What is the reason for the changes?

[Byfaithalone1]

Can someone help me understand what's going on here? What happened to the discussion and debate area? Why is there now a segregation? Because I'm a newbie, I'm pretty clueless about what's happening around here!

BFA

 

[StormyOne]

ongoing tension that dates back about 3 yrs.... finally reached critical mass with the latest rounds of fighting.....

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

I don't know what happened to the discussion and debate subforum apparently the threads were merged with the traditional subforum. Though they still have a discussion and debate page it has 3 threads so I don't know what they are doing.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

I don't know what happened to the discussion and debate subforum apparently the threads were merged with the traditional subforum. Though they still have a discussion and debate page it has 3 threads so I don't know what they are doing.

Very disappointing . . . .

BFA

 

[JonMiller]

Basically, it became like several other congregations here, like the Roman Catholics have:
One Bread, One Body - Catholic
The Lord's Table - Liberal Catholics

Of course, it is probably the most divided one, which is a shame.

JM

 

[Sophia7]

The Traditional SDA sub-forum was deleted since it would now be superfluous. All of the threads were moved from there to the main SDA forum, which is now called Traditional Adventists. I'm not sure why the threads from all of the other forums were moved, too; maybe the tech people had to do it that way for some reason. I guess if the Trads decide to keep the other sub-forums, some things could be moved back. The Traditionals are working on their FSGs and will most likely disallow debate by anyone other than themselves and non-members who are seriously considering joining the SDA Church.

If you have any threads that you started in the D&D sub-forum that you would like to be able to still discuss, I suppose they could be moved here.

Regarding the name changes, see this:
http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=45800094#post45800094

 

[Byfaithalone1]

The Traditional SDA sub-forum was deleted since it would now be superfluous. All of the threads were moved from there to the main SDA forum, which is now called Traditional Adventists. I'm not sure why the threads from all of the other forums were moved, too; maybe the tech people had to do it that way for some reason. I guess if the Trads decide to keep the other sub-forums, some things could be moved back. The Traditionals are working on their FSGs and will most likely disallow debate by anyone other than themselves and non-members who are seriously considering joining the SDA Church.

If you have any threads that you started in the D&D sub-forum that you would like to be able to still discuss, I suppose they could be moved here.

Regarding the name changes, see this:
http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=45800094#post45800094

OK. Well, it's been fun posting here for awhile. I guess there's not much left for me to say. I suppose the best way for me to respect the rules would be to move along. I wish you all well. Perhaps I'll see you on CARM from time to time.

BFA

 

[Sophia7]

OK. Well, it's been fun posting here for awhile. I guess there's not much left for me to say. I suppose the best way for me to respect the rules would be to move along. I wish you all well. Perhaps I'll see you on CARM from time to time.

BFA

You're welcome to debate here or in General Theology. Not a lot of Traditional Adventists go to GT, though, so your opportunities to interact with them will obviously be much more limited now. I'll probably see you at CARM sometimes if you choose not to stick around here.

 

[VictorC]

You're welcome to debate here or in General Theology. Not a lot of Traditional Adventists go to GT, though, so your opportunities to interact with them will obviously be much more limited now. I'll probably see you at CARM sometimes if you choose not to stick around here.

I believe my thoughts mimic BFA's - if, as you opine, the "traditional" SDA's don't frequent the general theology area, then having discussion so far away from them isn't going to incite very much interaction.

I have a post back yonder that I hope to hear from a moderator who isn't likely to post until this evening when she gets away from work. So I will keep my options open, but so far CF isn't offering an incentive to participate. Hi ho, hi ho, it's off to CARM I go...

Now for the funny part. Back yonder I think everyone knows the resident tyrant who was loudest in her desire to give every dissident the right boot of fellowship... I just read a post she wrote; she suddenly noticed it was... lonely.

I finally got my first report, BFA - and there's no way what I wrote could possibly be construed as vicious or violating any rules.

Victor

 

[Sophia7]

I believe my thoughts mimic BFA's - if, as you opine, the "traditional" SDA's don't frequent the general theology area, then having discussion so far away from them isn't going to incite very much interaction.

A few of them go there to defend Adventist beliefs.

So I will keep my options open, but so far CF isn't offering an incentive to participate. Hi ho, hi ho, it's off to CARM I go...

I understand, but there aren't many Traditional Adventists to discuss things with at CARM either.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

I understand, but there aren't many Traditional Adventists to discuss things with at CARM either.

I have to agree with you there. Although I really have no history to understand the issues here at CF, one might wonder why certain SDAs are so opposed to open dialogue. If a person has the truth, wouldn't it stand up to the light of day?

