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Returning in flaming fire to take VENGEANCE upon His ENNEMIES...NOT TO DESTROY THE EARTH BY FIRE ...
Jesus tell us what His Coming on the Earth will look like.
Matthew 24:27-31
27 For as the lightning cometh forth from the east, and is seen even unto the west; so shall be the coming of the Son of man.
28 Wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send forth his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Unfortunately we are back at the pre- v post thingWhat Paul WROTE IN 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 WILL HAPPEN UNTO THE COMING OF JESUS IN GLORY IN THE CLOUDS AFTER THE TRIBULATION.
Read carefully Matthew 24:29-31 >Jesus appear in the CLOUDS and the believers [elect]are gathered by the angels.
Unfortunately we are back at the pre- v post thing
It seems you are someone who will think about things instead of just rushing in . Consider some things,
There will be mortal humans giving birth to the people who populate the earth after the Great Trib, they are the ones who can be deceived by satan during the 1000 years; as the immortal cannot be deceived
Matt 24 is the most misstated chapter of the bible
Of all the mortals on earth during this time , those who reject Christ die , those who accept Christ will live ,
Just as in today there are people who accept Christ then turn to a life style that is not acceptable to God , God tells them to repent for if they do not repent they will be cast into outer darkness.
It is one thing to say they are Christian , but Christ says you have to live up to it as He says that there will be those that say 'we cast out demons in Your Name' Christ responds saying 'depart from me I never knew you;
If all who accept Christ during the Great Trib become immortal at Christ 2nd coming and those who reject Christ die at his return , who will be the ones that can be deceived by satan during the 1000 years ?
In Every case where God said he was going to bring disaster to earth He gave very explicit instruction on what to do to escape physical harm . Noah build an ark...Lot leave that city and don't look back for I will destroy that city ...every time there is very explicit instruction
Please provide scripture that God gave an explicit instruction on how to be protected through the Great Trib . God does not contradict Himself , God does not lie , God told us point blank he will remove us from the Great Trib
In order for the post-trib view is to be believed you must have scripture that plainly openly says that people that have accepted Christ as savoir BEFORE the Great Trib begins will go through it
Scripture does not say that at all anywhere in the bible .
It only references those who did not accept Christ as savoir until AFTER the Great Trib started , them being in it is what convinced them to accept Christ
If you can find scripture that states that people who have accepted Christ as savoir BEFORE the Great Trib begins will go through it , I want to see it
What kind of body those who will have eternal life will receive ?When we understand?
When Jesus Christ returns with the holy angels, its the final judgment, lake of fire, eternal life, "Eternal Kingdom Time"
There will be no earthly 1000 year kingdom, with mortal humans present, eternity has started
Will you disregard the very simple explanation of scripture as presented below?
1.) Will you deny "Eternal Life" is seen in verse 46?
2.) Will you deny those that obtained "Eternal Life", enter a kingdom in verse 34 thats "Eternal"?
Lets do a side by side comparison:Unfortunately we are back at the pre- v post thing
It seems you are someone who will think about things instead of just rushing in .
There is a whole lot more to it that just those scriptures and just seeing similarities does not prove an answer , that is like looking in a phone book and seeing the name John Smith 22 times and think it is 22 phone numbers for the same personLets do a side by side comparison:
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
Jesus come in the Clouds In The Air---at the sound of a trumpet----there is a gathering
Matthew 24:27-31
Jesus come in the Clouds In The Air---at the sound of a trumpet----there is a gathering.
Paul and Jesus talk about the same event who is tied to the Coming Of Jesus in the Clouds...AFTER THE TRIBULATION.
Most modern Christians do not understand the reason for a pretrib removal of the Church, as you are promoting.
