What is the proper Christian response to a homosexual?

[Pogue]

Homosexuals are abomination, and their attempt to convert others to their debauchery puts them on par with Satanists, and worse than murderers.

No gay person has ever tried to 'convert' me. The same can't be said for certain fundamentalist Christians.
In no way are homosexuals comparable to murderers. Even if you believed that they are sinful, I don't see the reasoning which leads you to put them on the same level as murderers.

 

[HexenHammer]

No gay person has ever tried to 'convert' me. The same can't be said for certain fundamentalist Christians.
In no way are homosexuals comparable to murderers. Even if you believed that they are sinful, I don't see the reasoning which leads you to put them on the same level as murderers.

WORSE than murderers... very few murderers are interested in encouraging others to be like them... yet homosexuals are constantly trying to sibvert social norms to make their practices "acceptible"... and once they are acceptible, they will attempt to lure more people to their depraved lifestyle.

 

[Pogue]

WORSE than murderers... very few murderers are interested in encouraging others to be like them... yet homosexuals are constantly trying to sibvert social norms to make their practices "acceptible"... and once they are acceptible, they will attempt to lure more people to their depraved lifestyle.

Still not seeing how that makes them worse than murderers.
Subverting social norms is not always a bad thing. It's what opponents of the slave trade did, for example. And I don't think gay people want others to be like them. They just want less of the hatred and bigotry, which seems entirely reasonable to me.

 

[DooWop48]

Homosexuals are abomination, and their attempt to convert others to their debauchery puts them on par with Satanists, and worse than murderers.

Sorry, but you are wrong. Homosexuals are NOT an abomination, but homosexuality is. There IS a difference. Romans 1:27, 28.

However, this does not answer the origianl question as posed by the OP, that being, how does the Christian respond to the homosexual. First of all, we must love them. They are. as we all are, a creation of the Lord God. Secondly, we must realize that they have fallen into sin--and not a sin any worse than any other.

The problem is that most homosexuals refuse to accept the fact that their lifestyle IS a sin. But they ARE people in need of salvation. And that is what we, as Christians, need to realize. Should we accept them into fellowship? No, not until they admit their sin.

 

[HexenHammer]

Subverting social norms is not always a bad thing.

It is if they're trying to make fudge packing acceptible.

It's what opponents of the slave trade did, for example.

Another example of mindless humanism run amok... the Bible APPROVES of keeping slaves... the only problem with the slave trade as you refer to it was its underlying racism.

And I don't think gay people want others to be like them.

Whatch "queer eye for the straight guy" sometime and tell me that

 

[HexenHammer]

However, this does not answer the origianl question as posed by the OP, that being, how does the Christian respond to the homosexual

The Bible is clear. The correct response to homosexuals is to stone them to death

 

[PinkTulip]

Interesting I always thought these issues were resolved in the NT, but after 2000 some years we still fight about. Acts 15 19-21

5Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses."


19"It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath."

28It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.


So it is obvious (except some people will disagree with me), that sexual immorality was referring to the Law as defined by the OT. Levitical Law (the Holy laws). if you do not agree with me, what other sexual sin laws were they referring to?

Does anyone have a response to this? This is the second time I have posted this issue to no avail

 

[DZoolander]

What is the proper Christian response to a homosexual?

"Good Day", "How are you?", "God Bless", and "Have a nice day."

Most likely he hasn't asked for your views on his sexual preference.

 

[SwordOfGod]

The problem is that most homosexuals refuse to accept the fact that their lifestyle IS a sin. But they ARE people in need of salvation. And that is what we, as Christians, need to realize. Should we accept them into fellowship? No, not until they admit their sin.

Firstly, You have no right to deny homosexuals fellowship in the church, you only have the right deny leadership to those who are living in sin. Secondly, you are apparently assuming that homosexuals are not saved, again you have no right to judge, the fact remains that before a homosexual realizes his or hers sexuality they could have been saved. Thirdly, you are not exempt from everyone else, please post evidence that homosexual activity is wrong.

 

[MyHeart07]

This thread makes me so sad...

Yes, homosexuality is a sin. So is lying, stealing, murder, envy, hate, etc. etc...

I've said before that if a homosexual walks into my congregation and goes up to my pastor (who is really cool by the way) and says "hey I'm gay and I don't want to change", he'll say "have a seat friend, and enjoy the service. You're among friends here."

Can we please just get along???

 

[BAFRIEND]

Actually I think it is you in denial. I would bet a large and significant number here both Gay and straight would agree that you come off as one who condemns. I would also find it difficult to believe that a gay person would have any relationship with you, once they hear your tone and attittude in regards to their humanity.

