What Is The Truth About God?

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...What Is God Like? ...

Bible says about God:

God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
John 4:24

He who doesn't love doesn't know God, for God is love.
1 John 4:8

 

[Ron Gurley]

OP: aka Q: "...What Is The (Biblical) Truth About (the TRI-UNE) God?..."

Q1. Does he really care about you?
A1: YES! John 3 as explained in Ephesians 2

Q2: What Is God "Like"?
A2: SEE BELOW!

Q3: Does he have a name?
A3: SEE BELOW!

Q4: Is it possible to get (SPIRITUALLY) close to God?
A4: YES

Hebrews 7:25
Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

James 4:8
Draw near to God and He will draw near to you.

*A2

These are the NAMES/TITLES of "GOD" mainly in the OT of the Bible which refect His "meaning" and nature.

A. Jehovah = ~YHWH = YahWeh ~" I AM WHO I AM " = "I AM" = ~LORD = ~GOD = Self Existent (e.g. Exodus 3:14; John 8:58; Hebrews 1:8)

B. Elohim = plural name: majestic and strong = (e.g. Genesis 1:26...Then God said, "Let US make man in OUR image, in OUR likeness..."

C. Adonai = ~LORD (all caps) = ~Master = (e.g. Gen 2:4 ...the LORD God made the earth and the heavens; John 13:13 "You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and rightly so, for that is what I am; Matthew 22:44 " 'The LORD said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet."

D. "El" = ~GOD = Compound names, showing characteristics
1. El Elyon = most high = strongest
2. El Roi = strong see-er
3. El Shaddai = Almighty God
4. El Olam = Everlasting God

E. "Jehovah (J.) " = ~GOD = Compound names, showing characteristics
1. J. Jireh = LORD will provide
2. J. Nissi = LORD my banner
3. J. Shalom = LORD is peace
4. J. Sabbaoth = LORD of hosts
5. J. Maccaddeshcem = LORD your sanctifier
6. J. Raah = LORD my shepherd
7. J. Tsidkenu = LORD our righteousness
8. J. El Gmolah = LORD GOD of recompense
9. J. Nakeh = LORD who smites
10.J. Shammah = LORD who is present

A3:

Here is "GOD" of the Bible and spirit-led writings which refect His "meaning" and nature and SPIRITUAL essence and character and attributes.

1. Existent (Spirit Being)

2. Unified (not in different parts)

3. Simple...Holy...Righteous...perfectly Good...pure

4. Infinite (no Beginning, no End)

5. Eternal (beyond limits of time and space)

6. Unchanging and unchangeable CHARACTER (immutable)

7. All Present (spiritually everywhere and available)...omnipresent

8. All Sovereign (rules over/in complete control of {as He directs all things vs. all}

9. All Knowing (Omniscience...perfect wisdom)

10.All powerful (Omnipotence...God Almighty)

11.Perfectly JUST (fairness in His JUDGMENT of ALL SPIRITS)

12.Perfectly LOVING / Merciful (God IS Love; undeserved help for the afflicted)

13.Perfectly TRUE / Truthful (always truth-telling, inerrant)

14.Perfectly FREE (from sin and unrestricted power

15.Perfectly Separate (to mark off from others by boundaries)

By spiritually discerning Scripture, three spiritual Persons...a TRI-UNE GOD... a Godhead...were revealed.
Each had different NAMES, titles, roles, ranks, functions, etc.
Yet there was ONE "GOD" unified in spiritual essence, nature, and pre-existence.
They became known by the early "church" fathers and through spirit-led revelation as:
1. God the Father: associated with NAMES above, Creative Father, Loving Father, "our Father"
2. God the Holy Spirit: named the Spirit of Truth, enpowering and dwelling with the spirit of Man
3. God the Son: Jesus of Nazareth, Divine Messiah, THE Christ, Son of God, Son of Man, ETC with a DUAL NATURE:
1. True perfect and sinless Man / New Adam...flesh of Man
2. True Diety sent down from heaven to save Man

 

[Drifter Kybe Scythe Kane]

Does he really care about you? What Is God Like? Does he have a name? Is it possible to get close to God? How would you answer these questions? Let's start a discussion it will be interesting to say the least!

