeneration of the Holy Spirit:Just a question about your statement: there is no seeding of an unregenerate heart because it has no Holy Spirit, if that were true how could anyone every be saved?
You used the term convulsion which is used in the Gospels as being associated with demon possession. Quite offensive
Sure I do, the Parable of the Soils and Christ's explanation there of...You got no scripture on that.
Temporally speaking, Regeneration and Faith occur at the same time. Logically speaking, the Soil needs to be Tilled by the Farmer before the Seed is Sown; to grow a Crop of 30, 60 or 100 Fold...I`ll show it to you again in yet another way. You should feel special because I usually won't work this hard anymore.
Ephesians 6:17 tells us that the word of God is the sword of the Holy Spirit. So we know that the word is the weapon the Holy Spirit will use to make sinners surrender.
This is in keeping with the saying of Jesus "My sheep know my voice"
We see a Biblical example in Acts 2 (home of Acts 2:38 ),
First they are confounded that is to say they are confused. The natural man does not understand the gospel and is unable to understand what is going on. Acts 2:6
Then they are amazed that is to say they are deeply stirred in their hearts. Acts 2:7
Then they are in doubt which means they are perplexed and confused. Shows yet again they are the natural man. Acts 2:12
Next, the word which was spoken to them by the man acting as an ambassador for Jesus pricks them in their heart. The sword has cut. Acts 2:37
Regeneration takes place after all this has occurred. Acts 2:38
The one NT gospel of Jesus Christ is called the "gospel of the Kingdom" as well as 13 other appellations in the NT.Matthew Mark and Jesus called it the gospel of the Kingdom. That has already been discussed.
The one NT gospel of Jesus Christ is called the "gospel of the Kingdom" as well as 13 other appellations in the NT.
That does not make it 14 gospels, that does not make it even two gospels. . .it's all one and the same gospel.
The apostle makes clear there is only one gospel, and that any addition or subtraction from it whatsoever makes it a false gospel, and makes anyone preaching it anathema; i.e., condemned (Galatians 1:6-9).
Sobering words, for sure.
He who has ears to hear, let him hear.
Amen...The good soil isn't regenerated, it's only been prepped for seed.
Temporally speaking, Regeneration and Faith occur at the same time. Logically speaking, the Soil needs to be Tilled by the Farmer before the Seed is Sown; to grow a Crop of 30, 60 or 100 Fold...
How are you doing?
The one NT gospel of Jesus Christ is called the "gospel of the Kingdom" as well as 13 other appellations in the NT.
That does not make it 14 gospels, that does not make it even two gospels, nor does it make it "one gospel in two parts" . .that makes it all one and the same gospel.
The apostle makes abundantly clear there is only one gospel, and that any addition to, subtraction from or dividing of it whatsoever makes it a false gospel, and makes anyone
preaching such anathema; i.e., condemned (Galatians 1:6-9).
Sobering words, for sure.
"He who has ears to hear, let him hear."
Or you are entertaining the idea of a false gospel with two separate parts, about whichYou are railing against a strawman.
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