The pre- trib harpazo is the most widely accepted and believed view of the rapture , it has only been in recent years that people have started acknowledging a post trib view simply because a teaching of it started happening by TV personalities who also supported the ' give $1000 to a preacher that asks for it and you will receive 100 fold return on investment bogus style preaching , that is not saying that view has not been around longer it just became popular by the same people who preaching other nonsense
Most believers don't want to waste their time trying to convince someone to believe any differently as it is not a salvation issue , all true believers will be caught up in a pre-trib rapture even you as long as you have accepted Christ as your personal Lord and savoir and have become born-again in spirit as Jesus taught . REGARDLESS of what people believe
I will show you , but the post will be long and explanatory,explaining details that some simply overlook or so much in a rush they don't really meditate on scripture to see what it really means and how it is being applied
There is a whole lot more to it that just those scriptures and just seeing similarities does not prove an answer , that is like looking in a phone book and seeing the name John Smith 22 times and think it is 22 phone numbers for the same person
Why don't you answer the questions asked of you?
1.- If all who accept Christ during the Great Trib become immortal at Christ 2nd coming and those who reject Christ die at his return , who will be the ones that can be deceived by satan during the 1000 years , you agree the 1000 years Christ is on earth , you agree that satan is locked in the abyss during that time , you agree that satan is released to deceive people -WHO ARE THOSE PEOPLE ?
Noah and his family have not been taken out of the Earth for protection and Loth and his family have not been taken out of the Earth for protection...2.In Every case where God said he was going to bring disaster to earth He gave very explicit instruction on what to do to escape physical harm . Noah build an ark...Lot leave that city and don't look back for I will destroy that city ...every time there is very explicit instruction
Where do you see God saying - Do this to receive protection from PHYSICAL HARM that can hurt you during the Great Trib ?
That will be the group in Israel called THE Woman who will flee in the wilderness Revelation 12:14 [Petra]...that will be under God's protection during the 42 months reign of the Beast .They will populate the Earth during the millennium as mortal humans....they will not be changed into immortality unto the Coming of Jesus.That is their descendants who will be deceived by Satan when Satan will be released ...
Noah and his family have not been taken out of the Earth for protection and Loth and his family have not been taken out of the Earth for protection...
As I said above the only ones that will be under DIRECT God's protection is the group called the WOMAN Revelation 12:14...and the 144,000 sealed of God mentioned in Revelation 7.
Revelation 12:14
14 And there were given to the woman the two wings of the great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness unto her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
IF you would understand what you read , I will break it down for you , but because it is necessary to break it down , it will be long , I don't have time tonight to do it , will doi t tomorrow night or SaturdayYou did not deal with the New Covenant.
You are attempting to ignore the New Covenant text that destroys your doctrine.
IF you would understand what you read , I will break it down for you , but because it is necessary to break it down , it will be long , I don't have time tonight to do it , will doi t tomorrow night or Saturday
It would be nice if you showed that experience level here in the forumI taught reading for a number of years.
I have never had any problem in the area of reading comprehension.
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The Millennium (also known as the Millennial Kingdom) is the 1,000-year reign of Jesus after the Tribulation and before all the people of the world are sent to either heaven or hell. Jesus will reign as king over Israel as well as all the nations of the world (Isaiah 2:4; 42:1). The world will live in peace (Isaiah 11:6–9; 32:18), Satan will be bound (Revelation 20:1–3), and, at the beginning, everyone will worship God (Isaiah 2:2–3). The purpose of the 1,000-year reign is to fulfill promises God made to the world that cannot be fulfilled while Satan is free and humans have political authority. Some of these promises, called covenants, were given specifically to Israel. Others were given to Jesus, the nations of the world, and creation. All of these will be fulfilled during Jesus’ 1,000-year reign.