There are other gods from different cultures which are mean and God is nicer than them in description. God is like peaceful currents in a river or like a righteous comet in the sky. To my understanding he goes by many names in which can be listed. Our understanding of Him is limited but his love for us is limitless so yes, it is possible to get close to God.

 

[RaymondG]

Well, let's go further on the caring issue. Is God Uncaring and Hardhearted? A lot of people think the answer is yes. If God cared, the world would be a different place. We look around and see a world full of war, hatred, and misery. And as individuals , we get sick, we suffer, we lose loved ones in death. Thus, many say, 'If God cared about us and our problems, would he not prevent such things from happening?'

Interesting questions....... I believe that we are in God and in Him we live move and have our being.

Lets look inside our own bodies.......sometimes our cells war against each other. They attack things that come in from the outside and makes us sick......some try to do things from the outside (medicine) to help things.....others let the body do what it wants without trying to stop it.......would you say that one loves His body, or his self, while the other doesnt?

Sometimes our body wars within itself so much that it causes grave illness and kills all the cells and organs in it.....and eventually the whole body.......would you say this is the fault of the person whose body it is? Did the person not care about or love his own organs and cells because they decided to kill everything?

Should we say ok, The person is not at fault, but the individual cells are? The cells were only doing what they felt was best....not know the damage it was doing to the whole body.

Forgive them for they know not what they do..... The actions of the cell, are not related to the love of the person.

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

I did a biblical study on suffering not all that long ago...first from the biblical standpoint.

From the biblical standpoint (cliff note version) sin is the result of man being defiant and sinning. Thus we can look at it as man broke the earth and all that is in it by opening the door for sin to come in. Before that time the earth and all that was in it was not only perfect but without sickness, disease, evil of any kind. So not God's fault...but just because it is not God's fault does not mean He can't fix it, right?

Why doesn't God fix the evil we created...well again cliff note version...so that we realize that He is our answer and in that come to Him so that when it is time He can reconcile or fix what was broken. It just isn't time yet because more need to come so that the new heaven and new earth are filled thus once again perfect.

The truth of the matter is within us, being revealed. Perception/where we are viewing from is key. Jesus said "the kingdom is within you". Paul said "we have the mind of Christ". We measure and divide, perceiving lack, while scripture says He "fills all in all" and that there is nothing that exists that did not come from Him to bring about HIS purpose/plan He purposed in Himself from the beginning.

The journey (of soul) inward is a place no one can go with you...The revelation of Jesus Christ is not observed with the five senses as an over here or over there appearance. Paul said the mystery being revealed "Christ IN YOU, the hope of glory." Paul even believed he already experienced that return/revelation ..."But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me by His grace, was pleased to reveal His Son in me..."

This truth happening IN us (we see dimly at first) that has an end purpose of God ...HE fills all in all...all things work together for good (whether we can see it or not)...

For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven...And Jesus said, "The kingdom is within you..."

At first we hear by the ear, but then by the seeing of the eye (single of eye perception by the spirit that dwells within) that causes us to see as he sees, raised up in his sight. To know as fully as we have always been known...the things that are hidden being brought to light...as Paul stated the mystery now being revealed, "Christ in you, the hope of glory."

The journey is inward...2 Corinthians 5:16 So from now on we regard no one according to the flesh. Although we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. 17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come! 18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ, not counting men’s trespasses against them. And He has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

 

[razzelflabben]

The truth of the matter is within us, being revealed. Perception/where we are viewing from is key. Jesus said "the kingdom is within you". Paul said "we have the mind of Christ". We measure and divide, perceiving lack, while scripture says He "fills all in all" and that there is nothing that exists that did not come from Him to bring about HIS purpose/plan He purposed in Himself from the beginning.

The journey (of soul) inward is a place no one can go with you...The revelation of Jesus Christ is not observed with the five senses as an over here or over there appearance. Paul said the mystery being revealed "Christ IN YOU, the hope of glory." Paul even believed he already experienced that return/revelation ..."But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me by His grace, was pleased to reveal His Son in me..."

This truth happening IN us (we see dimly at first) that has an end purpose of God ...HE fills all in all...all things work together for good (whether we can see it or not)...

For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven...And Jesus said, "The kingdom is within you..."

