WHAT IS THE REAL GOSPEL?

[John Mullally]

Actually John, nowhere in Acts 10 does it say unclean foods are now permitted. Here let's look at the detail and add the contexts back in.

I agree that the vision was primarily to lead Peter to preach to the Gentiles. Nevertheless, God did not tell a lie to get his point across.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I agree that the vision was primarily to lead Peter to preach to the Gentiles. Nevertheless, God did not tell a lie to get his point across.

No God does not lie John and God did not tell Peter that it was ok to eat unclean foods as you have tried to argue. God gave Peter the interpretation of the dream and told him not to consider Gentile believers unclean and this was the interpretation Peter got from His dream that God gave to him as shown in the scriptures.

 

[John Mullally]

No God does not lie and God did not tell Peter that it was ok to eat unclean foods as you have tried to argue. God gave Peter the interpretation of the dream and told him not to consider Gentile believers unclean and this was the interpretation Peter got from His dream that God gave to him as shown in the scriptures.

The scripture is very clear - you have to be religiously indoctrinated not to see it. This damages your credibility.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The scripture is very clear - you have to be religiously indoctrinated not to see it. This damages your credibility.

Not really John, I have only shared God's Word with you showing why I believe your claims are not true by showing scripture contexts that perhaps you may not have considered. This was only done out of love and friendship and as a help to our discussion nothing more. Of course you are free to believe as you wish and we will have to agree to disagree if your not able to address the posts and the scriptures that disagree with you here. Did you wish to discuss the OP now?

 

[John Mullally]

No God does not lie John and God did not tell Peter that it was ok to eat unclean foods as you have tried to argue.

Again re-read Acts 10 - this vision is in scripture. You are holding to an observation that is clearly contradicted. As you continue to opine against the details in Peter's trance that is in the Word of God and not contradicted, anything else you say is discredited.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Again re-read Acts 10 - this vision is in scripture. You are holding to an observation that is clearly contradicted. As you continue to opine against Peter's trance that is in the Word of God, anything else you say is discredited.

John this has already been addressed in detail showing that the scripture context does not agree with your interpretation of Peter's vision in post # 40 linked. All you are doing here is repeating yourself without addressing anything in the linked post shared with you so I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Did you have anything you would like to share in regards to the OP?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Again re-read Acts 10

John, I am more than happy to discuss Acts 10 further but until you show why you disagree with the scripture context provided in post # 40 linked that disagrees with you, I do not know why you disagree. This said I would prefer to discuss the OP here if that is ok. There is another thread on this subject here linked if your interested?

 

[John Mullally]

Are you really interested in Acts 10? Pointed question for you: Was the voice in Acts 10:13 and 10:15 from the Lord or not? I know that God does not lie. If it was a distortion why did God repeat it 3 times? Hard cranium?

Luke 16:10: He who is faithful in what is least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in what is least is unjust also in much.​

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Are you really interested in Acts 10? Pointed question for you: Was the voice in Act1 10:15 from the Lord or not?

Luke 16:10: He who is faithful in what is least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in what is least is unjust also in much.​

Yes it was a vision given by God. Here is a pointed question for you. What was the interpretation of the vision that God gave to Peter written in the scriptures in Acts of the Apostles 10:28?

Romans 3:4...let God be found true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy words, And mightest prevail when thou comest into judgment.

Can we please get back to the OP now John?

 

[HIM]

Are you really interested in Acts 10? Pointed question for you: Was the voice in Act1 10:15 from the Lord or not?

Luke 16:10: He who is faithful in what is least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in what is least is unjust also in much.​

Sure was. Did you ever notice that the Lord never mentioned cleansing the unclean only the common?
Here take a look. Please also take note of Peter's use of the word "or". This word makes a distinction between two things. Peter saw two types of creatures when he looked at the sheet. Common and unclean. And then as mention before. Our Lord only mentions cleansing the common . He never mentions cleansing the unclean.

Acts 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Acts 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Acts 10:16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

 

[John Mullally]

Yes it was a vision given by God. Here is a pointed question for you. What was the interpretation of the vision that God gave to Peter written in the scriptures in Acts of the Apostles 10:28?

Acts 10:13 & Acts 10:15 prove that no foods in the NT are unclean. Acts 10:28 and later verses show that many OT restrictions are not in play. My point exactly! Peter was free to enter a Gentile's home.

 

[John Mullally]

Sure was. Did you ever notice that the Lord never mentioned cleansing the unclean only the common?
Here take a look. Please also take note of Peter's use of the word "or". This word makes a distinction between two things. Peter saw two types of creatures when he looked at the sheet. Common and unclean. And then as mention before. Our Lord only mentions cleansing the common . He never mentions cleansing the unclean.

Acts 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Acts 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Acts 10:16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

The voice of the Lord said "Rise Peter kill and eat." There was no distinction as to which to eat: Common or Unclean! If only the common were "to eat", why are the unclean shown to Peter, just prior to "kill and eat"?

