What is the truth I should believe?

[Cribstyl]

Christianity appears to have devisions based on understanding what God requires of people.

In effort to understand the crossroads lets bring some truth to the table.

#1.What New Testament texts are used to promote Sabbathkeeping among christians? please post text.




thank you

CRIB

 

[StormyOne]

so your initial question assumes that sabbath-keeping is a "truth?" Can we unpack what you mean when you ask, "what is the truth I should believe?" Believe for what? Believe why? Truth relative to what? Those are some questions you could answer so I can get an idea where you are coming from with the question.... thanks...

 

[Adventtruth]

so your initial question assumes that sabbath-keeping is a "truth?" Can we unpack what you mean when you ask, "what is the truth I should believe?" Believe for what? Believe why? Truth relative to what? Those are some questions you could answer so I can get an idea where you are coming from with the question.... thanks...

I think the better question should be...if you are a christian and hold a biblical world view, is that biblical world view founded upon the bible being the final authority for that view, or do you hold to a secular world view basing your views not on faith alone but on/also human reasoning out side of the bible. Are there absolutes...is truth relative to your reasonings and tolerence?


AT

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Christianity appears to have devisions based on understanding what God requires of people.

In effort to understand the crossroads lets bring some truth to the table.

#1.What New Testament texts are used to promote Sabbathkeeping among christians? please post text.

Can I try stating your question a bit differently?

Q: Are there any Scriptures whatsoever (i.e. in either the Old or the New Testaments) in which God commands ALL GENTILES to set aside the seventh day for the purpose of rest? If so, please cite that text.
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You probably have not yet received a response because there is no response that can be made.

BFA

 

[mva1985]

So "Gentiles" do not have to keep the Ten Commandments?

 

[Byfaithalone1]

So "Gentiles" do not have to keep the Ten Commandments?

Please cite the specific text in which God commands ALL GENTILES to keep the Fourth Commandment. And, when you do, it is THEN that I will believe that the Gentiles are bound to the Fourth Commandment. Until then, I will believe the following:

“Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.” Romans 10:1-4

“If a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe. Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.” Galatians 3

“For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.” Rom. 7:5-6

“It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.” Galatians 5:1“For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.” Rom. 7:5-6
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At this juncture, I can imagine you asking whether I believe that murder is wrong. If you do, I will be happy to answer that question. However, before I do, I want to give you every opportunity to demonstrate from Scripture that God commanded ALL GENTILES to keep the Fourth Commandment. I'm hoping you will be responsive on that point.

BFA

 

[Adventtruth]

So "Gentiles" do not have to keep the Ten Commandments?

Kindly supply the passages that say they do.

AT

 

[Cribstyl]

so your initial question assumes that sabbath-keeping is a "truth?" Can we unpack what you mean when you ask, "what is the truth I should believe?" Believe for what? Believe why? Truth relative to what? Those are some questions you could answer so I can get an idea where you are coming from with the question.... thanks...

"What is the truth I should believe?" is raised as a topical statement because some questions and answers may not aticulate what is written in the bible. If someone choose to dialog on that question, that's OK too.

With the premise that God's word contains all the doctrines of Christianity we should be able to find and present from the scriptures, what God requires of us.

The question labeled #1 is the first direct question of this thread.


CRIB

 

[Byfaithalone1]

The question labeled #1 is the first direct question of this thread . . . .

. . . with no direct answers (to date).

BFA

 

[Adventtruth]

"What is the truth I should believe?" is raised as a topical statement because some questions and answers may not aticulate what is written in the bible. If someone choose to dialog on that question, that's OK too.

With the premise that God's word contains all the doctrines of Christianity we should be able to find and present from the scriptures, what God requires of us.

The question labeled #1 is the first direct question of this thread.


CRIB

I think your argument goes against what Stormy believes...if I am wrong Stormy kindly correct me, but per past conversations , Stormy does not trust that the bible is all the written word of God.


AT

 

[Adventtruth]

"What is the truth I should believe?" is raised as a topical statement because some questions and answers may not aticulate what is written in the bible. If someone choose to dialog on that question, that's OK too.

With the premise that God's word contains all the doctrines of Christianity we should be able to find and present from the scriptures, what God requires of us.

The question labeled #1 is the first direct question of this thread.CRIB

and this goes back to the begining of the argument...not all of us believe the bible is the foundation of absolute truth.

AT

 

[mva1985]

I've seen the words of Christ used to support this, and seen them rationalized away, and I assume that you will do the same.

I can already see where you are going.

Feel free to believe what you will - it is not my job to convince you.