At first we hear by the ear, but then by the seeing of the eye (single of eye perception by the spirit that dwells within) that causes us to see as he sees, raised up in his sight. To know as fully as we have always been known...the things that are hidden being brought to light...as Paul stated the mystery now being revealed, "Christ in you, the hope of glory."

The journey is inward...2 Corinthians 5:16 So from now on we regard no one according to the flesh. Although we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. 17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come! 18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ, not counting men’s trespasses against them. And He has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

please explain what anything you say here has to do with the question I was asked and answered in the post of mine you quoted so that I can follow the conversation...I mean this post seems totally out of left field from the discussion you are quoting from so I have no idea how to apply it to the points being made.

 

[Ron Gurley]

Response to Post#25: Q: ".... Jesus said
"the kingdom is within you".

A: FALSE

Nothing Godly dwells in UNBELIEVERS!

Luke 17(NASB)...Jesus the God-Man is the "Kingdom of God" personified on earth

20 Now having been questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming,
He answered them and said,(to the surrounding men)
“The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed;
21 nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’
For behold, the "kingdom of God" is (standing) in your midst.”

midst...Greek 1787...entos...in the midst of you, inside (the group?)

 

[razzelflabben]

Response to Post#25: Q: ".... Jesus said
"the kingdom is within you".

A: FALSE

Nothing Godly dwells in UNBELIEVERS!

Luke 17(NASB)...Jesus the God-Man is the "Kingdom of God" personified on earth

20 Now having been questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming,
He answered them and said,(to the surrounding men)
“The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed;
21 nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’
For behold, the "kingdom of God" is (standing) in your midst.”

midst...Greek 1787...entos...in the midst of you, inside (the group?)

I still don't understand what the post is suppose to be addressing. The quoted part was addressing why there is suffering in the world...is the post suggesting that there is suffering in the world because God dwells in man? I don't know that seems totally ridiculous but I got nothing which is why I am trying to wait for clarification before addressing what was said.

 

[RaymondG]

Response to Post#25: Q: ".... Jesus said
"the kingdom is within you".

A: FALSE

Nothing Godly dwells in UNBELIEVERS!

Luke 17(NASB)...Jesus the God-Man is the "Kingdom of God" personified on earth

20 Now having been questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming,
He answered them and said,(to the surrounding men)
“The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed;
21 nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’
For behold, the "kingdom of God" is (standing) in your midst.”

midst...Greek 1787...entos...in the midst of you, inside (the group?)

do you also dismiss the scriptures concerning "Christ in you" being the hope of glory....Christ is the light that lighteth Every man that come into the world?

 

[Ron Gurley]

God does not dwell in the heart / soul / spirit of natural unsaved man.

Therefore Man must be spiritually CHANGED!
John 3 as explained in Ephesians 2.

 

[RaymondG]

I've learned from the gospels that when you try to go against the masters of the written words, you get crucified.......so I take my leave.

 

[Ron Gurley]

Believers: IN Christ and Christ in them.
Un-Believers: reject/ignore Christ, separated from God

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

please explain what anything you say here has to do with the question I was asked and answered in the post of mine you quoted so that I can follow the conversation...I mean this post seems totally out of left field from the discussion you are quoting from so I have no idea how to apply it to the points being made.

As was addressed in those posts...The seeing the world full of war, hatred and misery and how many interpret it as something bad or evil ..or why God would not prevent such things.

Your study lays blame (judges and condemns) when God had a purpose/plan He purposed in Himself from the very beginning...(Behold the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world...slain before the foundation of the world)...

The world is outward looking/perceiving by observation with the five senses. Jesus said His kingdom was not of this world and that it was 'within you'...Your observation is not out of order, that God made everything...perfect...and all those things we see/perceive as bad have to do with where we are perceiving from...as in the question God asked of Adam (after the fall) "Where art thou?" and he heard God's voice outside of himself for the first time and was afraid.

You asked "Why doesn't God fix the evil we created?" In the garden, The Woman (not yet named Eve) perceived she lacked and desired something she THOUGHT would make her wise...with the knowledge of good and evil. (God already declared all He had made as very good...) and so eating of it set in motion our journey of soul back (reconciled/renewed/restored) to what was in the beginning. As long as we are still eating of it (taking thought, measuring and striving between two points) our eye is not single.

