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What is the strong delusion God will send in the end time?

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Star wars.. For biblical truth..

I never would have imagined...
 
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the part where satan losses.

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Yes to the 1st part, no to the 2nd. He can return to his 1st valid wife without having to divorce the 2nd.
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So today a man can be married to two women at the same time without commiting adultry?
Why can a wife not be married to two men, why only men can remarry?

How do you relate the one spirit part of this verse to any marriage where the husband isn't the Lord?
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Is there a difference between a one-flesh-union in a marriage and if someone commits adultry. What makes the marriage-covenant so special that it can not be broken, even by becoming one flesh with someone else through adultry? Does marriage mean one flesh and one spirit?
 
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]James 4:7 teaches us all,[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] "Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee."[/FONT]

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ThomasGuthler said in post 244:

So today a man can be married to two women at the same time without commiting adultry?
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Yes (e.g. Matthew 19:9).

ThomasGuthler said in post 244:

Why can a wife not be married to two men, why only men can remarry?
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Why can only men teach (1 Timothy 2:11-14; 1 Corinthians 14:34-37)?

ThomasGuthler said in post 244:

Is there a difference between a one-flesh-union in a marriage and if someone commits adultry.
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Yes, if you mean a valid marriage.

ThomasGuthler said in post 244:

What makes the marriage-covenant so special that it can not be broken, even by becoming one flesh with someone else through adultry?
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See the "one flesh" part of post 230.

ThomasGuthler said in post 244:

Does marriage mean one flesh and one spirit?
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No, just one flesh (Matthew 19:6).
 
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PS - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]My fervent prayer are that some would take time to consider becoming a more integral-part in working alongside the heavenly host of highly educated and technological angels that sacrificed for ages to build the New Jerusalem that Abraham looked forward to seeing, and what we &#8220;all&#8221; might see someday as seen in the attached image to Post #[/FONT]63 &#8220;[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]NewJerusalem ForTheSaints _gif.gif&#8221; at <>[/FONT]http://www.christianforums.com/t7756553-7/#post63771233[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<> and as taught in Revelation 21 and by a Holy (i.e. set-apart-for-service) and faith-filled Paul in Colossians 1:20.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PS - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]As written in the aforementioned gif file, what radically enlightened me to Beelzebub's powerfully enslaving &#8220;hatred&#8221; towards our Shekhinah Creator's vision for us all, was in the fact that the tallest pyramid that has ever been constructed by God's enslaved children was exactly 1.2 Greek Olympic &#8220;stadia&#8221; on each edge, which is exactly 1/10,000th the dimensions of New Jerusalem in Revelation 21[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. Also the pyramids in the Mid-East became tombs for ancient rulers who set themselves up as gods, and those in Central and South America became heinous platforms for innocent human sacrifices to occult demons who also set themselves up as gods. So let us pray for vision wisdom strength and courage and rise up and overcome evil with good as we would proclaim the simplicity of the Gospel of Christ Jesus, and thereby work alongside the Heavenly Host in a much greater way in annihilating the works of the devil in our earth. His Kingdom come His will be done in the earth as it is done in Heaven, Amen, come quickly Lord Jesus.[/FONT]

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Incorrect, the strong delusion was a product of the secret power of lawlessness then working as Paul wrote, which would have its restraint lifted, allowing the man of sin, son of perdition to appear.

So the strong delusion is the Antichrist, that he is Christ. But he will set up a new religion, try to change times and law, and put himself above all that is worshipped.

My post identified the precisely restraint that would be lifted that would allow the mystery of lawlessness be unrestrained.

It isn't spiritism even though that leads to many antichrists, because antichrists were appearing even as Paul wrote (they were behind the spurious word and letters upsetting the Thessalonians), John calls them antichrists:

18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
(1Jo 2:18-19 NKJ)

So if God isn't restraining antichrists or the lawlessness that allows them to appear, what is He restraining that prevents The Antichrist from appearing?

It must be something satanic, relevant to his power etc.

