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Irresistible Grace Trespasses against the Fallen Will of the Lost; this is why it is Irresistible. Arminian Prevenient Grace does the same. In both cases, because of our Total Depravity; Grace is NEVER invited. Irresistible Grace doesn't mean we have to choose Jesus; all it means is that we are now Spiritually Alive. We choose Jesus because we are Spiritually Alive; not because of the strong-arm of Grace...
Fair enough...So how do I exclude the faith in that gospel that is required for the gospel to save?
The gospel didn't save my brother.
Don't forget. . .everyone is born condemned (Romans 5:18).You cant unbelieve in something you never knew existed.
The unbelief penalty is only for those who find out about Jesus and reject Him.
Don't forget. . .everyone is born condemned (Romans 5:18).
The penalty is not for unbelief.
The penalty is for the guilt of Adam imputed to everyone (Romans 5:18).
Belief is how you avoid the penalty.
No belief. . .the penalty gets applied.
I disagree that is Calvinism. Do you have a Source which says Calvinism teaches that Regeneration is Justification before Belief in the Truth? I know you don't like to use resources, but I would need one to believe THAT is Calvinism...The Calvinist position is that actual regeneration takes place at this stage which from a Biblical standpoint would be receiving actual salvation prior to hearing the gospel.
You lost me. . .Fair enough...
I would say the Gospel did Save me. As a Calvinist, I hold to the 5-Solas; one of which is Sola Scriptura. This means I HAVE to believe 1st Corithinthians 15:2...
I disagree that is Calvinism. Do you have a Source which says Calvinism teaches that Regeneration is Justification? I know you don't like to use resources, but I would need one for that...
I mean that because of Sola Scriptura, I have to believe every Verse of Scripture Prima Facie...You lost me. . .
". . .if you hold firmly,"
If you don't hold firmly, if you fall away (apostasize), you "have believed in vain."
If you apostasize, you are not saved from the condemnation in which you are born, right?
That means belief, faith is required . . .right?
DittoThe problem with Calvinism can be summed up in one word "determination".
Divine meticulous determination of all things. The Calvinist idea of how God's sovereignty must work out itself. As such it is exalted above his Love, exalted above his mercy, exalted above his holiness and justice
I would say i AM a Calvinist because I hold to the 5-Points and the 5-SolasIt's part of the doctrine, I`ve read it and the local Calvins believe it. I`m not a Calvin head hunter so I don't have it saved.
Your disagreement is further proof you aren't a Calvinist If I can talk myself into it I may go find a source for you but you could do it as easy as I. I`m more interested in what you do believe happens. Tell me how it all begins.
You know your church historyOk. Augustine was responsible for bringing it in the church. Previous to him free will was uniformly held with only Gnostics and Manicheans advancing it
Does prima facie include the whole verse, or just part of it?I mean I have to believe every Verse of Scripture Prima Facie...
Sorry...Does prima facie include the whole verse, or just part of it?
You don't have to believe the conditions stated in the verse?
I'm confused.
Thanks, but I mean a Reformed resource that says Regeneration is Salvation before Faith...
I would say i AM a Calvinist because I hold to the 5-Points and the 5-Solas
Thanks, but I mean a Reformed resource that says Regeneration is Salvation before Faith...
Believe me, I don't wanna get on your nerves asking for a resource. I appreciate your contributions...
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