The Palestinian Covenant, also called the Land Covenant (Deuteronomy 30:1-10)
God has already fulfilled the personal aspects of the Abrahamic Covenant; Abraham did go to the Promised Land, he did have many descendants, and he is the forefather of many nations. Several hundred years after Abraham, Joshua led the Israelites to claim ownership of the Promised Land. But Israel has never possessed the specific boundaries that God promised in Genesis 15:18–20 and Numbers 34:1-12. Not even Solomon ruled over this particular area (1 Kings 4:21–24). Although he did reign from the River of Egypt to the Euphrates, he did not hold the area from Mount Hor to Hazarenan (Numbers 34:7–9)—into present-day Lebanon and Syria. In addition, the covenant God made with Abraham was that he and his descendants would have the land for eternity (Genesis 13:15; 17:8; Ezekiel 16:60). The current Israeli state may be a step in this direction, but they still do not possess the boundaries God laid out.
The Davidic Covenant (2 Samuel 7)
God’s covenant with David was that his line would never die out and that David’s heir would sit on the throne of Israel forever (2 Samuel 7:16). Biblical scholars agree that Jesus is the fulfillment of this covenant—one of the reasons His genealogy is given for both His step-father (Matthew 1:1–17) and His mother (Luke 3:23–38). The Jews understood this when they laid down palm branches and their cloaks as Jesus rode into Jerusalem (Matthew 21:1–17). They expected Him to be a military/political leader that would liberate them from the Romans and make Israel a great nation again. But they didn’t understand the nature of Jesus’ work at the time was for the New Covenant, not the Davidic Covenant. The 1,000-year reign will be the beginning of Jesus’ eternal reign over Israel and the earth (Revelation 20:4, 6).
The New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34)
The work of the New Covenant—Jesus’ death and resurrection to reconcile hearts to God—has been accomplished. But we have not yet seen the complete fulfillment. Jeremiah 31:33 says, “But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.” Ezekiel 36:28 gives more specifics: “You shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers, and you shall be my people, and I will be your God.” Isaiah 59:20–21 explains that this covenant is possible because of the Redeemer, and the reconciliation He provides will last forever. This covenant does not mean that every Jew will be saved. But it does mean that Israel as a nation will worship their Messiah. The Old Testament prophets who spoke of this covenant, including Isaiah, Jeremiah, Hosea, and Ezekiel, all wrote that it will be fulfilled in the future. From their time on, Israel has yet to be an independent nation that worshiped its Messiah (Romans 9—11). They will be in the 1,000-year reign of Christ.
Other Promises
Those are the covenants God made with Israel that are to be fulfilled in Jesus’ 1,000-year reign, but the Bible lists other promises that will be fulfilled, too. God promised Jesus He will make His enemies a footstool, and that Jesus’ followers will worship Him freely (Psalm 100). God promised the nations of the world that they would live in peace with Jesus as their ruler (Daniel 7:11–14). And He promised creation that the curse would be lifted (Romans 8:18–23), animals and the earth would be restored to peace and prosperity (Isaiah 11:6–9; 32:13–15), and people would be freed from disease (Ezekiel 34:16). These, too, will be fulfilled during the 1,000-year reign.
The main purpose of Jesus’ 1,000-year reign is to fulfill the prophecies given to Israel and the promises made to Jesus, the nations, and the whole earth. God’s covenants were voluntary and one-sided. He promised He would bless Israel and restore the world in specific ways, and He will.
Recommended Resource: Thy Kingdom Come by J. Dwight Pentecost
Source: gotquetions.org
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Eternity has started in Matthew 25:46, the kingdom seen in verse 34 is eternal.What kind of body those who will have eternal life will receive ?
Eternity has started in Matthew 25:46, the kingdom seen in verse 34 is eternal.
The believer will have a body like Jesus Christ, immortal, eternal.
There will be no future 1000 year earthly kingdom.
When Jesus Returns, The Eternal Kingdom Begins.
Eternity has started in Matthew 25:46, the kingdom seen in verse 34 is eternal.
The believer will have a body like Jesus Christ, immortal, eternal.
There will be no future 1000 year earthly kingdom.
When Jesus Returns, The Eternal Kingdom Begins.
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