In Genesis c. 6 The Nephilim (fallen ones) conspired with men to seduce the "sons of God" sent to counteract their evil, so these fell from their proper habitation and began taking woman as wives, having offspring, just like the Nephilim.

While all those angels lost their physical bodies in the flood, those fallen angels who didn't die physically in the flood are still in heaven with Satan. When Michael casts them out of heaven, they will appear on earth physically, pretending to be UFO aliens.

I deduce what restrains is God's command they can't appear in our realm physically, as they did before the flood. Then God removes the prohibition, and then the Antichrist can appear, backed up by alien technology which is really satanic technology. Why wouldn't they have technology? They have been around since creation and possibly are smarter than us (Ps. 8:5). It follows good angels built New Jerusalem. Or does anyone believe they played harps all that time?

The Nephilim pretending to be UFO aliens, will back the Antichrist's play and preach the new Antichrist religion, and as Hitler did with Himmler's occult pagan religion, make all previous religions obsolete. I predict they will use the number 666 like the Nazis used the swastika. They will want everyone to know times and law have been changed, that all are definitely fighting against God.

That is why accepting the mark results in eternal torment, there was no accepting that mark by mistake, everyone knew precisely what was happening. They all believed they could fight, and win against God.

Beware of disinformation. Deception, decoys are part of any winning strategy. No doubt different "alien races" may appear, some claiming to be for God. NONE of them are, they all will be demons. It is said on the NET the Nordics are against the Grays, they even made a crop circle warning about them with a picture of a Gray in England, near a radio dish. Its all deception, they are all demons enemies of God, sent to sow disinformation and corrupt the children of God.


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread610826/pg1

The only reliable information is the Bible, it alone is 100% trust worthy, 100% accurate. If anyone wants to hear God speak, open it and read.

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. (Rev 3:20 KJV)

1 "Come, all you who are thirsty, come to the waters; and you who have no money, come, buy and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money and without cost.
2 Why spend money on what is not bread, and your labor on what does not satisfy? Listen, listen to me, and eat what is good, and you will delight in the richest of fare.
 3 Give ear and come to me; listen, that you may live. I will make an everlasting covenant with you, my faithful love promised to David.
4 See, I have made him a witness to the peoples, a ruler and commander of the peoples.
5 Surely you will summon nations you know not, and nations you do not know will come running to you, because of the LORD your God, the Holy One of Israel, for he has endowed you with splendor."
6 Seek the LORD while he may be found; call on him while he is near.
7 Let the wicked forsake their ways and the unrighteous their thoughts. Let them turn to the LORD, and he will have mercy on them, and to our God, for he will freely pardon.
8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD.
9 "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
 10 As the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and do not return to it without watering the earth and making it bud and flourish, so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater,
11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
12 You will go out in joy and be led forth in peace; the mountains and hills will burst into song before you, and all the trees of the field will clap their hands.
13 Instead of the thornbush will grow the juniper, and instead of briers the myrtle will grow. This will be for the LORD's renown, for an everlasting sign, that will endure forever."
(Isa 55:1-13 NIV)
 
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Bible2 said:
Yes to the 1st part, no to the 2nd. He can return to his 1st valid wife without having to divorce the 2nd.
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That was a sin in Israel that was the reason the land threw the people out, it was forbidden.
When one committed adultery they didn't have to divorce, he or she got killed, stoned. Now Jesus died and we died with Him.
I asked the Lord: Do You want me to go back to my first ex, second ex or can I marry someone else? He said: Marry Me, time is short, they were marrying and giving into marriage.
I see the same sin as in the days of Noah. They took wifes which they preferred, one, two, three, four, who cares? It's all grace. I believe lawlesness is the strong delusion.
 
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Regarding Revelation 21, note that it doesn't teach universal salvation, because of Revelation 21:8. Not everyone will be saved (Matthew 25:41,46, Matthew 13:38-42), but only a relatively few people (Matthew 7:14, Matthew 22:14) compared with all of humanity.