How do we go from a question being asked, someone giving an honest answer, and then that person being attacked on the merits of what I thought was an honest answer ?

pS- Let's not confuse humanity with sexuality.

 

[Der Alte]

OK... so lets do the Leviticus thing...

First... do YOU follow Levitical law?

Wrong answer! What I do or do not do is not relevant to my post. But I will give you the same answer I have posted to everyone else here spamming the world with your homosexual propaganda.

I obey as much of the law that is reiterated in the N.T. as binding on Christians. And I will point out once again as I posted above ALL, 100%, TOTAL, EXCLUDING NOTHING, homosexual copulation is condemned by both the O.T. and N.T. Now do you have any more irrelevant logical fallacy arguments?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

And I will point out once again as I posted above ALL, 100%, TOTAL, EXCLUDING NOTHING, homosexual copulation is condemned by both the O.T. and N.T.

No its not.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

spamming the world with your homosexual propaganda.

Um... person making baseless accusations say what?

 

[MyHeart07]

No its not.

YES it is!!!

 

[EnemyPartyII]

YES it is!!!

No its not.

There's Leviticus... which we can discard as being irrelevant...

Then there is Paul, who's writings are interpreted by many to be refering to specific groups, rather than homosexuals as a whole... and, more importantly... the writings of Paul are, as Paul says himself, just his opinion.

Now, if you find me a verse where JESUS says "homosexuality is bad"... then I'll agree with you that Giod condemns homosexuality. But, as it is, the evidence is purely circumstantial and depends more on pre existing beliefs than any objective reading of the relevant verses.

 

[MyHeart07]

Does God give His blessing to same-sex marriages anywhere in the Bible?

Is the idea of 2 people of the same gender engaging in sexual activity acceptable to you???

 

[David Brider]

Does God give His blessing to same-sex marriages anywhere in the Bible?

Is the idea of 2 people of the same gender engaging in sexual activity acceptable to you???

Frankly, given all the attrocities going on in the world - war, rape, murder, people starving or living in poverty, the human race destroying the environment, and general levels of intolerance and hatred and bigotry - what two people of the same gender get up to in their bedroom is really not something I'm desperately upset about.

And after prayerfully weighing up the scriptures - including those presented here - I'm not sure that God is too upset about it either.

David.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Does God give His blessing to same-sex marriages anywhere in the Bible?

Not specifically... but the fact he approves of two PEOPLE coming together, I think, speaks volumes.

Is the idea of 2 people of the same gender engaging in sexual activity acceptable to you???

Absolutely

 

[ChristianCenturion]

No its not.

There's Leviticus... which we can discard as being irrelevant...

Then there is Paul, who's writings are interpreted by many to be refering to specific groups, rather than homosexuals as a whole... and, more importantly... the writings of Paul are, as Paul says himself, just his opinion.

Now, if you find me a verse where JESUS says "homosexuality is bad"... then I'll agree with you that Giod condemns homosexuality. But, as it is, the evidence is purely circumstantial and depends more on pre existing beliefs than any objective reading of the relevant verses.

I don't know who you included in that 'we', but Leviticus is not discarded by Christians for being irrelevant; however, a few unknowledgeable people confuse (purposed or mistakenly) portions related to civil or ceremonial teaching with the moral laws.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09071a.htm

http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_df75se.htm

And only in specific areas would Paul be stating that an instruction is based on his judgment. It is shown in the text when done.

Likewise, the premise advanced in your post that presumes Jesus Christ's teachings do not coincide and co-exist with God's given word is only self-evident as to the flawed theology being grasped. The fact that Jesus repeatedly references the "pre existing beliefs" that was denounced with your wide-brush is simply showing the contradicting basis in your claims.

And to be absolutely clear, it would by your burden to show Jesus Christ ordained same-gender relations. Judeo/Christian teaching is consistent in showing that such behavior was punishable by death under the old covenant, repentance and forgiveness in His name is to be preached under the new covenant and in no context would that same-gender sexual/romantic model be ordained by God. All references to same-gender sexual behavior reflect God condemns it. All, not some, all and quite plainly.
This is the reason why, when repeatedly asked to substantiate the empty claims, assertions such as the ones you made above are continually void and impotent in fulfilling the request from Christian teaching.

There it is in a nutshell. And as I am reading the recent posts, I'll include that I would not anticipate me entering into that "yes it is", "no it isn't" pointless retort. All you need to do is show where God says homosexuality is part of His will for us and the issue gets resolved.