When you say "so that we realize that He is our answer and in that come to Him so that when it is time He can reconcile or fix what was broken" is true that it is only a coming to HIM that reconciliation can be...the eyesight change that happened in the garden and Jesus words "...I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.” Jesus said His kingdom was not of this world and that it "is within you" all have to do with what happened in the garden and how we perceive.

And, "The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light."

Isaiah 6, to 'see' this is amazing...His glory fills the whole earth. Always has. He rules and reigns since the beginning...when we can 'see'...

You said, "It just isn't time yet because more need to come so that the new heaven and new earth are filled thus once again perfect."...Today is always today in God's eyes. Paul said, "Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come!"

To look at this as a far off, physical thing is to see Christ as something separate and outside of our bery being. To look outside is to still see duality and lack...while the truth being revealed (inwardly)is that God fills all in all...

Not that there is anything wrong with what you shared, but there is always more...for God is ONE spirit, infinite and immeasurable. To put Him in a box is to limit what we can 'see'...and HE can only give us what we believe possible...it was that on which I expounded...and the inward truth of the matter...and being restored in all HIS glory...within...

 

[razzelflabben]

As was addressed in those posts...The seeing the world full of war, hatred and misery and how many interpret it as something bad or evil ..or why God would not prevent such things.

Your study lays blame (judges and condemns) when God had a purpose/plan He purposed in Himself from the very beginning...(Behold the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world...slain before the foundation of the world)...

please explain how I place judgment and condemnation when scripture tells us that it is because of sin and death that man invited in...Did God allow it because He had a purpose/plan...sure, no contest but that does not negate the scriptures that tell us that sin entered the world by man's hand not God's .

The world is outward looking/perceiving by observation with the five senses. Jesus said His kingdom was not of this world and that it was 'within you'...Your observation is not out of order, that God made everything...perfect...and all those things we see/perceive as bad have to do with where we are perceiving from...as in the question God asked of Adam (after the fall) "Where art thou?" and he heard God's voice outside of himself for the first time and was afraid.

scripture also says that God will reconcile all things to Himself which is what I said...Colossians 1:20...so what are you suggesting? that scripture is wrong on the matter?

You asked "Why doesn't God fix the evil we created?" In the garden, The Woman (not yet named Eve) perceived she lacked and desired something she THOUGHT would make her wise...with the knowledge of good and evil. (God already declared all He had made as very good...) and so eating of it set in motion our journey of soul back (reconciled/renewed/restored) to what was in the beginning. As long as we are still eating of it (taking thought, measuring and striving between two points) our eye is not single.

II Peter 3:9...He will come and reconcile all things to Himself when the fulfillment of all that He wills is accomplished...just like I said and just like scripture says.

When you say "so that we realize that He is our answer and in that come to Him so that when it is time He can reconcile or fix what was broken" is true that it is only a coming to HIM that reconciliation can be...the eyesight change that happened in the garden and Jesus words "...I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.” Jesus said His kingdom was not of this world and that it "is within you" all have to do with what happened in the garden and how we perceive.

hUh? I am confused here by what you are trying to say...up to this point "all have to do with what happened in the garden and how we perceive"...what exactly are you referring to having happened and how we perceive what happened or are you talking about something totally different that I am missing...remember, my base understanding is what you quote me saying, that when the time is right God will come and reconcile all things to Himself as scripture says...no that does not mean that all will be saved...it means that the time is not yet here for the earth and all things in the earth to be judged and sentenced accordingly.

And, "The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light."

Isaiah 6, to 'see' this is amazing...His glory fills the whole earth. Always has. He rules and reigns since the beginning...when we can 'see'...

again, I got nothing...I said nothing about seeing anything only that God desire for all of us to be reconciled to Him....how does this address anything I said?

You said, "It just isn't time yet because more need to come so that the new heaven and new earth are filled thus once again perfect."...Today is always today in God's eyes. Paul said, "Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come!"

see the above passage and others like it...it isn't me you are disagreeing with here but scripture.