Regarding Colossians 1:20, the original Greek word (pas, G3956) translated there as "all" can mean "all manner of" (Acts 10:12). Jesus has reconciled all manner of people to himself (Revelation 5:9b) but not absolutely all people (Matthew 7:14, Matthew 22:14). For reconciliation requires faith (John 3:36, Romans 3:25-26) and not all people have faith (2 Thessalonians 3:2). Also, only the elect are given God's miraculous gift of faith (Acts 13:48b, Ephesians 2:8, John 6:65). Nonelect people and angels will ultimately be cast into the lake of fire and brimstone to suffer God's wrath forever (Matthew 25:41,46, Revelation 20:10,15, Revelation 14:10-11, Mark 9:45-46).

(See also the "elect" parts of post 228. And see all of post 159, in case those verses are repeated in a future post)
 
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Alfred Persson said in post 248:

So the strong delusion is the Antichrist, that he is Christ.
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"Anti"-Christ can simply refer to anyone who is "against" the true Christ, as in anyone who denies Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22), or denies Jesus is the human/divine Son of God (1 John 2:22b), or denies Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7). The spirit of antichrist (1 John 4:3) has been working since the first century AD (2 Thessalonians 2:7), animating many antichrists since that time (1 John 2:18; 2 John 1:7).

Note that nothing requires that the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") will ever claim to be Christ. For his antichrist denial that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3) will disqualify him as a mortal-flesh human (under his mistaken Gnostic doctrine) from being Christ. Instead, the non-mortal-flesh Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) could be the false Christ (i.e. the "Lucifer" Christ, and not the "Jesus" Christ: 1 John 2:22) during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), which will be in the latter half of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24.

But none of this means there won't also be multiple, human false Christs who will arise during the tribulation (Matthew 24:24), including one who will be an ultra-Orthodox Jewish false Christ/Messiah. For shortly after the start of the tribulation, the Antichrist could "cut" a peace treaty with an ultra-Orthodox Jewish false "Messiah" (Daniel 9:26a, Daniel 11:22-23a), promising this false Messiah and his ultra-Orthodox Jewish followers that they can keep for at least 7 years (Daniel 9:27a) a 3rd Jewish temple (Revelation 11:1) which they will have built on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.
 
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That was a sin in Israel that was the reason the land threw the people out, it was forbidden.
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The now-abolished letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6) permitted a divorced woman to marry someone else (Deuteronomy 24:2). But if her 2nd marriage ended, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law forbade her to remarry her 1st husband (Deuteronomy 24:4). The New Covenant rules turn this on its head. For now a woman divorced from a valid husband can't marry anyone else (Mark 10:12, Luke 16:18b), but she can remarry her valid husband (1 Corinthians 7:11). It was because the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law permitted a divorced woman to marry someone else, that Jesus, while the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law was still in effect, could acknowledge the woman of Samaria's 5 marriages (John 4:18, assuming all 5 didn't end in the death of her husband: cf. Luke 20:29-31). The New Covenant rules forbidding a woman divorced from a valid husband to marry anyone else didn't come into legal effect until Jesus' death on the Cross brought the New Covenant into legal effect (Hebrews 9:16-17, Matthew 26:28) and abolished the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6).
 
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]A &#8220;strong delusion&#8221; occurs whenever ones &#8220;[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]heart[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]&#8221; is far removed from mentoring others to knowledgeably understand God's love, and His life strengthening prudence[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] [2Thessalonians 2:11] [/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]We are all in training to be a little more like Jesus every day, one day and one step at a time[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

Again, thank you everyone for your posts and prayers. I continually pray they all will eventually become eternally fruitful towards everyone who might someday be like the Bereans who would read this thread and would &#8220;consider&#8221; the truths therein.