BFA

 

[VictorC]

I understand, but there aren't many Traditional Adventists to discuss things with at CARM either.

SDA participation is periodic, and I will definately grant you the few participants lately. However, I have checked on members lurking, and there are some worthwhile names reading what we post there.

A forum geared toward apologetics as its primary focus will push everyone against the wall for answers they need to find, if they don't have them. Sure, there are a couple of SDA pastors that that merely repeat the same thing over and over, but it does provide a fast learning curve. Publish or perish, kapish?

Victor

 

[VictorC]

I have to agree with you there. Although I really have no history to understand the issues here at CF, one might wonder why certain SDAs are so opposed to open dialogue. If a person has the truth, wouldn't it stand up to the light of day?

BFA

They inherited a neat package the a bow and tie and a label reading "Truth" all over it.
Once they find out the contents of that package are smelly and stale, and not compliant with the Bible, many shrivel and disappear (instead of desiring real answers).
I am in no way 'above' my own observation. My learning since joining CARM has caused me to change on some doctrines I previously held precious.

Victor

 

[Byfaithalone1]

They inherited a neat package the a bow and tie and a label reading "Truth" all over it.
Once they find out the contents of that package are smelly and stale, and not compliant with the Bible, many shrivel and disappear (instead of desiring real answers).
I am in no way 'above' my own observation. My learning since joining CARM has caused me to change on some doctrines I previously held precious.

Victor

I was once a pretty dogmatic person. I was cured of that when the Spirit guided me to Scripture after Scripture that convinced me in no uncertain terms that, on most of the subjects about which I was dogmatic, I was dead wrong. Although I absolutely believe there are truths, I am also fully aware of the ratio between God's wisdom and my own! I've been on a HUGE growth curve for the past 4 years and I'm still finding blind spots I didn't even know that I had. It is for that reason that I believe in the value of open dialogue.

BFA

 

[Sophia7]

I have to agree with you there. Although I really have no history to understand the issues here at CF, one might wonder why certain SDAs are so opposed to open dialogue. If a person has the truth, wouldn't it stand up to the light of day?

BFA

I would think so. Challenges to people's beliefs shouldn't be seen as threats. Truth will stand the test of investigation.

 

[Sophia7]

A forum geared toward apologetics as its primary focus will push everyone against the wall for answers they need to find, if they don't have them. Sure, there are a couple of SDA pastors that that merely repeat the same thing over and over, but it does provide a fast learning curve. Publish or perish, kapish?

Victor

True.

 

[Sophia7]

They inherited a neat package the a bow and tie and a label reading "Truth" all over it.
Once they find out the contents of that package are smelly and stale, and not compliant with the Bible, many shrivel and disappear (instead of desiring real answers).
I am in no way 'above' my own observation. My learning since joining CARM has caused me to change on some doctrines I previously held precious.

Victor

I was once a pretty dogmatic person. I was cured of that when the Spirit guided me to Scripture after Scripture that convinced me in no uncertain terms that, on most of the subjects about which I was dogmatic, I was dead wrong. Although I absolutely believe there are truths, I am also fully aware of the ratio between God's wisdom and my own! I've been on a HUGE growth curve for the past 4 years and I'm still finding blind spots I didn't even know that I had. It is for that reason that I believe in the value of open dialogue.

BFA

I used to debate in General Theology a lot when I first joined CF, when I still agreed with most Adventist doctrines (although I was never a Historic Adventist nor as Traditional as most of the Traditionals here). Talking to people from so many different churches and theological backgrounds really helped me to see the weaknesses in some of my arguments and caused me to rethink several things. I find value in discussing things both with people who disagree with me and with people who agree.

 

[StormyOne]

it is interesting that so many people are dogmatic regarding issues that they cannot ever prove.... as a 4th gen sda, I have from an early age asked difficult questions... never accepted the traditional answers and agree with the previous poster's comment that "truth" cannot be packaged and handed neatly from generation to generation...

 

[PROPHECYKID]

You're welcome to debate here or in General Theology. Not a lot of Traditional Adventists go to GT, though, so your opportunities to interact with them will obviously be much more limited now. I'll probably see you at CARM sometimes if you choose not to stick around here.

Well I live in General Theology.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

I have to agree with you there. Although I really have no history to understand the issues here at CF, one might wonder why certain SDAs are so opposed to open dialogue. If a person has the truth, wouldn't it stand up to the light of day?

BFA

Well I don't know either. If you have a message you claim as truth you should not be afraid to stand up for it or go around and spread it. That is why I am always in General Theology. When i first joined CF, i spent 3 days debating in the Lutheran Forum. But my personal opinion is that too many Adventist stay stagnant in their forum instead of going to other forums and trying to influence others.