To look at this as a far off, physical thing is to see Christ as something separate and outside of our bery being. To look outside is to still see duality and lack...while the truth being revealed (inwardly)is that God fills all in all...

huh? Again you stump me by seeming to talk about something totally off topic of the discussion then expect myself and others to keep up with the change...suffering exists in the world because according to scripture it is not yet time for God to reconcile all things to Himself. I said nothing at all about the transformation of the inner man when He believes unto righteousness because that is a different topic altogether. so please explain what you are saying in the context of the discussion or are you one of those that using other people's posts as a soapbox for preaching what you want to preach without regards for what is being said or what others believe?

Not that there is anything wrong with what you shared, but there is always more...for God is ONE spirit, infinite and immeasurable. To put Him in a box is to limit what we can 'see'...and HE can only give us what we believe possible...it was that on which I expounded...and the inward truth of the matter...and being restored in all HIS glory...within...

lol...I have literally books...long books that are nothing more than directed bible study I could post here but it is too long and cumbersome to do in just such a format which is why sticking to the topic of discussion on these boards is wise. You would be well served to learn to do so because it helps sooooooooooo much with effective communication.

 

[Papa DSNM]

more than anyone in this world. short version...Love, not the feel good mushy feelings that come and go but rather the deep, covenant, what is good for you kind of Love that never fails. the ancients called Him Yahweh but they also considered His name so sacred as to not utter it or write it in it's complete for form for fear they might get it wrong....God Himself calls Himself "I AM"...as for a personal name. absolutely.

If you want someone to get to know you, what might you do? Would you not tell the person your name? Does God have a name? Many religions answer that his name is “God” or “Lord,” but those are not personal names. They are titles, just as “king” and “president” are titles. The Bible teaches that God has many titles. “God” and “Lord” are among them. However, the Bible also teaches that God has a personal name: Jehovah. Psalm 83:18 says: “You, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.” The truth is that God’s name appears thousands of times in ancient Bible manuscripts. So Jehovah wants you to know his name and to use it. In a sense, he is using the Bible to introduce himself to you. It comes from the four Hebrew consonants YHWH. This is where people get Yahweh. Just as people use Jesus and not Yeshua, Jehovah is used in English. What are your thoughts?

 

[razzelflabben]

If you want someone to get to know you, what might you do? Would you not tell the person your name? Does God have a name? Many religions answer that his name is “God” or “Lord,” but those are not personal names. They are titles, just as “king” and “president” are titles. The Bible teaches that God has many titles. “God” and “Lord” are among them. However, the Bible also teaches that God has a personal name: Jehovah. Psalm 83:18 says: “You, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.” The truth is that God’s name appears thousands of times in ancient Bible manuscripts. So Jehovah wants you to know his name and to use it. In a sense, he is using the Bible to introduce himself to you. It comes from the four Hebrew consonants YHWH. This is where people get Yahweh. Just as people use Jesus and not Yeshua, Jehovah is used in English. What are your thoughts?

kind of what I already said...some added history but in the end of the thing I offered some history you didn't.

 

[Papa DSNM]

As a born again Christian, I could give you the expected Christians answers, but sometimes, I wonder.

Is the bible really the word of God? It was written down by men, an undeniable fact. If it had appeared out of nowhere then there would have been no question it is the word of God, but such is not the case.

They say by its fruits you shall recognize the tree, but looking at many of the Christians I know, the tree is not very impressive because I do not find most of them to be better people than the non-Christians I know. Not more compassionate toward their fellow men. Not more honest... And we cannot hide behind the saying that we are all sinners or that good work is meaningless and that only faith matters. If the good book is not really changing people's heart and mind, then what gives?

Forgive me but I am going through a dark time at the moment. I am finding myself leaning toward the thought that God, the Supreme Creator stands beyond and above all man made religions. I would like to believe that He is loving and cares about us. The alternative is too depressing.

I certainly can relate to how you feel. The Creator indeed stands alone above all "beliefs". Jesus said at John 8:32 "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." When you find the truth it indeed does set you free from falsehoods, both on the part of humans and religions!

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

please explain how I place judgment and condemnation when scripture tells us that it is because of sin and death that man invited in...Did God allow it because He had a purpose/plan...sure, no contest but that does not negate the scriptures that tell us that sin entered the world by man's hand not God's .

So, you do not believe - Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.

To see things as an either / or has everything to do with where we are (spiritually) viewing from...and eating from a certain tree. God made all things to bring about HIS purpose and plan from the beginning. Who is man to say what God has made is evil? The scriptures I have shared speak to this 'seeing'...being blind that we might see (though it is not something we can do of our self)

Jesus even said "If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth."