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<>PS There are several key scriptures that continually govern my thoughts, hopes and prayers for these threads, of which some are given below:[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]John[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 8:31-32 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]To the Judeans who had believed him, Jesus said, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]&#8220;If you [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]hold to my teaching[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], you are really my disciples. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].&#8221;[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Timothy[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 3:16-17 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]All ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Holy[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]) scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: that the man of God may become perfect ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]mature[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]), [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]thoroughly furnished unto all [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]good works[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Timothy [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2:15-16 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]a workman that needeth not to be ashamed[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]rightly dividing the word of truth.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]16 But [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]shun[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ungodliness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. (KJV) (ESV) 16 But [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]avoid[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ungodliness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Titus 2:13 - - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious (i.e. fruitful) appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Peter[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 3:10&18 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. . . . Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]error[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] of the lawless [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ones [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and fall from your secure position[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.[/FONT]

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AJCServant said in post 254:

Romans 5 (cf 1John 2:2) - all justified and made righteous
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In Romans 5:18b, the original Greek word (pas, G3956) translated as "all" can be used in the sense of "all manner of" (e.g. Acts 10:12). Romans 5:18b doesn't mean absolutely all men are justified, for justification requires faith (Romans 5:1), and not all men have faith (2 Thessalonians 3:2). Instead, the principle of Romans 5:18b applies only to the elect (2 Timothy 2:10).

(See the "elect" parts of post 228)

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Romans 5 (cf 1John 2:2) - all justified and made righteous
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Jesus' divine/human sacrifice was sufficient to forgive the sins of everyone (1 John 2:2). But it was performed in order to actually forgive the sins not of everyone (Romans 9:18-24), but of only the elect. For Jesus' sheep whom he died to save (John 10:11,14,15) are the elect (1 Peter 1:2; 1 Peter 3:18; 1 Peter 4:1), those who are able to believe in him (John 10:27), and who will believe in him at some point during their lifetime (Acts 13:48b), as opposed to the nonelect, who can't ever believe in him (John 8:42-47), because they aren't his sheep (John 10:26).

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Romans 11:32 - all receive mercy
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Romans 11:32 means only that all the elect (Romans 11:28) are shown mercy with regard to their initial salvation as individuals (Romans 9:11-24), not that all people will be shown mercy. For some people were created by God to be nonelect vessels of his wrath, who will never be shown mercy (Romans 9:11-22, Proverbs 16:4, Matthew 13:38-42, John 8:42-47).

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1Cor 5:5 &#8211; destruction of their demon possessed flesh -
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The sinful saved person in 1 Corinthians 5 hadn't lost his salvation, for salvation is ultimately lost due to sin only if a saved person refuses to repent from a sin (Hebrews 10:26-29; 1 Corinthians 9:27; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10) until he dies (1 John 5:16) or Jesus returns (Luke 12:45-46). After the sinful saved person in 1 Corinthians 5 was punished by being cast out of the congregation (1 Corinthians 5:13), he repented from his sin while he was still alive, and so he was forgiven and restored to the congregation (2 Corinthians 2:6-10; 1 John 1:9).

Regarding "the destruction of the flesh" in 1 Corinthians 5:5, the original Greek word (olethros, G3639) translated as "destruction" can simply mean punishment. So the "destruction" of the sinful saved person's flesh by Satan can simply mean God as a chastening for unrepentance (Revelation 3:19) would allow that person's flesh to temporarily suffer in some way at the hands of Satan (cf. Luke 13:16). It doesn't require the person be killed by Satan (Job 2:6-7).

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1Cor 15:22 - all made alive in Christ
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1 Corinthians 15:22 doesn't assure a resurrection to eternal life, because people can be resurrected to damnation (John 5:29, Revelation 20:12-15).

AJCServant said in post 254:

1Cor 15:27 - all subject to him
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1 Corinthians 15:27, like Philippians 2:10-11, doesn't say all will be saved. For while all will eventually be made subject to Christ, not all will be saved (Matthew 25:41,46, Matthew 13:38-42), but only a relatively few people (Matthew 7:14, Matthew 22:14) compared with all of humanity.

