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What is wrong with Calvinism ?

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The renewal is a renewing of the regeneration. It is the Holy Spirit in us that gets renewed and renewing occurs post salvation.
I disagree with you friend, what you said would be Redundant; IE a Tautology. The Renewal is also Regeneration? I think the Verse draws a Distinction; why wouldn't the Verse say we are Saved by the Washing of Regeneration and the Renewal of Regeneration, if that's what it means?

Titus 3:5 NIV; he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,

The distinction is drawn. The Renewal is the New Birth; IE becoming the New Creature. This comes after the Washing of Regeneration; all in the Twinkling of an eye...

Temporally speaking...
 
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I have to disagree with you. Titus gives us the Logical Order. I would say that any Verse you can Post for your side, speaks of the Temporal Order. I think I will Hunker Down on the Logical and Temporal Orders for a while...

Wouldn't you agree that Ephesians 1:13 is speaking of the Temporal Order? Sure, you could say it also speaks of the Logical Order; but for now I'm sure you agree with me that it is the Temporal Order of things. When other Verses exist that also describe the Order but in opposition, this is when we need to start weighing them out as Categories between the Logical and Temporal Order of things...
 
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Just curious, if I could ask you if what you say here that the penalty is for the guilt of Adam and we are all condemned to what? Death or going into everlasting torment ?
Condemnation in the NT is to spiritual perdition; i.e., eternal death.
 
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You've convinced me!

So all are sinners except the born again who are saints.

Any objections, anyone?
 
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No reply, could not find where to delete this, so: I will do what Adrion Rogers once say, when you lay an egg, step back and admire it, and move on, I am moving on.
You can't delete it, all you can do is erase it and leave something in its place.
 
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Paul said, "in my flesh", he did not include his spirit, something to contemplate don't you think? I see almost no differentiating between fleshly man and spiritual man around here.
Do you mean in theology or practice?
Ga 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
 
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Yes, he saves in remitting, by faith in and trust on Jesus and his atoning sacrifice (blood, Romans 3:25), their sin which Jesus paid for.
 
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"And all that were appointed to eternal life believed." Acts 13:48, in response to the preaching of Paul and Barnabas. See John 8:47.

They were ordained/appointed before they believed.
 
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Paul said, "I die daily." and he was talking about dying out to self on a daily basis. We need to be renewed in Jesus Christ every day if we are to live out Romans 8. it's a wonderful thing that we can have but we cant do that on our own.
 
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"And all that were appointed to eternal life believed." Acts 13:48, in response to the preaching of Paul and Barnabas. See John 8:47.

They were ordained/appointed before they believed.

Predestined yes. Presaved no.
 
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Clare this is what I am getting from your post:
Is that all is needed is Scripture?
Why I said what I said (without reason):
Hermeneutics has been around since written material as it is grammar, context, application...
Thanks.

But I am speaking of the modern hermeneutics used today, originating in the 19th and 20th centuries,
developed for human literature, which the divine literature of the word of God got along very well without for 19-20 centuries, and which has limited applicability to the meaning of the Biblical text.
The "responsibility placed upon man" is not executed by modern hermeneutics, but by the whole counsel of God interpreting itself in its own light.

The mechanics of modern hermeneutics developed for human literature has no divine light to bring to the word of God written, which has its own hermeneutic-- the whole divine counsel of God.
 
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True, John 14:15 if you love Me keep My commandments; 21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.” Of course, you know there are many more; we can overcome yielding to the flesh and should for the remainder of our lives; but will never reach our goal of never yielding to the flesh, that is until we reach our heavenly home with the Lord. And I as typed these last few words I had a thought that I had never contemplated, when the saints are reigning with the Lord in the 1000 years it would seem that we will not sin then because we have a new body, just off the top of my head, I would think not,what say you?
 
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when the saints are reigning with the Lord in the 1000 years it would seem that we will not sin then because we have a new body, just off the top of my head, I would think not,
what say you?
I say that is a personal interpretation of a prophetic riddle, subject to more than one interpretation, and which personal interpretation is in disagareement with NT apostolic teaching that the saints are reigning with the Lord now (Ephesians 1:20-23, Ephesians 2:6) and, therefore, is an incorrect interpretation.
 
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Maybe so, actually I do not believe there is a text that would cover the thought that I expressed, at least I cannot think of it. thanks for your input.
 
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My point is that renewal in the Holy Spirit can only occur after regeneration/salvation/circumcision of heart/baptism in the holy spirit/Jesus through the door.
That is not what I asked, read it again, please.
 
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The order is a Calvinist thing . Belief in the gospel always precedes the new birth . One believes the gospel first and regeneration, salvation follow the faith and repentance of the person trust-in in Christ as per Romans 10:9-15 and John 1:12-13.
 
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"And all that were appointed to eternal life believed." Acts 13:48, in response to the preaching of Paul and Barnabas. See John 8:47.

They were ordained/appointed before they believed.
They were ordained/appointed before they believed. This is what I question, I Acts 48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed. All this is saying is that these many believe what Paul and Barnabas had said, therefore, they were born again. Because that is what is taught in many places of the word of God, like Acts 16:31 Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. Is this your same point? My old mind was confused with your point, if it is the same as mine, forgive me and I will give you like on your post.
 
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In the text, didn't the appointment to eternal life occur before they believed?

All who had been appointed (prior) believed (currently).
 
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