All things work together for good...whether we can 'see' it or not. God's will is being done whether anyone does God's will or not...

Jesus hanging on the cross did not condemn those who condemned Him to that death, asking His father to forgive them...for they were carrying out God's will/purpose just as much...

scripture also says that God will reconcile all things to Himself which is what I said...Colossians 1:20...so what are you suggesting? that scripture is wrong on the matter?

Yes, God has been reconciling all things to Himself since before the foundation of the world...Our journey of soul (process taking place within) all began in the garden at a tree...The First Adam and the Last Adam...something is in between...blocking the view/perception which has to do with the fall ...all paths that come from heaven lead back to heaven...

I Peter 3:9...He will come and reconcile all things to Himself when the fulfillment of all that He wills is accomplished...just like I said and just like scripture says.

This truth is as much individual as it is collective...There has always been ONE...it is our perception/eyesight that changed by eating...as in the questions asked of Adam (after eating the feast prepared by the woman [a picture of our soul] )"Where art thou?, Who told you...? and Hast thou eaten...?"...has everything to do with this reconciliation...

hUh? I am confused here by what you are trying to say...up to this point "all have to do with what happened in the garden and how we perceive"...what exactly are you referring to having happened and how we perceive what happened or are you talking about something totally different that I am missing...remember, my base understanding is what you quote me saying, that when the time is right God will come and reconcile all things to Himself as scripture says...no that does not mean that all will be saved...it means that the time is not yet here for the earth and all things in the earth to be judged and sentenced accordingly.

Adam was one, alone, until God place him in a deep slumber, wounded his side to take out a woman who prepared the feast that he ate. The precipitated a change of eyesight/vantage point (kicked out of Paradise)...all are somewhere in the process taking place within...some still in deep slumber...some waking up...some eyes wide open (again)...

God alone has the revelation...In the beginning, the voice Adam heard was in him (more specifically, his soul) and due to his soul, he then heard the voice as something outside/a separate thing from who he was...like one who was lost...

One became two...Two must become ONE (again)...He who has the bride is the bridegroom...Christ in scripture called The Door, The Way...(back/reconciled/restored)

again, I got nothing...I said nothing about seeing anything only that God desire for all of us to be reconciled to Him....how does this address anything I said?

And I don't disagree with this from a certain place one sees from...

see the above passage and others like it...it isn't me you are disagreeing with here but scripture.

As I said, I don't disagree with that from a certain place one sees from...

huh? Again you stump me by seeming to talk about something totally off topic of the discussion then expect myself and others to keep up with the change...suffering exists in the world because according to scripture it is not yet time for God to reconcile all things to Himself. I said nothing at all about the transformation of the inner man when He believes unto righteousness because that is a different topic altogether. so please explain what you are saying in the context of the discussion or are you one of those that using other people's posts as a soapbox for preaching what you want to preach without regards for what is being said or what others believe?

behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation. Do you believe Christ lives in you? The truth Jesus meant when He said "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." ?? ("seeing" the kingdom is within you)...where do you 'see' the revealing of Jesus Christ taking place? Paul testified that he had already seen it...within himself...

lol...I have literally books...long books that are nothing more than directed bible study I could post here but it is too long and cumbersome to do in just such a format which is why sticking to the topic of discussion on these boards is wise. You would be well served to learn to do so because it helps sooooooooooo much with effective communication.

The only book I read is The Bible. Scripture interprets scripture...the whole Bible is an unfolding narrative of this purpose that he had purposed in himself before the world. It is defined not only as a mystery hidden from the beginning, but a being revealed (inwardly) now. It is something that has no beginning or end, as in forever, beyond the confines of time and space perception. God being immeasurable and infinite...

For everything hidden is meant to be revealed, and everything concealed is meant to be brought to light. If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear... Take heed what ye hear:

 

[razzelflabben]

So, you do not believe - Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.

I seriously have no idea what you are talking about or where you get the idea from what you quoted that I don't believe God made all things....this is ridiculous and if you don't start addressing what I said in context of the discussion our discussion will be over.