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2Cor 5:19 - all reconciled
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2 Corinthians 5:19 doesn't mean everyone in the world, for (again) not everyone will be reconciled to God (Matthew 25:41,46, Matthew 13:38-42), but only a relatively few people (Matthew 7:14, Matthew 22:14) compared with all of humanity.

In the Bible, "the world" doesn't have to mean everyone in the world. Just as "the world" in John 15:18 and John 16:8-9,20 doesn't include believers, so "the world" in John 3:16 doesn't include the nonelect (Romans 9:11-22). And in the case of, for example, John 18:20, it doesn't include the vast majority of the earth's inhabitants at that time, who didn't hear Jesus speak to them during his preaching before his arrest.

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Eph 1:9-10 - all gathered up in him
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Ephesians 1:9-10 refers only to the ultimate gathering together of all things which will be "in Christ", not things which won't be in Christ (e.g. Matthew 25:41,46, Matthew 13:38-42).

AJCServant said in post 254:

Phil 2:10-11 - all will worship him
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See 1 Corinthians 15:27 above.

AJCServant said in post 254:

Col 1:20 - all reconciled in Christ
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See the 2nd part of post 250.

AJCServant said in post 254:

1Tim 2:4 - salvation of all desired . . .

1Tim 2:6 - Christ was ransomed for all . . .

1Tim 4:10 - Christ was savior of all -
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1 Timothy 2:4,6, like 1 Timothy 4:10b, means God will have all manner of people believe in Jesus and be saved (Revelation 5:9b), not absolutely all people (Romans 9:11-24), just as, for example, John 3:26c means all manner of people came to Jesus during his first-coming earthly ministry, not absolutely all people. The original Greek word (pas, G3956) translated as "all" can simply mean "all manner of" (e.g. Acts 10:12). It doesn't have to mean absolutely all.

1 Timothy 2:4,6 and 1 Timothy 4:10b don't mean absolutely all people can believe in Jesus. For other verses show that some people (the nonelect) can't (John 6:65, John 8:42-47, John 10:26, Matthew 13:38-42). Also, 1 Timothy 2:4,6 and 1 Timothy 4:10b don't mean absolutely all people will be saved, for other verses show that most people won't be (Matthew 25:41,46, Matthew 13:38-42, Matthew 7:14, Matthew 22:14).

AJCServant said in post 254:

1Tim 4:10 - Christ was savior of all -
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Regarding unbelievers, 1 Timothy 4:10b would apply only to those unbelievers who are elect (e.g. Romans 11:28), and so will become believers at some point during their lifetime (Acts 13:48b).

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Romans 5:2 means as believers choose to continue in the faith (Colossians 1:23) they continue to have access to God's grace (Hebrews 4:16). At the same time other verses show it's only by God's grace the elect (the chosen) (Ephesians 1:4-11, Romans 9:11-24, Acts 13:48b) are given God's miraculous gift of faith (Ephesians 2:8, John 6:65; 1 Corinthians 3:5b, Romans 12:3b, Hebrews 12:2).


In Romans 5:8, "us" refers only to the elect, for God hates the nonelect (Romans 9:11-13). Romans 5:8 doesn't contradict double predestination but is part of it. For God loves the elect not only before they get saved (Romans 11:28) but even before they're born (Romans 9:11-13). The elect were chosen (elected) by God before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4; 2 Thessalonians 2:13). And Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:8; 1 Peter 1:20) in the sense that God had already determined and so foreknew (Acts 2:23) before the foundation of the world that every man but Jesus would become a sinner, and that he (God the Father) would send Jesus to die in order to make possible the salvation of the elect (Ephesians 1:4-7). But God loving the elect enough to save them even while they were yet sinners (Romans 5:8) doesn't even require once-saved-always-saved.

For saved people need to be careful to keep themselves in the love of God (Jude 1:21) and to continue in his goodness (Romans 11:22) by continuing in obedience to him (John 15:10, John 14:21,23) if they don't want God to ultimately cut them off (Romans 11:22, John 15:2a) and cast them away (1 Corinthians 9:27, John 15:6).

