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Featured what is truth?

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by prosperity4all, Oct 20, 2019.

  1. prosperity4all

    prosperity4all New Member

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    what is truth?
     
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  2. eleos1954

    eleos1954 God is Love Supporter

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    a fact or belief that is accepted as true.
     
  3. packermann

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    Truth is not a thing, but a Person. Truth is Jesus Christ.

    Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
    John 14:6

    Jesus is not a truth. He is the truth. All truth stems from Jesus. That is why we Christians are called to be lovers of truth (1 Thessalonians 2:10). When we touch any truth we touch Jesus. When we embrace a lie we are turning away from Him.

    That means the the first step to find truth is humility before God (Jesus). Smarts does not guarantee knowledge of any truth, whether it be scientific, historical, mathematical, or any other truth. A good lawyer can get an innocent man off. A clever lawyer can get a guilty man off. The smart man can make a lie look like the truth. But his pride prevents him from looking at the possibility that he is wrong. Only God can humble a proud man. All the proud man can do is humbly plead to God, at least as humbly as he can, and perhaps God will have mercy on him so that he can find the truth.
     
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  4. devin553344

    devin553344 I believe in the Resurrection

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    Truth is reality, and is not delusion or superstition.
     
  5. packermann

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    Atheists would say that the resurrection of Christ is a delusion or a superstition. They would also say that faith is a delusion or superstition.

    So I guess if this is all a delusion and a superstition, then we might as well stop going to church, get off this forum, and watch some football this Sunday. Right?
     
  6. public hermit

    public hermit Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Truth is the way things, in fact, are. As mentioned above: reality.
     
  7. packermann

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    If someone asks "What is reality?", could not someone say "Reality is what true about things"? So, then truth is reality and reality is truth. That is not saying anything, really. You might as well say "truth is truth".

    I think, although I may be wrong, that when someone asks "What is truth?" they are asking for more than that. They are asking how do we determine what is true. How do we know what is the true religion? Or if any is true? How do we know what we know is true? To say that truth is the way things are still does not answer that.
     
  8. public hermit

    public hermit Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The question was, "What is truth?" You say my response is a tautology. Most definitions, if they are accurate, are tautologies. A definition is simply another way to say the same thing.

    If the OP had asked the other questions you bring up, I might have tried to offer an answer to those. As things stand, I offered an answer to the question that was asked.

    Why are you taking me to task on this?
     
  9. devin553344

    devin553344 I believe in the Resurrection

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    No I can't. God has visited me in vision of Heavenly Father and filled me with Love and Peace that lasted for hours. A super contrast to what I usually feel. So I know he exists. But yeah they would probably say it was a delusion.
     
  10. packermann

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    So how do you know it was not a delusion? What if a Mormon had the same experience? What if a Catholic had a similar experience? I, myself, has had a feeling of Love and Peace that lasted me for hours when I received Christ in the Eucharist. And yet our belief systems are poles apart. So can both of our experiences validate contradictory belief systems?

    I think there is a great danger to base your faith on feelings, or even on some vision. These things can go up and down. We would be wrong to think that the lack of feelings indicate that God is displeased with us and great feelings that God is pleased with us. Satan can masquerade as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14). He has led many astray by giving them good feelings or a vision. There must be more than feelings to base our faith on.
     
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  11. devin553344

    devin553344 I believe in the Resurrection

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    I believe the eye witness accounts of the bible. I treat the bible as a history book. To say it is delusional when it is eye witness accounts might be considered delusional itself. And that bible spells out the fruits of the Holy Spirit, particularly Love and Peace :Galatians 5:22-23.
     
  12. packermann

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    I am sorry.
     
  13. R.J. Aldridge

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    On the physical side of things, one might say that truth is that which corresponds to reality. On the spiritual side of things, biblically speaking, truth is centered on and personified in the person of Jesus. I believe there is a way to reconcile the physical and the spiritual approaches to the question of truth.

    Physically speaking, 2+2=4 is a true statement because when I have 2 objects and I add them to 2 additional objects, together they are 4 objects. The question is, what is true? the objects? the statement about the objects? or is truth the marriage between the statement and the objects? I believe the third option because a statement on its own is neither true or false unless it corresponds with that which it describes. Likewise, an object cannot be true or false unless it corresponds with its own description.

    The reason I went through this explanation is because there is indeed a correlation to the spiritual conception of truth. Because Jesus refers to Himself as the truth, we can ask, is Jesus the marriage/correspondence between the statement and the physical world itself? Based upon the gospel of John, Jesus is called the "Word of God." Also, Isaiah 55:11 states, "so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it." Based upon this information, the word of God(the statement), is sent out like a person in order to accomplish its purpose in the world(the physical), and it will succeed. In other words, God speaks, and Jesus, who is Gods word, makes what God says a physical reality because He is the marriage between the statement and the object, i.e. the "word made flesh."

    Whether you answer the question from a physical or a spiritual perspective, there is a correspondence between the two answers. Therefore, I suggest that the question, what is truth, can only be answered through a merge of the physical and spiritual aspects of reality.
     
  14. Ahermit

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    Eternal reality.
     
  15. SPF

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    There is a very simple, working definition of Truth: That which corresponds to reality.
     
  16. Ahermit

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    Which reality?
     
  17. ooQQoo

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    Jesus obtained the truth from His Father.

    If this is true then would it not make your hypothesize not true?
     
  18. ooQQoo

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    This is incorrect.
     
  19. ooQQoo

    ooQQoo New Member

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    This is partial true and partially incorrect.
     
  20. ooQQoo

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    No, this is incorrect.
     
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