To see things as an either / or has everything to do with where we are (spiritually) viewing from...and eating from a certain tree. God made all things to bring about HIS purpose and plan from the beginning. Who is man to say what God has made is evil? The scriptures I have shared speak to this 'seeing'...being blind that we might see (though it is not something we can do of our self)

I Corinthians 15:21; Romans 5:12; Romans 5:17; says that I am right in what I said...I still have no idea what you are trying to argue or what you don't understand about what I said.

Jesus even said "If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth."

All things work together for good...whether we can 'see' it or not. God's will is being done whether anyone does God's will or not...

I have an awesome story that illustrates this passage very well, but since that is off topic of the discussion at hand, we move on.

Jesus hanging on the cross did not condemn those who condemned Him to that death, asking His father to forgive them...for they were carrying out God's will/purpose just as much...

Yes, God has been reconciling all things to Himself since before the foundation of the world...Our journey of soul (process taking place within) all began in the garden at a tree...The First Adam and the Last Adam...something is in between...blocking the view/perception which has to do with the fall ...all paths that come from heaven lead back to heaven...

This truth is as much individual as it is collective...There has always been ONE...it is our perception/eyesight that changed by eating...as in the questions asked of Adam (after eating the feast prepared by the woman [a picture of our soul] )"Where art thou?, Who told you...? and Hast thou eaten...?"...has everything to do with this reconciliation...

Adam was one, alone, until God place him in a deep slumber, wounded his side to take out a woman who prepared the feast that he ate. The precipitated a change of eyesight/vantage point (kicked out of Paradise)...all are somewhere in the process taking place within...some still in deep slumber...some waking up...some eyes wide open (again)...

God alone has the revelation...In the beginning, the voice Adam heard was in him (more specifically, his soul) and due to his soul, he then heard the voice as something outside/a separate thing from who he was...like one who was lost...

One became two...Two must become ONE (again)...He who has the bride is the bridegroom...Christ in scripture called The Door, The Way...(back/reconciled/restored)

And I don't disagree with this from a certain place one sees from...

As I said, I don't disagree with that from a certain place one sees from...

I'm ignoring this until or unless you can show me how it applies to the discussion at hand, which so far you have failed miserably to do.

behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation. Do you believe Christ lives in you? The truth Jesus meant when He said "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." ?? ("seeing" the kingdom is within you)...where do you 'see' the revealing of Jesus Christ taking place? Paul testified that he had already seen it...within himself...

if you want to judge me and others without cause why not do it boldly so that everyone can see without question? The discussion is about why sin entered in the world it has nothing at all to do with whether I have believed unto salvation or not...nor my perspective of God and the world. This is enough...either address the quotes as per the context of the discussion or stop quoting my posts in your posts.

The only book I read is The Bible. Scripture interprets scripture...the whole Bible is an unfolding narrative of this purpose that he had purposed in himself before the world. It is defined not only as a mystery hidden from the beginning, but a being revealed (inwardly) now. It is something that has no beginning or end, as in forever, beyond the confines of time and space perception. God being immeasurable and infinite...

For everything hidden is meant to be revealed, and everything concealed is meant to be brought to light. If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear... Take heed what ye hear:

how does this answer the question of how sin entered into the world?

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

I seriously have no idea what you are talking about or where you get the idea from what you quoted that I don't believe God made all things....this is ridiculous and if you don't start addressing what I said in context of the discussion our discussion will be over. I Corinthians 15:21; Romans 5:12; Romans 5:17; says that I am right in what I said...I still have no idea what you are trying to argue or what you don't understand about what I said. I have an awesome story that illustrates this passage very well, but since that is off topic of the discussion at hand, we move on. I'm ignoring this until or unless you can show me how it applies to the discussion at hand, which so far you have failed miserably to do. if you want to judge me and others without cause why not do it boldly so that everyone can see without question? The discussion is about why sin entered in the world it has nothing at all to do with whether I have believed unto salvation or not...nor my perspective of God and the world. This is enough...either address the quotes as per the context of the discussion or stop quoting my posts in your posts.how does this answer the question of how sin entered into the world?

Where have I questioned if you believed unto salvation? I accused no one. I have addressed your questions as you asked, how my first post addressed what you had written in reply to another. I wield no sword. I stated no disagreement. You do...but I forgive you.