Please cite the specific text in which God commands ALL GENTILES to keep the Fourth Commandment. And, when you do, it is THEN that I will believe that the Gentiles are bound to the Fourth Commandment. Until then, I will believe the following:

“Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.” Romans 10:1-4

“If a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe. Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.” Galatians 3

“For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.” Rom. 7:5-6

“It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.” Galatians 5:1“For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.” Rom. 7:5-6
​

At this juncture, I can imagine you asking whether I believe that murder is wrong. If you do, I will be happy to answer that question. However, before I do, I want to give you every opportunity to demonstrate from Scripture that God commanded ALL GENTILES to keep the Fourth Commandment. I'm hoping you will be responsive on that point.

BFA

 

[mva1985]

The truth that has been delivered to you in the Bible.

Keep studying.

 

[Adventtruth]

I've seen the words of Christ used to support this, and seen them rationalized away, and I assume that you will do the same.

I can already see where you are going.

Feel free to believe what you will - it is not my job to convince you.

And yet you have not presented them as your source of authority for what you believe. Come, let us reason if these things be truth or not according to the context.

AT

 

[Adventtruth]

The truth that has been delivered to you in the Bible.

Keep studying.

And what truth is this?


AT

 

[Cribstyl]

I think your argument goes against what Stormy believes...if I am wrong Stormy kindly correct me, but per past conversations , Stormy does not trust that the bible is all the written word of God.


AT

Yea AT, I know that Stormy dont trust the bible, but to most prostestant Christians the contrary is true.


Mva says;

The truth that has been delivered to you in the Bible.

Keep studying.

My question is where is it written so we can consider it in context?

Christains are suppose to present God's truth to whoever asks.1Pe 3:15But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and [be] ready always to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

CRIB

 

[Byfaithalone1]

I've seen the words of Christ used to support this, and seen them rationalized away, and I assume that you will do the same.

I can already see where you are going.

Feel free to believe what you will - it is not my job to convince you.

SDAism teaches that the sabbath will one day be the basis upon which the seal of God and the mark of the beast are applied. If you have truth that relates to my future salvation, shouldn't you share that truth?

If there was any evidence whatsoever that God had ever--throughout all of Earth's history--commanded Gentiles as an entire community to set aside the seventh day as a special time of rest, I'm sure that you or one of your peers would have cited that evidence. I'm sure that you have too much love for non-SDAs to keep that information to yourselves.

It is very telling that we've never seen such evidence presented here.

BFA

 

[mva1985]

SDAism teaches that the sabbath will one day be the basis upon which the seal of God and the mark of the beast are applied. If you have truth that relates to my future salvation, shouldn't you share that truth?

If there was any evidence whatsoever that God had ever--throughout all of Earth's history--commanded Gentiles as an entire community to set aside the seventh day as a special time of rest, I'm sure that you or one of your peers would have cited that evidence. I'm sure that you have too much love for non-SDAs to keep that information to yourselves.

It is very telling that we've never seen such evidence presented here.

BFA

There have been many discussions here about the Sabbath. It would not be hard to find. I will offer this though:
http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=6821980


Nice try with the mind game - but I won't fall for it.

 

[Cribstyl]

There have been many discussions here about the Sabbath. It would not be hard to find. I will offer this though:
http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=6821980


Nice try with the mind game - but I won't fall for it.

I had forgotten why I never get my questions answered until now.
The mind games is played by those whose answers are not available unless they can find a way to add what is reasoned to what is written.

I guess if I study long enough Gen 2:1-3 will say more than is written.

You cannot present that Adam and Eve was given a sabbath rest with text that says that God rested on the seventh day of creation. Gen 2:1-3 does not support the giving of sabbath to humanity.

Rather than accepting the word as truth, some SDA get angry because their truths are not found in the bible.



I still love you all and I am praying for you all to chose the gospel as the only and true commission from Jesus that His church must preach to the world.



CRIB

 

[StormyOne]

I had forgotten why I never get my questions answered until now.
The mind games is played by those whose answers are not available unless they can find a way to add what is reasoned to what is written.

I guess if I study long enough Gen 2:1-3 will say more than is written.

You cannot present that Adam and Eve was given a sabbath rest with text that says that God rested on the seventh day of creation. Gen 2:1-3 does not support the giving of sabbath to humanity.

Rather than accepting the word as truth, some SDA get angry because their truths are not found in the bible.



I still love you all and I am praying for you all to chose the gospel as the only and true commission from Jesus that His church must preach to the world.



CRIB

well Crib, I did not answer you question cause I don't accept your initial premise.... likewise, I have never suggested that God instructed Adam and Eve to observe sabbath..... having said that, when you say "chose the gospel" how are you defining "gospel?"