The way for believers to expect mercy from God (Jude 1:21b) is for them to repent from their sins and confess them to God (1 Jn. 1:9). Believers can't expect mercy from God if they commit apostasy (Jude 1:5, Hebrews 6:4-8) or unrepentant sin (Jude 1:7-18,23, Hebrews 10:26-29), turning the grace of God into lasciviousness (Jude 1:4), or if they become utterly lazy without repentance (Matthew 25:26,30, John 15:2a).

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2 Peter 3:9 - - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
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See the 2nd half of post 228.

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Titus 2:13 - - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious (i.e. fruitful) appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.
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The blessed hope (Titus 2:13) is the hope of eternal life: "In hope of eternal life" (Titus 1:2), "that blessed hope" (Titus 2:13), "the hope of eternal life" (Titus 3:7), by which is meant the hope of obtaining an immortal physical resurrection body (Romans 8:23-25, Philippians 3:21, Luke 24:39) at Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-53; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6), which won't occur until immediately after the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6). Also, Jesus himself is the hope of believers (1 Timothy 1:1b), for he himself is eternal life (John 14:6) and only by believing in him can people have eternal life (John 3:36).
 
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Luke 22:31 - - Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat . . .

Luke 22:32 - - But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail . . .

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2 Corinthians 12:7 - - Or because of these surpassingly great revelations ...

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[See Luke 9:55 - - But Jesus turned and rebuked them and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. & 2Peter 2:4 - - Putting them in chains . . . & Jude 1:6 - - Bound with everlasting chains.]


Matthew 18:18 - - Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be . . .


Matthew 16:19 - - I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, whatever you bind on earth will be . . .





Luke 8:39 - - Return home and tell how much God has done for you.





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Matthew 4:19 - - Come, follow me, Jesus said, and I will send (even) you out to fish for men.

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<>PS There are several key scriptures that continually govern my thoughts, hopes and prayers for these threads, of which some are given below:[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]John[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 8:31-32 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]To the Judeans who had believed him, Jesus said, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]&#8220;If you [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]hold to my teaching[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], you are really my disciples. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].&#8221;[/FONT][/FONT]
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2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Timothy[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 3:16-17 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]All ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Holy[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]) scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: that the man of God may become perfect ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]mature[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]), [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]thoroughly furnished unto all [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]good works[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Timothy [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2:15-16 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]a workman that needeth not to be ashamed[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]rightly dividing the word of truth.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]16 But [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]shun[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ungodliness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. (KJV) (ESV) 16 But [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]avoid[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ungodliness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Titus 2:13 - - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious (i.e. fruitful) appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Peter[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 3:10&18 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. . . . Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]error[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] of the lawless [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ones [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and fall from your secure position[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.

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Matthew 4:19 - - Come, follow me, Jesus said, and I will send (even) you out to fish for men.

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Many do believe a third temple will be built, I do not. The temple of God the "man of sin" rises up in, is the church. Hence a falling away had to occur first, or it couldn't happen.

Its not required the antichrist claim to be the Jesus Christ of Nazareth, only that he claim to be the anointed one who will save mankind. Disguising himself as Christ, he opposes Christ. I believe the title "son of perdition" which Jesus called Judas, indicates this person claimed to be Christian, but betrays that profession.

I think he will be a famous pentecostal, casting out demons, prophesying and doing many wonders in Christ's name, till he begins doing them in his own name.

The fallen angels Michael kicks out of heaven, will back this dude and his claims. Their precise message is found everywhere on the internet, the ufo contactee cults are already preaching their gospel.

Its only a matter of time before they appear, likely soon. I connect to that, everything that has happened in the US, the engineered collapse, the NSA spying apparatus, the alien tech or covert tech that looks like alien tech, British bio tech, will all come together to create an idolatrous image that can speak and cause to be killed any who don't worship the beast.

I think I'll revisit the pioneering research by David Hunt and Churck Missler, respected experts in this field, to see what I can learn.
 
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