 

[Cormack]

For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
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The topic isn’t one I’ve got much of an investment in, but I’m curious how people in the chat who are still open to the idea of dietary restrictions (as a commandment) would understand the above material. Mark 7:19 ^^^^ for quick reading.

Hopefully a novel or careful take on the verse/chapter, not something I could just google myself.

 

[HIM]

THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL OR ANOTHER GOSPEL WHICH DO YOU FOLLOW?

Hi Guys,

The other thread seemed to have disappeared because of a technicality. Anyhow this is an undated version with some new questions for consideration.

In God's Word the bible speaks of the everlasting Gospel in Revelation 14:6 as part of the three angels messages as the last message of warning given to the world before the second coming and warns us about receiving "another gospel" preaching another Jesus or a false gospel that is not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ (false teachings) in 2 Corinthians 11:4; Galatians 1:6-7; Acts of the Apostles 20:29.

I think this topic is an important one for us to understand as it is written in the very Words of Jesus, that in the last days there will be many false teachers seeking to lead God's people away from the truth of God's Word *Matthew 24:24; 2 Peter 2:1-3.

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QUESTIONS FOR THIS OP (I will link my answers to these question back here to the OP when answered)

Q1. What is the true gospel? (linked)
Q2. Why has God given us His grace for? (linked)
Q3. What is sin (linked)
Q4. Can we receive God's salvation and grace if we do not know what sin is?
Q5. Does God's law lead us to God's Grace if so how it not why not?
Q6. Can we have Gods' grace without God's law?
Q7. What is the purpose of God's law (10 commandments) in the new covenant?

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What do you think dear friends. Are you following the everlasting gospel and where is it leading you? What therefore is the "another gospel" and where can it lead us?

Friendly discussion please.

God bless

Good evening LGW and happy Sabbath. Good thread.

May I ask a question?

Is God's grace also God's Gift?

 

[HIM]

The voice of the Lord said "Rise Peter kill and eat." There was no distinction as to which to eat: Common or Unclean! If only the common were "to eat", why are the unclean shown to Peter, just prior to "kill and eat"?

God said, "What I have cleansed call not common." No mention of the unclean only the common. We are not to assume or add what is not there my friend.

Two classes of animals. The unclean and the common. In Peter's mind he could not partake of anything on the sheet. The common animals where normally clean animals but Peter could not in his mind eat even them because they were ceremonially impure, common due to their brushing up against the unclean animals.


This was also an analogy of how Peter viewed people.

 

[HIM]

For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
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The topic isn’t one I’ve got much of an investment in, but I’m curious how people in the chat who are still open to the idea of dietary restrictions (as a commandment) would understand the above material. Mark 7:19 ^^^^ for quick reading.

Hopefully a novel or careful take on the verse/chapter, not something I could just google myself.

Where does it say Jesus declared all foods clean?
What is the subject that instigated the discourse in Mark 7?

Does context matter?

 

[Cormack]

Where does it say Jesus declared all foods clean?

The texts says Jesus declared all foods clean.

What is the subject that instigated the discourse in Mark 7?

From memory I believe the subject was about Christ’s followers not doing the ceremonial hand washing and the cup washing that the other leaders expected to be done.

Does context matter?

Context matters, my friend. Like I wrote earlier, zero vested interest, no side chosen, just curiosity.

I remember the verse having a very strong face value orientation towards all foods being declared clean, and if anyone feels the face values reading isn’t exactly correct, I’ve actually asked them to explain how they see and understand the material.

They can go verse, chapter or even wider. It’s up to them.

And I’d decided for myself whether their reading stood out as particularly strong afterwards.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Acts 10:13 & Acts 10:15 prove that no foods in the NT are unclean. Acts 10:28 and later verses show that many OT restrictions are not in play. My point exactly! Peter was free to enter a Gentile's home.

Not at all John. Entering a gentiles home and sharing the gospel is not saying all foods are now clean. The interpretation of the vision is given in Acts 10:28 to Peter where it is written

[28], And he said unto them, YOU KNOW THAT IT IS AN UNLAWFUL THING FOR A MAN THAT IS A JEW TO KEEP COMPANY, OR COME UNTO ONE OF ANOTHER NATION; BUT GOD HAS SHOWN ME THAT I SHOULD NOT CALL ANY MAN COMMON OR UNCLEAN

So the vision was not about saying that all foods are clean but that now all men are now clean and that the Believers can preach the Gospel to the Gentiles. This also agrees to context with two stories going on in parallel. One story with the Angel telling Cornelius to go and seek out Peter and Peter having the dream about clean and unclean animals and God giving him the meaning of the dream in v28 that the dream was about God no longer calling gentile believers unclean. Kind of not saying what you are at all is it John

Please keep to the OP now John.

 

[HIM]

The texts says Jesus declared all foods clean.

Where?

 

[Cormack]

Where?

For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)​

In the highlighted parenthetical note, presumably by Mark himself. Unless we question the integrity of the scriptures here.